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  1. #1
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    1 child killed after gravel slide at Minn. park

    Seems like it never ends.

    Authorities say one child is dead and another is still missing after a gravel slide at a St. Paul park Wednesday.

    Two children were rescued and taken to the hospital, officials said.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...slide/2352275/
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    I am very familiar with Lilydale Park, located along the Mississippi River in St. Paul. The accident site is an abandoned brickyard, but it is not isolated and is used for fossil hunting, as well as ice climbing. The students were walking along the bluffs when the slide occurred, burying 4. Searchers have not yet, as of this a.m., recovered the last child.

    Lilydale Park was once a sort of shame to St. Paul but has recently been renovated with more upgrading planned. The city was not negligent nor were teachers who took students to look for fossils. Because fossils are exposed, the area is well-used by several schools for field trips. This was just a sad and unfortunate act of nature.

    Below is a website to show the popularity of fossil hunting in the park. There are also a few photos.

    http://www.sciencebuzz.org/blog/foss...-lilydale-here
    Last edited by Trino; 05-23-2013 at 07:59 AM.

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    From Trino’s link: http://www.sciencebuzz.org/blog/foss...-lilydale-here

    Sort of ominous this:

    The attached photo shows a wider view of it and in the upper right you can see the top of the house whose property line seems doomed to one day become part of the west clay pit.
    bbm

    and this:

    The trilobite fossils featured in this post were found in a slumped pile of clay that, sometime during the winter, had fallen from higher up in the rock column. We just happened to be the first to explore it.
    bbm


    It seems rock slides are both expected and common.

    imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade View Post
    From Trino’s link: http://www.sciencebuzz.org/blog/foss...-lilydale-here

    Sort of ominous this:

    bbm

    and this:

    bbm


    It seems rock slides are both expected and common.

    imo
    Oh my goodness! That was posted 3 days ago. Ominous is right!

    The information contained in the maps below are my interpretation of locations, based on MSM and input from others. They are meant solely as a guide and are not to be taken as fact.

    Possible Victims of Lloyd Lee Welch Jr ~ https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...01105,0.019634

    Elizabeth Collins & Lyric Cook ~ https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...406effc9c7306f

    Holly Bobo ~ https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...184749,0.31414

    Kyron Horman ~ https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?m...kQ&usp=sharing

    Relisha Rudd ~ https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...3bc4b55d&msa=0

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    The information contained in the maps below are my interpretation of locations, based on MSM and input from others. They are meant solely as a guide and are not to be taken as fact.

    Possible Victims of Lloyd Lee Welch Jr ~ https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...01105,0.019634

    Elizabeth Collins & Lyric Cook ~ https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...406effc9c7306f

    Holly Bobo ~ https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...184749,0.31414

    Kyron Horman ~ https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?m...kQ&usp=sharing

    Relisha Rudd ~ https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...3bc4b55d&msa=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollye View Post
    Oh my goodness! That was posted 3 days ago. Ominous is right!
    No. This was posted in 2011.

    Here's more local info:

    "On Thursday, St. Paul police spokesman Howie Padilla said it's now believed that the landslide came from above where the students were walking. Authorities initially thought that the ground, which was saturated by persistent rain, gave way from underneath them."

    We have had 6 days of continuous rain - unusual.

    There are homes on the bluff behind the park, but they have been there for years - almost all older homes. In fact, there are many homes along the Mississippi River bluffs; there are condos upstream that have been constructed in the last 5 yrs and more being built.

    This is not a dangerous, isolated area. The park is across the river from downtown St. Paul and is well-used. In fact, there are many science fossil-hunting field trips scheduled with the St. Paul Parks. Lilydale Park has a paved bicycle trail through it, and there is also a paved road, plus a paved parking lot at Pickrell Lake (fishing). At one end of the park is the Lilydale Yacht Club; at the other end is Harriet Island Pavillion and a bridge to downtown St. Paul. Unfortunately, the media made the accident site appear isolated because trails to the fossil sites (unpaved) are meant for foot traffic; getting vehicles there is difficult.

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    UPDATE: Body of missing child in St. Paul landslide found

    Authorities in St. Paul say they've recovered the body of a child missing since a rockslide killed a classmate and left two others injured at a park along the Mississippi River.

    Assistant Fire Chief Jim Smith tells reporters that crews found the body of the missing child late Thursday morning.
    http://www.wqow.com/story/22399061/2...paul-landslide

    The information contained in the maps below are my interpretation of locations, based on MSM and input from others. They are meant solely as a guide and are not to be taken as fact.

    Possible Victims of Lloyd Lee Welch Jr ~ https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...01105,0.019634

    Elizabeth Collins & Lyric Cook ~ https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...406effc9c7306f

    Holly Bobo ~ https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...184749,0.31414

    Kyron Horman ~ https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?m...kQ&usp=sharing

    Relisha Rudd ~ https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...3bc4b55d&msa=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trino View Post
    No. This was posted in 2011.
    The article was posted in 2011, but the comment about the house's property line being doomed to become part of the west clay pit was posted on Mon, 05/20/2013 - 12:04pm.

    http://www.sciencebuzz.org/blog/foss...-lilydale-here

    It is the last comment at the bottom of the article with an additional photo.

    The information contained in the maps below are my interpretation of locations, based on MSM and input from others. They are meant solely as a guide and are not to be taken as fact.

    Possible Victims of Lloyd Lee Welch Jr ~ https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...01105,0.019634

    Elizabeth Collins & Lyric Cook ~ https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...406effc9c7306f

    Holly Bobo ~ https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...184749,0.31414

    Kyron Horman ~ https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?m...kQ&usp=sharing

    Relisha Rudd ~ https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...3bc4b55d&msa=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollye View Post
    The article was posted in 2011, but the comment about the house's property line being doomed to become part of the west clay pit was posted on Mon, 05/20/2013 - 12:04pm.

    http://www.sciencebuzz.org/blog/foss...-lilydale-here

    It is the last comment at the bottom of the article with an additional photo.
    The author mentions the West Clay Pit. There are 3: East, Middle, and West. I don't really know where the collapse was.

    Also, if you search for articles, you may find some media calling the area West St.Paul. The accident side is not in West St.Paul, which is a completely different city. The accident happened on what is called the West Side of St. Paul. (Yes. I know the West Side is south of downtown St.Paul and not west at all, but that's another story.)
    Last edited by Trino; 05-23-2013 at 05:02 PM.

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    The collapse was at the East Clay Pit, not the pit referenced and pictured from my previous post. The pits are all closed until an assessment of future danger can be made.

    More info:
    http://www.twincities.com/localnews/...-mudslide-that




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