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    FL - Cherish Perrywinkle, 8, Jacksonville, 21 June 2013 #3 *Arrest*

    Thank you to Aunt_B for bringing this case to our attention!

    http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news..._issued_f.html
    Last Updated: Saturday, June 22, 2013, 6:30 AM
    Amber Alert issued for girl, 8, taken from Jacksonville Walmart

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    Sex offender charged with murder of 8 year old Cherish Perrywinkle
    Published 6/22 6:59 am - Updated: 6/24 12:23 pm
    Police found the body of Cherish Perrywinkle, 8, near a church along Broward Road.

    Police arrested a suspect in her abduction, 56-year-old Donald Smith. Authorities pulled over his van along SB I-95 near the I-10 split, just after 9 a.m. on Saturday.
    Remembering Cherish
    Published: 6/27 10:38 pm - Updated 6/28 10:59 am
    Reported by Amanda Warford
    JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Nearly 2,000 people attended a viewing for Cherish Perrywinkle on Thursday at Paxon Revival Center Church on Jacksonville's Westside.

    ...hopes Cherish's story could save the life of another child.

    "I just want them to understand that just because someone is nice to you doesn't mean they have good intentions."
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    FL - Cherish Perrywinkle (8) murdered by RSO- Jacksonville, 21-Jun-2013 #2

    Please continue here. AND remember the following:

    1. Dad is OFF LIMITS.

    2. Speculation needs to be based on facts. There is a lot of speculation in this thread about child trafficking, drugs, etc. WITHOUT links or any backup from LE or MSM. If you want to go down that road - you need to link it to something.

    Here is a link to our rules: The Rules - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


    3. It is in everyone's best interest to read them, because each poster is responsible for following them.

    If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to pm a Mod. Discussing moderation in the threads is against TOS. So send one of us a pm and we will be happy to assist you.


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    I have started a media and timeline thread for Cherish's case right here: FL - Cherish Perrywinkle (8) - Jacksonville, 21-Jun-2013 MEDIA & TIMELINE - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

    Remember - it is s a no discussion thread. The purpose is to add links to articles, LE info, maps and timelines for easy reference as the case moves forward.

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    Please continue here and remember that allegations made against the parties in this case must include MSM back up, per TOS.

    Failure to observe the rule will result in a TO.

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    I think there are miles between making a mistake and gross negligence and child endangerment.

    A mistake is thinking you turned the oven off, but accidentally leaving it on. Or locking yourself out of the house when you're baby's inside. Or misreading TSP for TBS when giving your child Tylenol.

    How does one mistakenly let a strange man escort their daughter to a fitting room twice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magdalyn View Post
    I think there are miles between making a mistake and gross negligence and child endangerment.

    A mistake is thinking you turned the oven off, but accidentally leaving it on. Or locking yourself out of the house when you're baby's inside. Or misreading TSP for TBS when giving your child Tylenol.

    How does one mistakenly let a strange man escort their daughter to a fitting room twice?
    Because somehow I don't think that he was like, "Hey let me take your kid alone into this fitting room. Did I mention that I'm a convicted child molester and on the sex offender registry???"

    People like DS are master manipulators. It's how otherwise competent people end up as victims. They make you doubt all of your instincts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helpful View Post
    Because somehow I don't think that he was like, "Hey let me take your kid alone into this fitting room. Did I mention that I'm a convicted child molester and on the sex offender registry???"

    People like DS are master manipulators. It's how otherwise competent people end up as victims. They make you doubt all of your instincts.
    No random stranger should be allowed to take your child anywhere, on the SO registry or not.
    People who are murderous sickos don't generally advertize the fact.

    She said she got a creepy vibe from him so more reason to be alert and not let your child to go off in the dark of the night to fetch you a cheeseburger with a creepy stranger.

    If that is competent parenting I don't want to know what incompetent parenting is.

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    Just wanted to respond to this quote from the last thread:

    Because somehow I don't think that he was like, "Hey let me take your kid alone into this fitting room. Did I mention that I'm a convicted child molester and on the sex offender registry???"


    It is exactly because one can never know who is a predator/means us harm/ and who is not a predator that it is child endangerment/neglect to hand your child off to a stranger.

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    The crime of Child Neglect occurs when a caregiver willfully or by culpable negligence fails to:
    1.Provide a child with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain the child's physical and mental health that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the child; or
    2.Make a reasonable effort to protect a child from abuse, neglect, or exploitation by another person.
    A child is defined as any person under the age of 18 and a caregiver is defined as a parent, adult household member, or other person responsible for the child's welfare.

    Neglect of a child may be based on repeated conduct or on a single incident or omission that results in, or could reasonably be expected to result in, serious physical or mental injury, or a substantial risk of death, to a child.
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    Has anyone on this board ever sent their child away to a changing room with a man they just met two hours before?

    ETA:Link http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes...d-neglect.html
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    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL - Cherish Perrywinkle (8), Jacksonville, 21-Jun-2013 - murdered by RSO - #2


    Because somehow I don't think that he was like, "Hey let me take your kid alone into this fitting room. Did I mention that I'm a convicted child molester and on the sex offender registry???"

    People like DS are master manipulators. It's how otherwise competent people end up as victims. They make you doubt all of your instincts.

    By her own (now and finally) admissions (in MSM, yes), upon being "promised a gift card at Walmart," the woman:

    *Put herself and her three children in a van with a "stranger," a van with the seat removed, the passenger seat reclined, and blinds on the windows

    *Spent hours in Walmart shopping with this man

    *Allowed him to take her daughter to the dressing room twice

    *Allowed her eight-year-old daughter to go with the man (by her own 11th hour admission) off the premises "to McDonald's," with her own personal order having been given

    And all the while after the fact the woman keeps throwing in "well he looked sort of creepy's" and "I told him I was nervouses" like that's supposed to explain and excuse her total disregard for the safety and well-being of her child.

    Anything short of the perp dangling a shiny silver object in front of her and saying, "Look into my eyes...you are getting sleepy...very sleepy..." is NOT manipulation. This is dangerous, reckless behavior on the part of the mother. It's not "poor choices," it's not "mistakes," it's dangerous, reckless behavior which put three minor children entrusted in her care in the worst of harm's way. I don't care if the man came up dressed like Jesus Christ himself and said, "Suffer the little children to come unto me," she should have said, "I wasn't born yesterday...show me a miracle!"

    This woman's dangerous, reckless behavior continues. The two little children continue to live in that house under her control.

    I just wonder if in this story the word "mother" was replaced with "nanny" or "babysitter" whether all the "poor choicers" out there would still be talking about this woman's "mistakes." I doubt it.
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    I think we all can agree that RP hadn't made the decisions she did, her daughter would be alive today. I'm sure she knows that, too.

    I'd like to concentrate on the perv for a change. Who is he, really? How did he do so many things that we know of and pay such little consequence? Who is his family? Who does his family know? Who pulled the strings for him to get out and offend over and over? And HTH was he able to live .02 miles from a middle school? How many victims are there we don't know about?


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    i have been known to not allow my teenagers to go get a burger with their friends... this case is just heartbreaking. i had hopes that we would have some action by now... I'm wondering if negligence charges will be brought? where is AP? one thing is certain, RP enjoys the spotlight, i am sure there will be another article soon...

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    I second that. Change RP to babysitter and no one would be calling this a mistake.

    I do agree that DS was/is a manipulator and a skilled predator. I do believe that he could read people and picked RP out at that Dollar General not only because she had 3 little girls with her.. I think he calculated the risk of being allowed to go through with it and felt confident that he could succeed. I don't think any of us here who are flabbergasted and angry about this case are trying to lesson Donald Smith's role. Ultimately he murdered Cherish. For the sake of justice and the children in Florida, I hope he never hears those cell doors unlock again as long as his evil heart is beating.

    I'm not of the camp who believe RP knew what awaited Cherish when she met DS but I do believe her poor choices caused a domino effect.
    So many times we can discuss cases and its a stranger abduction that happened in the blink of an eye and short of keeping your child locked inside all day every day you can't avoid the risk.. This wasn't like that, IMO. This was preventable several times. Several.

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    I am so glad a couple of posts from the previous threads were brought up. I tried to post before it closed, but I lost my whole post because the thread closed.

    I have came very close to not following this case because of some of the things that have been said about Cherish's mom. I am only still following it because I want to see justice done in this case.

    We don't know anything about her parenting skills. It is easy to criticize someone's poor judgment after the fact. Personally, I am going to reserve judgment until I see something come from LE or MSN that spells out the truth.

    If you want to bash someone, bash the piece of trash that did this to Cherish or our system that allowed him to be out among our children to begin with. There is something wrong with a system that allowed a child to be murdered before he is locked up. There were plenty of signs and because of his "rights" he wasn't locked up and already put away. This is what failed...our system. Something has to be changed now.

    This mother is grieving and emotionally distraught. Can you imagine being in her position. I raised three children and two were girls, I shudder to think what I would be like if something like this would have happened to one of them. I have a 8 year old grand daughter and I worry every day about this kind of thing. It is out there and they live amongst us. It doesn't matter whether you are poor or rich every child is vulnerable. It is a shame when you can't allow your son or daughter to ride their bikes or play outside because you don't know who is lurking nearby. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazTaz View Post
    I think we all can agree that RP hadn't made the decisions she did, her daughter would be alive today. I'm sure she knows that, too.

    I'd like to concentrate on the perv for a change. Who is he, really? How did he do so many things that we know of and pay such little consequence? Who is his family? Who does his family know? Who pulled the strings for him to get out and offend over and over? And HTH was he able to live .02 miles from a middle school? How many victims are there we don't know about?
    794.065 Unlawful place of residence for persons convicted of certain sex offenses.--

    (1) It is unlawful for any person who has been convicted of a violation of s. 794.011, s. 800.04, s. 827.071, or s. 847.0145, regardless of whether adjudication has been withheld, in which the victim of the offense was less than 16 years of age, to reside within 1,000 feet of any school, day care center, park, or playground.
    http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...ws.jsp#794.065

    If the 0.2 miles is an exact distance it's technically legal, it's a little over 1,000 ft.

    Personally I don't think it matters too much where they live, it gives a totally false sense of security, because most of these creeps are completely mobile and totally able to walk or drive far more than 1,000 ft from their home to go wherever they want to go to offend.

    Edit: the sections that are mentioned here are
    794.011 Sexual battery, excluding 794.011(10).
    800.04 Lewd or lascivious offenses committed upon or in the presence of persons less than 16 years of age.
    827.071 Sexual performance by a child; penalties.
    847.0145 Selling or buying of minors; penalties.

    was he convicted of these?
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    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/a...-disappearance

    like i said!

    this says she was buried.

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