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    Holland - Bergen, WhtFem, 12-15, 'Het Heulmeisje', may be German, Oct'76

    The Netherlands

    Bizar Cold Case.

    A naked body of the woman was found on October 24, 1976 by ​​a forest ranger in the parking lot (Heul) along the highway A12. How she came there, is not known. It was clear that she was dead for several weeks to months. Research has shown that the girl between 15 and 18 years was when she died.


    The girl was buried in a tomb in Maarn. It was long thought that it was the remains of Monique Jacobse from Bilthoven. Jacobse disappeared in 1975 at the age of 18, after she had run away from home.
    Ten years later after skull investigation determined that the girl was Monique Jacobse . The grave tomb had her name and her family thought it was her.

    In 2006, the case took a bizarre turn when Jacobse was looking for contact with her sister. She told that she had left ,first to Germany and eventually, she emigrated to the U.S.. without contacting her family.
    After more than 30 years her family is reunited.

    Reconstruction

    End of 2006, a three-dimensional reconstruction of the head of the Heul Girl was made. This was previously done with the 'girl Nulde' and 'Maas Girl'. Both girls could be on the basis of the reconstruction identified.

    Today there will be a broadcast on Dutch tv : "Heul Girl 'Monique Jacobse get identity back."

    The cold case is re opened after recieving news tips/broadcast;

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    Reconstruction of the head of the Heul Meisje

    Vermist:
    Police Utrecht recieved after a broadcast of TROS Missing seven new tips about 'Heulstraat Girl', the young woman who in 1976 was found dead in the parking Heul But in Bergen. It is still not known who she was.

    Because one of the tips leads to Poland , the Polish television will soon pay attention to the matter, says a police spokesman.


    Opsporing Verzocht:
    After the AVRO program Investigation Requested (in 2012) had shown the reconstruction of the head,tips were coming in.
    An employee of the Utrecht police said that a Dutch taxi driver heard a conversation in which a man said he had slain the young woman and that she was from Essen (Germany). Also reported is a witness who said that,in the summer of 1976,when he was driving home from work,he had given a lift to the victim and her friend and dropped the two off one kilometer from the parking Heul in Maarsbergen. According to him, the young woman spoke German
    The tip did not lead to the identification of the murdered woman.


    Eiffel Girl

    A breakthrough came recently when researchers through a new method discovered that the girl is from Germany. Nature Researcher Laura Font Morales: "Based on what someone has eaten or drunk you can see where someone lived. Thus the relationship between certain atoms in the teeth of the girl was extremely low, allowing us to finally conclude that she is from the Eiffel in Germany. "
    The police thought for years from that it this was a woman from 15 to 20 years, but early this year was her age adjusted to 12 to 15 years. Possibly they never reported missing.

    To have something to say about the last months of her life analyzed Font Morales and Davies also the hair of the girl. The Heul Girl has in recent years a time lived in Eastern Europe, and has come to Western Europe at some point, the researchers discovered. , "How long they had been in Western Europe, we unfortunately do not know" Font Morales says, "because we do not know exactly to what extent they have cut that we have examined the hairs."
    Who has long hair herein houses a substantial part of its recent history. Hair grow on average an inch per month, twenty-four inches hair is so for two years of information. However, the last part is the closest to your scalp. "The further from there so the hair is cut, the less we know from recent history," said Davies. As the most advanced isotope method even change nothing.

    barred
    The arrest of the offender is not the first priority. "The case is barred in the Netherlands, so we hope that people will now mostly talk," said Jaap Spelt. "But if the perpetrator is a German, he still can be tried in Germany."


    http://www.eenvandaag.nl/binnenland/...aak_heulmeisje

    German link :
    http://www.duwirstvermisst.de/magic_...p?f=157&t=2863
    Last edited by worldwatcher; 05-22-2013 at 02:39 PM. Reason: Posting a link

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    A new article on the investigation into this case...

    http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive...6-murder-case/

    Police in two countries trawl DNA records to identify 1976 murder victim

    Police in the Netherlands and Germany are to carry out a search of DNA databases as they try to solve a 40-year-old murder case, Nos reported on Monday.

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    Wow. She really, really looks like my niece. (My niece is Dutch and lives in the Netherlands. And is current a teenager, so I know it's not her.) Except my niece has lighter hair. Going to ask around my husband's family now. I know a few of them lived in Germany in the 70's.

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    I think that they should check the border crossings records into the Netherlands around that time. If she came in legally there will be a record of it. Or they could query the IND ( Dutch immigration) and see if anyone came from the DDR matching her description at that time. ( I know she could be illegal, but we can't check that.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaraOwl View Post
    I think that they should check the border crossings records into the Netherlands around that time. If she came in legally there will be a record of it. Or they could query the IND ( Dutch immigration) and see if anyone came from the DDR matching her description at that time. ( I know she could be illegal, but we can't check that.)
    I doubt whether all persons crossing the border would be registered. There were border checkings until 1993 between the Netherlands and Germany, but given that for example the RAF terrorists could get into the Netherlands undetected I'm unsure persons crossing would all be registered. Even if this has been done I don't think there would be any records still in existence given the tighter EU personal data rights (compared to US) under which keeping data like this without a clear and necessary purpose this long would likely be illegal.

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    There is some new news in the case, both the Dutch and German police will be doing a DNA-relatives research. The DNA of Het Heulmeisje will be compared to Dutch and German criminal and missing person databases for people who could be a relative of the unidentified girl (source: http://nos.nl/artikel/2092648-dna-ve...meisje-is.html).

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    I know it's a long shot, but if she was a refugee from the ddr, she probably would have been registered. And as far as I know the ind doesn't have to destroy their records, but I can ask my mother in law, as she used to work for them as an immigration officer. It's definitely a long shot, but might give some kind off a lead.
    Quote Originally Posted by dutchhelp View Post
    I doubt whether all persons crossing the border would be registered. There were border checkings until 1993 between the Netherlands and Germany, but given that for example the RAF terrorists could get into the Netherlands undetected I'm unsure persons crossing would all be registered. Even if this has been done I don't think there would be any records still in existence given the tighter EU personal data rights (compared to US) under which keeping data like this without a clear and necessary purpose this long would likely be illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaraOwl View Post
    I know it's a long shot, but if she was a refugee from the ddr, she probably would have been registered. And as far as I know the ind doesn't have to destroy their records, but I can ask my mother in law, as she used to work for them as an immigration officer. It's definitely a long shot, but might give some kind off a lead.
    Those from the DDR or Eastern Europe being registered in West Germany would indeed be more likely. Given the isotope analysis pointing to a stay in Eastern Europe in the last years of her live, before living in the West German region of Eifel/Essen such a registration would indeed be a possibility if she was a legal immigrant (from the West German perspective).

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    Link to the Heul Girl's Doe Network profile: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases-int/577ufnet.html. Is there someone who can translate the most recent article into English?
    Who is Fly Creek Jane Doe?


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    Quote Originally Posted by theshadow45 View Post
    Link to the Heul Girl's Doe Network profile: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases-int/577ufnet.html. Is there someone who can translate the most recent article into English?
    Do you mean the translation of the German link I posted?

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    The case "Heulmeisje": after 40 years still no offender
    Dietmar Seher
    On 21 Oct. 2016 at 19:22
    A facial reconstruction shows how the "Heulmeisje" might have looked. A facial reconstruction shows how the "Heulmeisje" could have looked out.


    1976 murdered, never despised: the case of the "Heulmeisjes", the criminal police still busy decades. Traces lead to the Rhine and the Ruhr.
    Dusseldorf .. Cold Cases. Cold cases. Criminal policymakers call crimes unresolved throughout the world for decades. If, however, the fate of children remains uncertain, cold cases do not leave any detectives really cold. Until the retirement period, some people are pondering about the work that has not been completed, says Frank Scheulen from the State Criminal Police Office in Düsseldorf.
    563 Long-term missing is in North Rhine-Westphalia. Among them are 13 boys and girls, who were not even 14 years old when they disappeared. 20 years is the same as with Debbie Sassen in Düsseldorf and Tanja Mühlinghaus from Wuppertal. Scheulen can therefore understand why the Cold Case team of the Dutch police in Utrecht in one of its most mysterious events does not let loose. Even the German Federal Criminal Police Office in Wiesbaden is still ranking 25th in the current search list.
    A young girl has fallen victim to this murder, which happened 40 years ago. It was perhaps only 12 or 13 at his death. Nobody knows his name. Only the isotope analysis of his bones and teeth give a few indications of a possible origin. How, after such a long time, can the truth of the events come to light?

    A forester finds the corpse

    It is 1976. The A 12 motorway leads from the Rhine-Ruhr area via Arnhem and Utrecht directly to the North Sea. Between both Dutch cities lies in this time at Maarsbergen and in the direction of travel Germany the parking De Heul. On 24 October, a Sunday - in the old Federal Republic, Helmut Schmidt has just won the election and SchalkeAll news about Schalke 04 Bayern Munich beaten 7-0 - a ranger in the wooded environment of the park bays encounters a naked, half-decayed female corpse , It is under a leaf cover. After the location, it gets a name. Heulmeisje.
    The dead, making investigations, was teenager. The experts have not yet known the possibility of DNA testing. Science is not yet ready. But here, they believe, it could be Monique Jacobs from the neighboring town of Bilthoven. 1975 the 18-year-old disappeared from her parents' house. The missing case, though without a trace to the murderer, seems to be concluded. Family and friends will now believe for 30 years that it is Monique, who rests in the grave with the number 26 in the cemetery of Maarn.

    Who is the dead heulmeisie?

    "Misconductions" can exist in missing assets, assured the Düsseldorf-based LKA man Scheulen. Was it not so with the Austrian Natascha Kampusch? This is exactly what is happening in 2006 at Utrecht. Monique Jacobs, who is believed to be dead, lives. She comes by train from Germany, where she has led her own life. The background for their long descent is of a family nature. But who is in the grave 26? Who, for heaven's sake, is the dead Heulmeisje?
    Thirty years are a long time in the criminal investigation. Comparison of the genetic material in a DNA test has long been standard in 2006. The last hours of the Stone Age huntsman Ötzi have already been comprehended in 1991, as is the isotopic examination. In Utrecht and at the university in Amsterdam, where the bones of the murderer of 1976 were brought, criminalists such as Wim Perlot and researchers like Gareth Davies soon learn more. They read in the corpse as in a biography. Some tracks will lead to NRW.
    The girl, was younger than expected. She could be born between 1960 and 1964. She was 1.60 meters tall and slim. This results in the epiphysis examination of the bones. The young woman had long auburn hair and a light skin during her lifetime. In the lab reveal teeth and hair: Heulmeisje lived in the first seven years somewhere between Eifel and Ruhr. Groundwater lanes in the corpse, partly volcanic, confirm this. Around 1975 their life must have undergone a violent change. There is much evidence of a longer stay in Eastern Europe. She was back in Germany or the Netherlands just before her death. It was a time when her body was scarcely able to get proteins and meat. Perhaps she had suffered hunger, Professor Davies said. The signs of "extreme poverty" could have resulted from an abduction. Was Heulmeisje in the hands of the Eastern European Red Light Mafia?


    The suspects must be 70 or 80 old

    In Germany and the Netherlands, TV search broadcasts "xy unresolved" and "Obspor- ted cooking" have not just been reported once. The police officer Wim Perlot has been able to collect testimony. A car driver wants to take the young woman and a companion as a hitchhiker at the time of the event and have dropped out near the place of discovery: "They spoke German". A taxi driver remembers a passenger who was drunk and who wanted to know Heulmeisje or even killed him. She comes from Essen, he said. And in 2012 an informant has filed two men have thrown the lifeless body away. They were then 30 or 40 years old. This statement also highlights the BKA

    In the Netherlands the act is time-barred
    It is mid-2016, almost forty years after the sonorous discovery of the forester. None of the tracks has ever gotten really hot. In Utrecht they are playing their last card. The Dutch police compare the DNA of families of missing children with the genotype of the corpse in German files. This is a legally difficult issue in the United Europe. It is not finished. The Landeskriminalamt currently only confirms that in NRW no hit had been achieved. Maybe elsewhere in Germany? The wasting time is eating the odds. But policemen do not like it when cases with children remain without education.
    In the Netherlands the act is time-barred. In Germany, murder is not punishable. The hunt goes on.

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    https://www.derwesten.de/wochenende/...d12295683.html
    Tried to translate it as good as possible but not very easy from a tablet

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    Anyway I was looking at some old newsitems about the Heulmeisje and after a broadcast on the Dutch tv (a while ago) some tips came in with possible names of girls who vanished during that time in Germany,not much information seems to be avaible about the missing around that time...
    http://www.duwirstvermisst.de/viewforum.php?f=7

    I do think no leads panned out because its way over a year ago that tips came in and now hopefully a new DNA search will give her an indentity back

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    There's something I don't understand from this and other articles, when it mentions the case is barred is there a stature of limitations on murder in The Netherlands or is it for the manner in which her body was disposed of if they were unable to determine cause of death?
    Who is Fly Creek Jane Doe?

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