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    George Zimmerman Real Time Trial Thread *No Discussion* 7/2/2013

    Dear Webseuths Members,

    We know many of you want to discuss the facts of the case and as long as the discussion is civil you may discuss the case in general in this link below:

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213157"]George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


    This thread is for REAL TIME COURTROOM updates.

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 19m
    The state wants the judge to tell the jury to disregard Serino's statement that he believed #Zimmermanon9 was credible.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 20m
    The state is objecting to the defense question that led to Serino saying he thought #Zimmermanon9 was credible, as improper.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 22m
    Court is in. The state is trying to prevent the defense from asking police for opinions. Two have already said #Zimmermanon9 was credible.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 24m
    Sybrina Fulton has her hair up in a "bun" and is wearing glasses. Could she be called today? #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 25m
    Sanford police officer Chris Serino, lead case investigator, will be back n the stand with the defense once trial resumes. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 35m
    MT @WFTV: Follow @WFTV, @KBelichWFTV, @DBroomWFTV & @RHughesWFTV for live courtroom updates. #Zimmermanon9


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    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    The judge is bringing Sanford officer Chris Serino and the jury in. It seems she'll tell jury to disregard his opinion. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 4m
    There is an issue concerning a state witness who taught an online course at Seminole Community College #Zimmermanon9 might have taken.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 10m
    The state wants the judge to read the question and answer to the jury and tell them to disregard it.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 11m
    The judge said what if Serino said #Zimmermanon9 was not telling the truth. The defense said then it would be out there.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 13m
    The defense says it should be able to ask what Serino concluded after the challenging interview of #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 14m
    He says he has the right to ask Serino about #Zimmermanon9 's truthfulness because Serino challenged Zimmerman to see if he was lying.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 15m
    The defense is arguing the cases the state has cited deal with the statements detrimental to the defendant. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 17m
    The state objects to defense saying to Serino, taking pathological liar off the table, did he think #Zimmermanon9 was credible. He said yes.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 21m
    The jury is not yet in the courtroom. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 22m
    The judge is trying to decide. #Zimmermanon9

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    The court reporter read the testimony to jury and judge told jury to disregard Serino's opinion about #Zimmermanon9's veracity.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    The defense asked if Serino thought he was lying. The state objected. #Zimmermanon9 (sustained)

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    The defense just overcame the judge's ruling by asking if Serino's efforts to challenge #Zimmermanon9 brought a different story. He said no

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 40s
    Serino said no and it did not change the investigation. Jurors taking notes. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    The defense asked if #Zimmermanon9 's statement that the yelling didn't sound like him gave the impression Zimmerman was denying it was him.

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    OM wanted to ask about what Serino did in rest of his investigation...objection, sustained...judge says he can ask that in his own case...he says he will have to then call Serino as his own witness...she agrees....

    de la Rionda on re-direct...asks if someone who called others 'a**holes' and *ucking punk' used to describe TM would indicate ill will or hatred...Serino says no, it would not mean hatred...but then he does agree it is ill will...
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    O'Mara wraps up cross. DLR is back up for redirect.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 6m
    Serino says fact that #zimmerman didn't think screams sounded like him affected his interrogation. #trayvonmartin

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 9m
    The 911 call with screams on the background played for Serino. #zimmerman.

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 11m
    O'Mara continues questions on "challenge" interview. Undermine #GeorgeZImmerman's confidence? Serino: "More trying to extract truth."
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower


    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 13m
    Judge has at issue testimony by Serino read back. Tells jury to disregard the question and answer on #zimmerman truthfulness.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 21m
    I'm no @renestutzman on my fashion tweets. But four jury members are wearing black today. My contribution to discussion.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 23m
    Jury being brought in now.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 23m
    Discussion on webcam testimony of witness has been tabled until the afternoon.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 25m
    Defense wants him to arrange webcam testimony so it can cross examine him.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 26m
    Now attys are haggling over a state witness who is out of the country and unavailable. State wants to offer video testimony.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 31m
    DLR wants q/a stricken from record and an instruction for jury to disregard.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 32m
    Judge to O'Mara: "You asked him the specific question--was he telling the truth?"

    Yamiche Alcindor Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 37m
    Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara says b/c Officer Serino did interviews to determine if Zimmerman was telling truth he should offer opinion
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Natalie Tolomeo Natalie Tolomeo ‏@NatalieTolomeo 37m
    51 people waited in line yesterday to get a spot in today's 24 public seats. #ZimmermanTrial #Zimmerman #Trayvon #TrayvonMartin
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 37m
    Seems that generally case law doesn't allow police to give opinion on witnesses or defendants truthfulness.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 38m
    State wants part of investigator Serino testimony struck where O'Mara got him to offer an opinion on if #zimmerman was telling truth

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 43m
    Gallery, public and media, is pack today.

    Tony Pipitone Tony Pipitone ‏@TonyPipitone 45m
    Judge did say defense was coming close yesterday to violating the granted motion to exclude police opinion about self-defense.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 45m
    DLR lodged objections during def questioning Mon that asked witness Serino about if he thought #zimmerman was acting in self defense.

    Yamiche Alcindor Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 47m
    Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda is now making arguments about a previous motion to limit discussions about certain topics
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 49m
    We are back in session. #zimmerman

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1h
    Morning primer: Detective returns to stand in #Zimmerman trial http://bigstory.ap.org/article/detec...immerman-trial

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 15h
    Police questioning of #Zimmerman grew more pointed (from @AP) #trayvonmartin http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/con...tguid=DH9vFTAQ

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 8m
    The state is replaying #Zimmermanon9 's police call and "a--holes" and "f------ punks". Serino says the latter is ill will and spite.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 10m
    The defense will have to call Serino as a defense witness and the defense says it will. 2/2 #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 11m
    The defense wanted to get Tracy Martin's statement that the yelling was not his son's in but state did not ask about it. 1/2 #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 17m
    Serino said no and it did not change the investigation. Jurors taking notes. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 17m
    The defense asked if #Zimmermanon9 's statement that the yelling didn't sound like him gave the impression Zimmerman was denying it was him.


    "The further we (as the human race) grow away from the natural world, the quieter the natural world becomes and the more pathological we become as a culture."........Bernie Krause

    The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy—a policy worthy of imitation......which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance.......George Washington

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Serino says "it could be construed" that someone following another person based on past experiences is profiling

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 7m
    Jury taking lots of notes as DLR points out suspicious ppl #zimmerman described as always getting away. #trayvonmartin

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 12m
    Serino testifies that the use of "f------punks" to describe someone he would call ill will and spite.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 14m
    Judge sustains O'Mara objection as DLR makes comment that he won't ask Serino any opinion questions b/c it's improper.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 15m
    O'Mara wraps up cross. DLR is back up for redirect.

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 7m
    Serino told the state that one could believe that #Zimmermanon9 profiled Martin as a criminal based on his statements.

    (defense objected/overruled)

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 9m
    The state points out that #Zimmermanon9 used the derogatory terms within minutes of the shooting through Serino.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 15m
    The state is replaying #Zimmermanon9 's police call and "a--holes" and "f------ punks". Serino says the latter is ill will and spite.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 17m
    The defense will have to call Serino as a defense witness and the defense says it will. 2/2 #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 18m
    The defense wanted to get Tracy Martin's statement that the yelling was not his son's in but state did not ask about it. 1/2 #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 23m
    Serino said no and it did not change the investigation. Jurors taking notes. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 24m
    The defense asked if #Zimmermanon9 's statement that the yelling didn't sound like him gave the impression Zimmerman was denying it was him.

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    DLR showing tape that when GZ said he was looking for an address, there was an address right there on the L at an apt. Defendant claimed did not know this street, only 3 in whole complex...Serino agrees...


    Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 2m
    De la Rionda is getting loud and animated. This seems to be a very important part of the state's case.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Judge strikes detective statements on #Zimmerman (from @AP) #trayvonmartin http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/con...tguid=L1u7XRKp

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 10m
    Serino says "it could be construed" that someone following another person based on past experiences is profiling

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 12m
    Jury taking lots of notes as DLR points out suspicious ppl #zimmerman described as always getting away. #trayvonmartin


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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 38s
    The state brought out that the investigation was turned over to another agency. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    The state is pointing out inconsistencies in #Zimmermanon9 's story and possible exaggeration of his injuries.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    The state is pointing out how #Zimmermanon9 said he pulled Martin's arms out but Martin's arms were found under his body.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    Jurors are taking notes. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    The state points out that though #Zimmermanon9 says he had to walk to get an address for police there was one right by him.


    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 9m
    The state points out that Serino challenged #Zimmermanon9 's statements about being smothered and about whether he followed Martin.


    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 17m
    Serino told the state that one could believe that #Zimmermanon9 profiled Martin as a criminal based on his statements.

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    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 41s
    O'Mara is haggling over the tone #zimmerman in using the term "a-------".

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    DLR redirect is done. O'Mara back up for re-cross examinations.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Serino testifies that he felt #zimmerman exaggerated the manner in which he claimed #trayvonmartin hit him.


    bob kealing ‏@bobkealing 7m
    BDLR now pointing out with arms spread wide, GZ version of where TM body ended up on the ground.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Corey Dade Corey Dade ‏@CoreyDade 9m
    State: When #Zimmerman points on video saying there r no addresses, isnt an address right there on front of house? Serino: Yes. #GZtrial
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 21m
    Serino told the defense there is nothing illegal about #Zimmermanon9 following Martin.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 23m
    Serino says he found a slim jim in bushes in the area where #Zimmermanon9 said Martin hid.


    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 25m
    The defense pointed out that a tall, thin young black male was arrested and sentenced to prison for burglaries there. #Zimmermanon9

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    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 9m
    O'Mara highlighting the crime incidents that had occurred in weeks before the shooting. #zimmerman


    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 15m
    Nearly all jurors made note if Serino saying that it was his interpretation that #zimmerman followed #trayvonmartin


    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 16m
    Serino: "It's my interpretation that there was some following (by #zimmerman)."

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 26m
    O'Mara: Evidence #TrayvonMartin was up to no good? Serino: "None whatsoever." Know that for sure? "No I do not." #GeorgeZimmerman
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower


    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 27m
    Juror B51, a woman in her 60s, seems a little uncomfortable with the cursing being emphasized right now. A few other jurors as well.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    O'Mara done. O'Mara (DLR) back up for more questions.

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 6m
    O'Mara: ME report suggests #TrayvonMartin "was hanging over" #GeorgeZimmerman. Serino: "It did" #GeorgeZimmerman #ZimmermanTrial
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Serino testifies that based on evidence he's read that it's not shown that #zimmerman gun was pressed against #trayvonmartin chest

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