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    Motive: The Truck

    Use this thread to hash out your ideas about the truck, and whether stealing it was the motive for the crime. The post I've copied here provides a good starting point.
    Last edited by bessie; 05-24-2013 at 11:00 AM.

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    Hey All, New here but have been following the case since it started and have been reading these treads almost non stop since yesterday and just got around now to registering. After reading most of the posts I thought I would share some info about the truck it self that may be of interest to some, I am a Dodge (Cummins Diesel) nut and know pretty much everything about them from 1989 when the Cummins diesel was first shoe horned under the hood right up to the current models which I actually just bought a few months ago.

    Unlike any other make or model of truck these Cummin's powered trucks are different in that there are major motor changes in certain half years which can, and does make them very desirable. Here is a run down of some changes thru the years

    1989-was the introduction of the 5.9L Cummins to the Dodge Trucks
    1993.5 was the intro introduction to inline "P-pump" (diesel injection pump and is the most desirable of all the fuel systems)(this change was do to the EPA for emissions requirements)
    1994 was the introduction of the new body style 2nd Generation trucks which still ran the "P-Pump" until 1998
    1998-the body style stayed the same but they introduced the Quad Cab (4 doors instead of 2) This is the most rare of all Dodge Cummins trucks having the "quad cab" and the P-Pump and if you are lucky enough to have a 5 speed manual truck, that truck is known to all diesel nuts as the "holly grail" as the horsepower was increased for that 1/2 a year if it had a 5-speed manual transmission.
    1998.5 was the introduction of a very undesirable injection pump called the VP44)(this change was do to the EPA for emissions requirements) the truck still had the 2nd Generation body
    2003- was the change to the 3rd Generation body (the style of TB's truck) and again due to emissions changes the motor had a fuel system change to a "common rail, high pressure injection system. (there was issues in the first few model years of this generation with the drivetrain not holding up to the power of the motor and the later years are by far the most desirable)
    2007.5-although the truck still had the 3rd Generation body, the entire motor was changed to something all new due to emission changes yet again. This new motor was the 6.7L Cummins Turbo diesel and had MANY MANY issues of the motor because of the emissions equipment of the truck and is probably the least desirable Cummins powered dodge trucks of all time.
    2010-brought the current 4th Generation body style and a very revamped fuel/emissions system.

    I am almost 100% sure that TB's truck was a 5.9L Cummins Diesel Powered 2007 Dodge just by the looks of the decals and minor appearance tweaks that were made that half year. That would make TB's truck one of the most desirable of all Cummins powered trucks due to the lack of emissions and if by chance his truck was a 6-speed manual transmission truck...it would be even more rare and even more desirable.
    As soon as I heard the news about TB going missing and hearing the circumstances I honestly believed that his truck was stolen and was either being shipped to Europe or to Australia (every time I have put one of these Dodge Cummins trucks on Auto Trader I have received more calls from those to continents than I did from all of Ontario! and it is very well known that there is a HUGE theft ring of these trucks being stolen and shipped overseas and even more for the most desirable trucks such as those 1998 trucks or the 2007 trucks! I have heard of people paying 100k for these trucks in Europe and even more in Australia.....I still have a hunch that DM quite easily could have had connections in those rings and being a "Cummins guy" him self (his red truck was a 5.9 Cummins) he would know a thing or two about them. It is quite possible that the other truck DM and MS took for the test drive the day before was non a 2007 but a 2007.5 (the LE did say that the previous test drive was a newer model!) and if that truck wasn't on there hit list than it was no use going any further with it and they started to look elsewhere!

    I am sure if this theory was true they had a chance to make some major fast money and would only have had to get TB out of the truck and a quick short trip to the container loading docks along the lake....TB being the guy he was and taking pride of his belongings probably put up a fight and that's where he met his fate.

    As far as a few other answers to a few posts on here....
    -These dodge trucks only have a bench seat in the rear...no bucket seats although the seat does flip up giving access to storage under the seat.

    -As far as the incinerator goes...although it would need power to run the blowers and thermostat, the amount of watt's required to run it would be very minimal and there are VERY VERY quite gas generators available such as ones you will see RV's having that make next to no noise. With this combination, you would have a hard time hearing it run from even a few hundred feet away...put a wooded area into the mix and that distance would become even shorter!

    Thanks for all the great info previous to this and lets hope an end to this madness happens soon and all those involved are behind bars!

    RyeGuy#1

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    About the ads of the truck.

    It is known that there were two ads: at Kijiji and Auto Trader. The police informed that the ad was palce on Kijiji on April 28 ( Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Canada -Timothy Bosma, 32, Hamilton Ontario, 6 May 2013 - #1 ).

    Looking through Google search for a link to the truck, I came that the truck was advertised already on April 15. Google search terms: "2007 Dodge Power Ram 3500 Pickup Truck hamilton"

    2007 Dodge Power Ram 3500 Pickup Truck ... - Hamilton - Kijiji
    hamilton.kijiji.ca › Hamilton › cars & vehicles › cars & trucks‎
    Apr 28, 2013 – 5.9 litre. short box, extended cab. gray cloth interior. new, upgraded transmission. new brakes. no longer need as also selling camper. mostly ...


    2007 Dodge Power Ram 3500 Pickup Truck ... - Hamilton - Kijiji
    hamilton.kijiji.ca › Hamilton › cars & vehicles › cars & trucks‎
    Apr 15, 2013 – 5.9l diesel, extended cab short box dutchman camper for sale as well $6200. Read & reply to this Hamilton classified ad free.


    Both ads are gone now and not cached.

    There is a Toronto truck too:
    "2007 Dodge Power Ram 3500 Pickup Truck - City of ... - Kijiji Ontario
    ontario.kijiji.ca › ... › City of Toronto › cars & vehicles › cars & trucks‎
    Apr 21, 2013 – this is a very straight forward truck clean and perfect condition brand new myers power angle v plow new transmission new tires. will consider ..."
    Last edited by OkieGranny; 02-24-2016 at 04:57 AM. Reason: broken link

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    There is other cached webpage which gives an idea about the mileage of the truck. It has "POLICE NEED YOUR HELP LOCATING THIS MAN AND TRUCK AND !!!" too.

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=ca


    2007 Dodge Power Ram 3500 Pickup Truck
    5.9 litre. Short box, extended cab. Gray cloth interior. New, upgraded transmission. New brakes. No longer need as also selling camper. Mostly highway kilometers, daily driver.
    170000 km | Automatic


    Asking price was 24 000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canadiangirl View Post
    Not for me it doesnt. I dont know how to do a screen shot or I would!
    Is it empty for anyone else?

    Mine even shows pics
    I also found the same cached version of the ad, and mine comes up looking the same as the link you posted (pics and all).

    This is interesting, as I'd never seen the Kijiji ad before. There was some question in another thread whether TB had his phone number accessible in the Kijiji ad. In the cached ad from April 16th, no phone number is listed. Unknown whether he did put it into the April 28th ad.

    Kijiji has stated that no one replied to his April 28th ad, but what about the April 16th ad? And if TB put his cell phone # on the April 28th ad, Kijiji would have no way of knowing whether anyone called him as the phone number can be clicked and accessed from the ad page. (Doesn't require filling in any info or requesting the number.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by canadiangirl View Post
    This was my google search and it's the very first hit
    Clicked on cache and the ad is there.

    2007 dodge power ram 3500 pickup truck hamilton kijiji
    Here's the screen shot...



    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=ca
    Last edited by Kamille; 05-24-2013 at 03:14 PM. Reason: better screen shot

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    So, it is possible that the 5.9 Cummins was what they were looking for in a Dodge Ram, based on the amount of "test drives" that we know about. DM probably had a Cummins in his red Ram, according to RyeGuy's observations. If this is the case, and we know that the truck was valued over its owner because it was secreted away inside the accused's trailer while the owner suffered death and the indignity of being burnt, then it appears that the truck was the motive for all of this.

    Was it matter of spare parts or engine swapping? Also, who's expert enough to illuminate everyone on how jet fuel can be used in a diesel engine? If DM had been using jet fuel in his red Ram, without the precaution of adding lube due to the drier fuel, did he need another engine?

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    a picture of the truck from the ad


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    Quote Originally Posted by meadsipper View Post
    So, it is possible that the 5.9 Cummins was what they were looking for in a Dodge Ram, based on the amount of "test drives" that we know about. DM probably had a Cummins in his red Ram, according to RyeGuy's observations. If this is the case, and we know that the truck was valued over its owner because it was secreted away inside the accused's trailer while the owner suffered death and the indignity of being burnt, then it appears that the truck was the motive for all of this.

    Was it matter of spare parts or engine swapping? Also, who's expert enough to illuminate everyone on how jet fuel can be used in a diesel engine? If DM had been using jet fuel in his red Ram, without the precaution of adding lube due to the drier fuel, did he need another engine?
    I pulled this directly from WikipediaJet Fuel)

    Jet fuel is very similar to diesel fuel, and in some cases, may be burned in diesel engines.

    Jet fuel is often used in ground support vehicles at airports, instead of diesel.

    However, jet fuel tends to have poor lubricating ability in comparison to diesel, thereby increasing wear on fuel pumps and other related engine parts.[citation needed] Civilian vehicles tend to disallow its use, or require that an additive be mixed with the jet fuel to restore its lubricity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by axe2grind View Post
    I pulled this directly from WikipediaJet Fuel)

    Jet fuel is very similar to diesel fuel, and in some cases, may be burned in diesel engines.

    Jet fuel is often used in ground support vehicles at airports, instead of diesel.

    However, jet fuel tends to have poor lubricating ability in comparison to diesel, thereby increasing wear on fuel pumps and other related engine parts.[citation needed] Civilian vehicles tend to disallow its use, or require that an additive be mixed with the jet fuel to restore its lubricity.
    Exactly.

    I think he was looking at swapping out his Cummins for one without the wear. The fact that the tranny in Tim's Ram was "new, with upgrades" was a bonus. If DM was using the jet fuel, without the lube additive, he probably dorked it.

    If Tim were still alive, and the incident didn't involve his death, Dellen Millard would be in possession of a truck he so very much needed.

    It's that simple.


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    Here is a link to another article related to the theft of Dodge diesels, for the reason of obtaining the catalytic converter:

    http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...NEWS/212090328

    If a thief needs the part, the end justifies the means.

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    How carjackers choose their victims:

    They tend to choose dark areas where there are not a lot of people.
    They look for someone who is an easy target.
    They look for individuals who seem weaker than they are, or who will not fight.
    BBM

    http://www.lawfirms.com/resources/cr...statistics.htm

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    Canadian carjackings can end in death:

    Two teenaged girls who pleaded guilty to manslaughter and car theft in a botched carjacking that left a woman decapitated a last year have been sentenced to 2 years in custody plus one year conditional supervision in the community.
    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/teens-jaile...223518637.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by meadsipper View Post
    Exactly.

    I think he was looking at swapping out his Cummins for one without the wear. The fact that the tranny in Tim's Ram was "new, with upgrades" was a bonus. If DM was using the jet fuel, without the lube additive, he probably dorked it.

    If Tim were still alive, and the incident didn't involve his death, Dellen Millard would be in possession of a truck he so very much needed.

    It's that simple.
    He bought a $650,000 condo the next day. Couldn't he have just bought the truck??? This makes no sense to me.

    moo

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    Quote Originally Posted by meadsipper View Post
    Here is a link to another article related to the theft of Dodge diesels, for the reason of obtaining the catalytic converter:

    http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...NEWS/212090328

    If a thief needs the part, the end justifies the means.
    DM didn't need to steal it. Couldn't he have just bought it?

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