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    Zimmerman Real Time Trial Thread Only *NO DISCUSSION* 06/28/2013

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    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213157"]George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


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    Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 1m
    Next witness: Greg McKinney of U.S. Security Alliance. Video surveillance company based in Tampa. #GeorgeZimmerman #TrayvonMartin
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Sidebar over. #zimmermantrial

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 6m
    Judge arrives. Back on session. And as usual the attys begin day in sidebar.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 9m
    Defense attorneys have arrived. #zimmerman

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 11m
    And we're back live in the courtroom. Just awaiting the judge. #Zimmerman is seated and the prosecutors. No defense attys yet.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 58m
    Full morning primer: #Zimmerman trial over teen's death enters 5th day http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-tria...094446052.html … #trayvonmartin


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    Rene Stutzman ‏@renestutzman 3m
    Judge having a tiny bit of fun. To this 9-member jury with one man: "Good morning ladies and gentleman." #Trayvon, #Zimmerman.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 3m
    Next witness is Greg McKinney, from United Security Alliance. His company has 9 surveillance cameras at Retreat at Twin Lakes
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    McKinney testifies that gate surveillance camera at Retreat at Twin Lakes wasn't functioning night of shooting. Clubhouse camera was.

    He said it looked like a lawn mower had run over them..attorneys looking at something on computer.

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    Judge asking defense if there are any objections, no.

    Mantei on direct to McKinney...he wants to talk about 2 cameras in particular.
    Looking a arial view of clubhouse. McKinney says one camera in kitchen faces toward front, Retread View street. East cam faces mailbox. One camera in hall faces front door. Plays tape for a while.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 6m
    McKinney says time stamps in video are 18 min slow. Says that there are internal and external cameras of Retreat clubhouse.

    O'Mara on cross...had he been to area before today? Last night, at request of state to get familiar with it. Asked about the 18 min. No further. Witness excused.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 48s
    McKinney is done. Next state witness is John Good. Another neighbor whose town home was near shooting scene. #Zimmerman

    de la Rionda doing direct.

    He no longer lives there, graduate of FSU.

    Asking questions about location of apt. and blinds on porch, always closed, including over sliding glass door.
    What was he and wife doing that night? watching tv...did hear noices outside? yes, coming from back yard, doesn't know direction, was faint noise.

    2nd time was louder, could not tell if 1 or 2 individuals, he got up went to sliding door and peaked through blinds (vertical), looked like someone or something out there. Wife him not to go outside, he opened blinds and door. (laughter) Wife was on phone. He took one step outside, looked like a tussle, thought might be a dog attack. They were vertical to him, he yelled out what's going on, stop it. Took a few seconds. The 2 did not say anything then.

    He could tell there were 2 people not on sidewalk, seconds later the 2 people changed position and he could tell the person on bottom had lighter skin color, face up and person on top straddling them. Then thought it was serious.
    Person on top striking person on bottom, did not hear any loud strike. He hollered out to them, cut it out, heard a 'help', not sure which person it was. Just one 'help'. Then they moved up on the sidewalk. He said, I'm calling 911.

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    John Good, direct:

    When you stepped out did you see anyone else outside (besides the 2)? didn't notice.

    Playing his 911 call...shot has just happened...says, oh my God, operator says others are calling, someone will be out. He sees flashlights.

    Person on bottom not moving, darker skin..goes to picture of where his unit was and his backyard. Was dark and wet outside, raining off and on.

    Did you see the person on top slamming the person on bottom into the concrete? no

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Good call was right after gunshot. #zimmerman

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    De la Rionda is about to play Good 911 call.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Jury is taking lots if notes as Good describes what he saw if struggle b/t #zimmerman and #trayvonmartin

    Alisia Adamson Alisia Adamson ‏@AlisiaEsq 12m
    Good saw a tussle outside of his house and yelled stop. #GeorgeZimmerman #TrayvonMartin

    Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 4m
    Good says he didn't see anyone's head being slammed into the concrete.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

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    John Good: When you went inside to call 911, did hear any more noises, no was quiet.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Even in moments of levity that elicit laughter by jurors/gallery, #trayvonmartin parents always remain stoic, looking straight ahead.

    Had been 2, maybe 3, calls for help. All from same voice.
    Direct over.

    OM asks if break needed, judge asks, nobody says yes, he asks for a couple of minutes.

    OM on cross.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    #Zimmerman trial over teen's death enters 5th day (from @AP) #trayvonmartin http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/con...tguid=3cn1xpgT

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    OM cross of John Good:

    Going over what he said about hearing noises and going out to sliding door. When you first looked out at 2nd noise what did you see? couldn't tell, reason he opened door and took a look.

    Can he agree that vertical means they were standing up? yes
    Horizontal means they were laying down? yes

    They were laying on the ground, backwards toward me, but facing downward. Then they went to sidewalk. Person on bottom still downward, and other straddling him. OM demonstrates, he agrees. They were on the cement at the time. 10secs., so quick all happened.

    Tell me about the struggle..when he walked out, only saw one person, then saw 2 people and arms moving but could not tell if strikes, then moved to sidewalk, and person on top straddling. He thought person on top was 'ground and pounding' person on bottom. Top position is the dominant position. He now knows this was TM. Saw them from side, when he saw arms going downward and knew serious and went to call 911.

    Do you think person on bottom was the one yelling for help? That is logical to me.

    Kelli Cook ‏@TVKelliC 5m
    Mark Omara physically getting on the floor in the courtroom to show how the fight happened. #Zimmerman #TrayvonMartin
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    More human demonstration as O'Mara tries to nail down the body positioning. Good declines to participate/demo himself.

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    OM asking Good if he knows what sound of striking sounds like, not exactly. Can't say exactly who was screaming.

    He can't say that TM was taking GZs head an striking it on the sidewalk because he did not see that? yes

    Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 8m
    O'Mara: You described position as MMA-style "ground and pound?" Good: "That's what it looked like, yes." #GeorgeZimmerman #TrayvonMartin
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Yamiche Alcindor Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 8m
    Good: People went from laying on top of each other in grass to one person straddling the other on the concrete. Same person on top remained

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Good says he can't be 100 percent sure he saw #trayvonmartin striking #zimmerman

    OM playing the 911 call again. Can hear screaming and gun shot.


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    OM to Good:

    Not 100% who was doing yelling for help, sounded like the person on bottom.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    #trayvonmartin mother @Sybrinafulton stays in courtroom this time as 911 call with screams/gunshot is replayed. So does @BTraymartin9

    Was not 2 voices yelling, not that he personally heard. Person on top, he IDs as TM, did not stop what he was doing when he called out for them to stop. Did GZ have a gun? not that he saw....he didn't watch long enough to see if GZ was trying to get up.

    (as usual defense going back and forth in story and trying to get witness confused...not working with this one)

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Neighbor testifies about Martin-#Zimmerman fight (from @AP) #trayvonmartin http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/con...tguid=3cn1xpgT

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    The defense is showing Good the photo of Martin in 7/11 and Good said that was the person on top. #Zimmermanon9

    3m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good looked at a photo of #Zimmermanon9 in a red jacket and said that could have been the color he saw on the bottom.. Red or white.

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good says his account has been consistent.. From the beginning. #Zimmermanon9

    3m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good says he believes all the screams were coming from #Zimmermanon9

    6m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good says when he told them to stop Martin did not stop and did not acknowledge him or turn around. #Zimmermanon9

    12m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good had the best view of the struggle of any witnesses so far. #Zimmermanon9

    14m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Because of the direction of the screams and common sense that the one pinned to the ground would be screaming. 2/2 #Zimmermano9

    15m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good says Martin was on top straddling #Zimmermanon9 and saw Martin's arms moving downward. He believes Zimmerman called for help1/2

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    RT @WFTV: UPDATE: #Zimmerman neighbor shakes head as 911 call played in court http://at.wftv.com/13bVnbh #zimmermanon9 pic.twitter.com/BRghBbxxay

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good described it as a "ground and pound" with the person on top in the dominant position. #Zimmermanon9

    25m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    The jurors took note of that. #Zimmermanon9

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    On top with dark clothing then straddled the one on his back on the sidewalk. 2/2 #Zimmermanon9

    26m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good says when he first saw them they were laying on top if one another. When they got to the sidewalk he says the one 1/2 #Zimmermanon9

    31m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    There are a couple of empty seats in the public seating area. #Zimmermanon9

    34m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Defense is now questioning John Good. He says he did not want to be involved and was hoping to be anonymous. #Zimmermanon9

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    Direct by state

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good says he was not focusing on later calls for help because he was focused on calling 911 at that point. #Zimmermanon9


    38m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good says he heard the gunshot while he was on the line waiting for 911 call to be answered. #Zimmermanon9

    42m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda imitated a punch and a slam and asked if Good heard either and he said no. #Zimmermanon9

    45m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good did not hear the loud screams for help that were recorded on another 911 call. #Zimmermanon9

    45m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good said he never saw the person on bottom having his head slammed on the ground. #Zimmermanon9

    46m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good described the position of person top and the action of the arms as mma style.. Mixed martial arts. #Zimmermanon9


    48m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    The state is playing Good's 911 call and he said he heard a shot and was distraught once he saw that someone was dead. #Zimmermanon9

    51m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good says he could not see whether the person on the bottom had a gun out. #Zimmermanon9

    During dead time on video, OM was looking for evidence and getting admitted. Now showing Good a sketch he made of what happened.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Good shown photo by O'Mara of Martin at 7-11 and says the person on top of struggle was wearing dark colors Martin had on.

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 7m
    Good shown photo of #GeorgeZimmerman from after shooting, said clothes look like what he saw. "It was definitely a red or a lighter color."

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Good explains a sketch he drew of incidents he saw. O'Mara is about to show to jury. Depicts fight ending up on sidewalk. #zimmerman

    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good drew a sketch of his patio, where the scuffle started and where it moved to. #Zimmermanon9

    5m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    The jury is looking at the 7/11 photo of Martin with the hood of his hoodie up on his head facing the security camera. #Zimmermanon9

    6m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    The defense is showing Good the photo of Martin in 7/11 and Good said that was the person on top. #Zimmermanon9

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    De la Rionda is up to question Good again on redirect.

    (being pretty aggressive)

    2m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    The state asked Good whether he knew how the two got to the ground and he said no. #Zimmermanon9

    He asks Good to go over interview with Off. Serino (first gave a written statement), he added the 'ground down' to better describe what he saw.

    You added things to later statements also, Good said to better describe.

    Asks about porch lighting, Good says not illuminating but does light up area some.

    3m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    Good said he said it to Serino during his first interview with Sanford police. #Zimmermanon9

    5m
    Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
    The state asked if Sanford police detective Chris Serino could have been the first to use the phrase "ground and pound". #Zimmermanon9

    Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 5m
    Good asked to read his initial statement. Didn't say "ground & pound," said on "ground getting hit." #ZimmermanTrial pic.twitter.com/cgVRX4zEPO
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    DR to Good, does adding things to statements mean you were lying originally? asks to repeat question...no, he was just not asked those questions.

    Shows him picture, repeating after fight GZ was standing walking around and TMs body was face down. Showing picture to jury.

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