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  1. #31
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Of three blood stains tested for hoodie of #trayvonmartin had only his DNA.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    The dna analyst says he did not find #Zimmermanon9 's dna on Martin's hoodie cuffs.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    The dna analyst found Martin's blood on his hoodie on the lower portion and more blood he could not identify. #Zimmermanon9

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 50s
    Right cuff of hoodie tested negative for blood. The left cuff had no DNA not from #trayvonmartin on it.

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 11m
    No blood was found on the flashlight at the scene. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 12m
    The dna found Martin's blood on the skittles bag. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 13m
    No dna from #Zimmermanon9 was found under Martin's fingernails. Zimmerman says Martin punched him and slammed his head on concrete.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 15m
    The analyst took swabs from Martin's right fingernails and found only Martin's dna. #Zimmermanon9

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    Analyst to DLR on inside sweatshirt of TM:

    Stain A...found blood with the complete profile of GZ..

    Stain B...positive for blood and matched TM

    Stain C...negative for blood

    Stain D...positive blood, was able to obtain mixture of DNA, could not determine which was a major or minor contributor..both GZ and TM were contributors to that mixture..

    Stain E...positive for blood and matched TM...small stain on R hand side toward bottom

    Also tested R sleeve, negative for blood, DNA matched TM

    L sleeve was negative for blood, DNA was a mixture, the foreign sample was not able to ID but not able to exclude GZ

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    AFTER LUNCH

    1:46 PM Court is in session, please be seated. I think the Jury has just gotten back from their lunch. Is there anything else the court can take up while we wait for them?

    West wonders if Crump can be available tomorrow for deposition? (4th of July)

    West wants Court to recess Friday to take Crump's deposition. Also they want to take depos of a couple of other witnesses. i.e. Mr. Benton(?) or Mr. Blackwell (?).

    The Judge: The State has said they intend to rest today. The Jury is sequestered. To take Friday off is just not reasonable. Crump has been available since forever. But, West says, wah, wah, wah.

    If state rests today, the Defense has tomorrow to use to get ready. Friday is first business day after the holiday. West, "but we were still litigating evidentiary issues after the trial started. "

    The Judge: Now I have a jury sequestered and they are going to be off, 4 days? I am not doing that.

    West: blah, blah, blah,

    Bernie: Trying to finish today, might have to go to Friday morning.

    Judge: Let's proceed with the State's case now.
    I am prepared to go as late today as we need to for the State to finish today.
    Please bring the Jury in.


    1:56 PM Jury enters, and did not discuss, read or listen to anything about the case, etc. NO.

    State Next Witness:

    Anthony Gorgone Crime Lab Analyst with FDLE
    He is a DNA expert and statistics specialist and Is up to date with DNA information. Has previously testified 28 times in Florida courts, prior to today.

    Describes what DNA is: It is what makes our genetic code unique. It is in every cell of our body.

    STR Process - his lab uses this method. His lab is accredited. Talks about methods and controls used while analyzing evidence. And, the outfits he wears while analyzing. Twice a year proficiency tests.

    (My aside) There has to be a better way to discuss and inform about the DNA profiling process in court. This stuff puts me to sleep. Meanwhile a full 'military coup' is underway in Egypt.

    Witness says that the statistics of same DNA are not based on the world population. Just as lottery statistics are not based on how many people enter.

    Now we are looking at swabs that took samples from the inside of George's mouth as well as Trayvon's. These are used as "known" samples because it is known where the samples came from.

    Simple chart of the locations on the DNA molecule for Zimmerman and Martin.

    Amelogenin location is separate from the 13 Loci. and is the male or female designation. both have X, Y (which means they are both male).

    Okay, that's the extent of my ability to focus on that chart.

    Now witness is identifying evidence bags of swabs. #174 is comprised of 4 swabs from different parts of the gun. Each swab is seperate from the other.

    West is now looking at page after page after page of State's exhibit #203 being offered as a summary of what was done in laboratory. He says okay, no objection to it being entered in evidence.

    First chart on screen, the pistol grip of the Defendant's Gun. Yes for George, he concluded Trayvon was excluded.

    Numbers in the Quadrillions and Quintillions.

    Next, swab from pistol trigger. No test for blood. No mixture of DNA. Results too low to make an interpretation from.

    Swab from pistol slide. No blood showed up. Made a comparison to try to exclude. Not enough material to include or exclude either.

    Swab from the holster. Major matches with George. Not able to include or exclude Trayvon.

    Evidence Package of Fingernail scrapings from Trayvon. A wooden stick used to extract material from between the nail and the skin.

    State Exhibit #169 - Swab from Skittles and swab from flashlight. Publish to Jury. Swab from Skittles, possible presence for blood. Partial DNA profile did match Trayvon.
    From the flashlight, no blood result, no dna result.

    State is going to show some actual exhibits of the museum mounted clothes and the witness is off the stand, at the exhibits noting the places where he took cuttings for his testing samples (instead of using swabs). He examined 3 stains from the 'hoodie'. Documented in his notes what he did and when he did it along with photos he took when he did it.

    Findings regarding the 'hoodie': State #119 photo of hoodie before the cuttings were taken. State's 203 Stain A front lower of shirt, positive for blood, partial DNA profile matches Trayvon.
    Stain B, from aleeve, no blood..
    Stain C, yes for blood, no DNA
    He did Right sleeve and left sleeve cuffs, they were negative for blood, and no foreign DNA.
    Swab collected test from about elbow to the end of the cuff. All the way around.

    Exam or analysis on the shirt Trayvon was wearing on the shirt Trayvon was wearing underneath the hoodie. Did some testing around some stains at bottom of shirt. Did not test around the area of the bullet hole and blood.

    Circled stains and labeled them,

    Findings:

    The gray shirt that was underneath the hoodie:

    Stain A, positive for presence of blood, complete DNA profile which matched George Zimmerman.

    Stain B, positive for blood, match to Trayvon.

    Stain C, negative for blood.

    Stain D, positive for blood, mixture of DNA, both are possible contributors. Large stain in middle of front surface

    Stain E, positive for blood,

    On the sleeve and cuff, right side, neg for blood, DNA nothing foreign to Trayvon.

    Left side sleeve, no blood, but there was foreign DNA on that sleeve to Trayvon. Was not able to exclude George from that foreign DNA on the sleeve.

    More to come.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Stain on #trayvonmartin undershirt, the sweatshirt under the hoodie, had DNA from #Zimmerman on it. Jurors take note.

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    GZ's jacket saw 17 stains to test for blood, used alternate light source since color matched blood

    Using light source found 14 additional stains, total 31, DNA results can't tell whether they came from blood, saliva, skin cells

    a- matched GZ

    b- matched GZ

    c- matched GZ

    d- no blood

    e- mixture, major was GZ, could not match other contributor, on back R shoulder

    f- negative for blood

    g- positive for blood, limited results, no determination

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    stain on GZs jacket

    h- ?

    I- ?

    j- matched GZ

    k- matched GZ

    l- matched GZ

    m- matched GZ

    n- mixture of DNA, major matched GZ, minor matched TM, front R hand shoulder

    o- matched GZ

    p- Matched GZ

    q- negative for blood

    r- negative

    s- negative

    t-negative

    u- positive for blood, mixture, TM was included, could not determine GZ, on cuff of R hand sleeve, Velcro

    v- positive, no match

    w- negative

    x- negative

    y- negative

    z- positive, no match

    aa- negative

    bb- ?


    "The further we (as the human race) grow away from the natural world, the quieter the natural world becomes and the more pathological we become as a culture."........Bernie Krause

    The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy—a policy worthy of imitation......which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance.......George Washington

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    cc, dd, ee, all negative for blood on GZs jacket

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 58s
    But expert noted that some stains didn't provide complete exclusions of #trayvonmartin

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Of the resolvable blood DNA found in stains on #Zimmerman jacket, only his DNA definitively found on all but 2 of 31 tested stains.

    Exhibit of defendents inside shirt of GZ, 16 total stains...

    a- blood positive matched GZ
    b- same
    c- same
    d- same
    e- same
    f- same
    g- negative
    h- same neg
    I- matched GZ blood
    j-same
    k- same
    l- same
    m- same
    n- same
    o- same
    p- same, blood matched GZ


    "The further we (as the human race) grow away from the natural world, the quieter the natural world becomes and the more pathological we become as a culture."........Bernie Krause

    The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy—a policy worthy of imitation......which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance.......George Washington

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    Now showing and identifying photos and stains on George's reddish orange and black jacket.

    B's, multiples B's multiple tubes.

    George Jacket Stains:

    Stain A, pos for George blood, no one else included.

    Stain B, pos for George blood, no one else included.

    Stain C, pos for George blood

    Stain D, neg for blood

    Stain E, pos for blood, mixture of DNA, the major complete match for George, the minor neither included nor excluded Trayvon. Located on the back right shoulder of the jacket.

    Stain F, neg blood

    Stain G, pos for blood, limited DNA results

    Stain H, neg blood

    Stain I, pos blood, partial DNA profile for George, Trayvon excluded completely

    Stain J, pos blood, DNA match George

    Stain K, pos blood, DNA match George


    Stain L , ditto

    Stain M, ditto

    Stain N, pos for blood, mixture DNA, major match George, minor match Trayvon stain on front right upper part of jacket, front right shoulder

    Stain O, pos blood, DNA match George

    Stain P, ditto

    Stain Q, neg blood

    R, neg

    S, neg

    T, neg

    U, pos blood, mixture of DNA, Trayvon included as possible contributor, located on bottom of velcro on cuff of right hand side of George's jacket.

    Stain V, pos blood, DNA too limited to match or exclude.

    W, neg

    X. , neg

    Y, neg


    Z. pos, but no DNA match

    AA etc etc on and on.

    BB on left hand side of back about 6 inches below the collar?

    CC

    DD

    NOW on to the light gray shirt worn by George. The shirt he had on under his jacket. Encased in a 3D frame with plastic or glass cover.

    Stain A, pos blood, single source DNA profile matching George

    B ditto


    C ditto

    D ditto

    E ditto

    F ditto

    G neg

    H neg

    I pos blood, complete DNA profile matching George

    J ditto

    K ditto

    L ditto

    M ditto

    N ditto

    O ditto

    P ditto

    Bernie done with this witness.

    15 Minute Recess. Whew!!!

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    Taking 15 min. recess...I'm going back to post some other updates:

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 59m
    We've just learned that @markomaralaw will make a statement after court today if the state rests its case. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1h
    The state said might not close til Friday.. Don't know if they're trying to delay Fulton until right before the defense 1/2 #Zimmermanon9

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 7m
    All the blood DNA on #Zimmerman undershirt was his. State is done with its direct exam. 10 min recess.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    "We're in a CSI mentality." It's a win for the state that #TrayvonMartin's DNA was not on gun, says @GWarmothWFTV. #Zimmermanon9
    Last edited by Reader; 07-03-2013 at 04:05 PM.

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    Unlikely Skype call interrupters will be charged. Lawyers need to better understand social media, says @BillSheafferPA. #Zimmermanon9

    Court back in session...West on cross of DNA analyst Gorgone.

    It sounds like a lot of the analysis you did was from samples collected by someone else...correct...he does not go to crime scenes... he does make determination of why DNA is not where it should be? correct, it just analysis what he is given...could rain affect...yes, moisture, heat, rain can degrade DNA..gun is a hard surface and DNA can be wiped off..


    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 29s
    Gorgone: Hard surfaces (like guns) make it hard to detect DNA. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    Gorgone: Environmental factors (like rain) can degrade DNA. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    Gorgone confirms someone can touch an item and leave no DNA can be detected. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    And we're back. #DonWest for defense is cross-examining DNA analyst Gorgone. #Zimmermanon9


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    West asks about exclusion of person, does this mean he determined they never touched the item? no, means he did not have enough of that person's DNA to determine if they could be included...

    Ryan Hughes - WFTV ‏@RHughesWFTV 9m
    NOW: @SybrinaFulton NOT in courtroom after recess. Could she be called to the stand next? #ZIMMERMANon9.
    Retweeted by Kathi Belich, WFTV

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    #GeorgeZimmerman's DNA was the major profile on the gun holster where it was swabbed. (He's not sure where.) #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    Gorgone says DNA can be tainted if badly packaged or if it was poorly handled. #Zimmermanon9

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 6s
    Gorgone: Not necessarily looking for blood under fingernails, rather: foreign DNA, like someone's skin. #Zimmermanon9

    West asking questions that have already been answered...witness does not collect samples...he says one stick is usually used to collect all fingernails on one hand...West thinks each finger should be swabbed separately...West says he noticed that the gun parts were swabbed separately...West trying to taint the collection of the DNA...

    Asks was TMs pants collected and analyzed? no

    West asks about government standards for evidence collection..lab is credited? yes, by an creditation board from all over the country which comes out and makes sure they meet FBI standards, last inspection 2010, in between have internal audit every year and external audit every other year, each analyst also goes through proficiency tests..runs samples for a test every 6 months.

    Wests asked about biological evidence...analyst says that is where he works in the biological lab, not called a DNA lab, mostly 'wet' evidence, it is dried down before testing or could be degraded. Goes to sweatshirts, he first saw them, opened by another trace analyst first (fibers, stuff on items) taken to be analyzed separately, no chemicals involved, brushing the item. Both sweatshirts were in a brown paper bag inside a red bio-hazard bag. Brown paper bag is ideal to contain sample as lets if air out; other analyst tied the red bag closed; one of the sweatshirts were still wet when he opened the bags. West says what should have been done is both items should have been air dried first. That would be a red flag to you that the evidence is degraded? correct, can you determine amount of degradation, no. May have been able to get more results but unknown.

    He did dry the evidence as long as he could but needed to transfer to another section for gun examination. He had taken everything he needed, pictures, samples first. Tells how he takes a scalpel and cuts out what he needs.

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 4m
    Gorgone: #TrayvonMartin's clothes were damp; dark grey hoodie smelled moldy. Should've been air dried before packaging. #Zimmermanon9

    Ryan Hughes - WFTV Ryan Hughes - WFTV ‏@RHughesWFTV 6m
    Don West suggesting items weren't packaged properly. #ZIMMERMANon9.
    Retweeted by Kathi Belich, WFTV

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 8m
    Essentially: Wet items should be "dried down:, so moisture won't degrade DNA, Gorgone says. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 11m
    West walking through lab and professional accreditation with Gorgone. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 14m
    Gorgone confirms he did no DNA analysis on #TrayvonMartin's pants, only the hoodie and sweatshirt. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 16m
    Fingernail vs. fingernails. RT @RHughesWFTV: Don West getting particular on evidence packaging wording. #ZIMMERMANon9.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 19m
    Gorgone: Not necessarily looking for blood under fingernails, rather: foreign DNA, like someone's skin. #Zimmermanon9

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 4m
    Gorgone telling #DonWest again how he tested for DNA on the sweatshirt. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 8m
    Now they're looking at #TrayvonMartin's sweatshirt and Gorgone is pointing out the stains. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 10m
    We're coming up on 5pm, but jurors are still focused and taking notes. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 12m
    He's pinpointing the sources of the DNA on #TrayvonMartin's hoodie, including anything foreign to TM. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 16m
    Gorgone identifying stains on #TrayvonMartin's hoodie. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 18m
    West walking through the process of how Gorgone gets DNA for items. #Zimmermanon9

    It's funny how West is talking soooo slooow...methings he is dragging things out to make it so the state can't complete today like the judge wants...

    He told the analyst he gave his opinion on the DNA...so he thinks the jury can't tell the difference between an opinion and a scientific test, that they don't know what DNA is?


    "The further we (as the human race) grow away from the natural world, the quieter the natural world becomes and the more pathological we become as a culture."........Bernie Krause

    The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy—a policy worthy of imitation......which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance.......George Washington

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    Just wanted to say thanks for the transcriptions and tweet info! I have been reading them every day since the trial started, and very much appreciate everyone's efforts!

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