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  1. #31
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    DLR asks about ID of Trayvon and there is a stipulation by all parties that the body the autopsy was performed on was ID'd as Trayvon Martin. Judge reads it to the jury.

    WFTV Eyewitness News ‏@WFTV 17s
    UPDATE: Medical examiner describes #TrayvonMartin's autopsy, says no blood on Martin's hands: http://at.wftv.com/125Yhvf #Zimmermanon9
    Retweeted by Kathi Belich, WFTV

    DLR is through, court in recess for 10 min. Jury dismissed.

    Bill S. and reporter point out that GZ testified that TM stood up and said 'you got me' after the shot but ME testimony contradicts and says TM could not have moved or spoken after the shot. Good testimony for state.


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    Dr Bao seems not to "get" how he needs to wait for questions from the attorney. He is trying to express how the difference between FACT and OPINION is very important.

    Bernie asking about "Intermediate distance" of range of gun.
    Bao: The clothing will block some soot and some material from the gunshot.
    Intermediate Range is by definition not by measurement.
    Based on exam of clothing and body: I believe there was Lose Contact of gun to clothes which caused the stippling pattern.
    Two sweatshirts: I can not tell.
    Are you able to say position of body when he was shot? No. I cannot tell, I have no opinion on that.

    More questions about how long Trayvon was alive:

    BAO is a bit roguish. (acting rascally)

    Bao: My opinion is based on my experience.

    Bernie: Brain is still alive?

    Bao: Yes.

    Bernie: State #165 photo

    Bao: bullet fragments recovered.

    Bernie: Publish to Jury? Yes.

    Bernie: About injury on Trayvon's (knuckle?).

    Bao: No way to tell when it happened. Could have happened two hours before, or after he fell to the ground.

    Bao: No opinion on tiny abrasion on Trayvon's left hand.

    Now Bernie asking about the fingernail scraping sticks to clarify how it is done. Yes, one on one hand, the other on the other hand.

    Bernie: Judge reads Stipulation by Defense the the photo of dead body is Trayvon.

    Bao: Have to open body to see that bullet went straight through to the heart.

    Bernie: No further questions.

    West asks for a 10 minute Recess.

    Judge sends Jury to their Room, ten minute recess.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Tracy Martin stared blankly at closeup photo of #trayvonmartin face from autopsy as it was shown to jury.

    Yamiche Alcindor Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 7m
    Abrasions on hands of Trayvon could have happened before, during or after the fight with Zimmerman.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 12m
    Bao says its his opinion that he doesn't think #trayvonmartin would be able to move after gunshot. #zimmerman

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 15m
    Bao says he believes that the muzzle of the gun had "loose contact" with the clothing #trayvonmartin was wearing when he was shot.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 22m
    Bao: "I believe he was alive for 1-10 minutes after he was shot."

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 25m
    Close up shown on ring and pinky finger abrasions on #trayvonmartin left hand. Bao: No other injuries besides gunshot. Jurors take note

    Stewart Moore Stewart Moore ‏@StewartMoore 31m
    Bao: (hands) other than small abrasions on left fist, there's no other injury. No disease. No blood on hands
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower


    "The further we (as the human race) grow away from the natural world, the quieter the natural world becomes and the more pathological we become as a culture."........Bernie Krause

    The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy—a policy worthy of imitation......which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance.......George Washington

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    West asking Bao about how TMs clothing was removed and packaged, including shoes. Arguing about whether it was packed in plastic bags.

    Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 3m
    Bao says he was there the whole time during autopsy of #TrayvonMartin
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Stephanie Wash ‏@WashNews 1m
    Juror e6's eyes are widening as Judge urges attorneys and witness to let one person speak at a time. #ZimmermanTrial #TrayvonMartin
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Rodney Hawkins Rodney Hawkins ‏@RodneyCBSNews 2m
    Bao and West in a contentious answer & question battle during defense's cross. West asking abt timing. Bao says he doesn't know the timing
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 10m
    West & Bao sparring a bit on timing of shooting/ME arrival. Bao: "I cannot give you wrong information," or that's perjury. #ZimmermanTrial
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 12m
    Bao says that no paper bags were placed on #trayvonmartin hands that is sometimes done to preserve evidence on a body's hands.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 15m
    Def atty Don West is up to cross examine Bao.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    ME testifies Martin suffered after being shot (from @AP) #trayvonmartin #zimmerman http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/con...tguid=Ze793PLr

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    WEST CROSS OF BAO

    West wants to do a "walk through" of the Autopsy.

    Asking about the role of Bao's two assistants.

    Bao: One of them, Priscilla, writes down what Bao tells her as he and the other assistant are doing autopsy with their contaminated gloves on.

    West now asking about hands not bagged. Asking about notes from person (Ms Malfours) who went to the crime scene .
    What time did she get there?: Her notes say 9:44 PM.

    West is wondering IF the event occurred at about 7:15, and Ms Malfours arrived at the scene about 2 and a half hours later, (ref 9:44 PM) in her notes she left at about 10:10 PM, the body was at the scene for about 3 hours and unprotected from the elements.

    Bao, is saying he cannot testify to all that, because he wasn't there. The only thing he can say is that the hands were not bagged.

    Bao says that without notes, he cannot recall any of the events on the day of the autopsy or surrounding the Autopsy itself.

    Bao: I do not remember anything, zero, on the day of the autopsy. I rely on the notes and photos of the autopsy.

    West: Asking about autopsy protocol.

    Bao: starts a minute by minute description of a typical day.

    Four people speaking at the time.

    West: Did you see the body fully clothed? Or, after the assistants had declothed the body?

    Bao: Yes. Because that is how I always do it. Does not recall if he watched Ben remove the clothing on that day or not. He believes he did see it.

    West: What happens to the clothing after it is removed from the body.

    Bao: We pack them and give them to the police department.

    West: Was the clothing removed and packaged in paper bags.

    Bao: It should have been.

    West: Procedure is to dry clothing and pack it in paper.

    Bao: Does not know if that is what happened that day.

    Bao: There are no plastic bags other than the one that carried the body.
    It is a rule. If anyone did that they would be gone the next day.

    West: Are those the shoes?

    Bao: Studied for his testimony for hundreds of hours. Took notes. Oh, dear god. He doesn't want the attorneys to see them.
    Judge declares that they are entitled to see them. They were notes he took on his own, they were not part of the autopsy report.
    Counsel can sit down with the notes and look over them, but they cannot copy them and they must be returned to Dr Bao.

    West and O'Mara are looking through the notes.

    Bao: "Something funny there?"

    Judge: "There is no question, just sit and wait."

    Judge asks if Defense is through with the notes? If so, please give them to Bernie.

    West asks for lunch, and asks if they can copy the notes so they can read through them more during lunch?

    Bao: Interjects that they are his notes and they can not copy them.

    Judge okays lunch break.

    Judge says clerk can make a copy Bao's personal notes for each side, but they are confidential and may not be shared, and are to be destroyed after his testimony is done.

    Lunchtime for all.

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 42s
    Dr. Bao keeps talking even though he's not been asked a question.. Still unhappy the lawyers have gotten his notes. #Zimmermanon9

    (Judge allows the defense to read the MEs notes and there is a pause...when back West says he wants a copy and to read more carefully. Asks judge to go to lunch break to allow time for this. She agrees and dismisses jury. Judge tells witness she understands his worry about his notes, she will instruct both side provided copies and original back to him and then all copies will be destroyed. She instructs him in not discussing case during break.

    Bill S. a witness is allowed to refer to notes but this witness had anticipated questions and made notes for those, and told West he would testify to those anticipated questions. Defense must impeach him because of testimony TM could not move since it contradicts GZ statements.)

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    The jury us watching the medical examiner closely. No expressions but he can't be making a good impression. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 45s
    Dr. Bao has no idea where Martin's shoes are. He is reading from notes that he does not want to show the lawyers. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    Dr. Bao is getting combative. He says he does not know whether Martin's wet clothing was sealed in a plastic. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    The medical examiner's autopsy records are not complete and he does not recall exactly what he did. He insists he was there. #Zimmermanon

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 10m
    The medical examiner is speaking over the judge! #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 11m
    The medical examiner said he has no memory of the autopsy in this high profile case. He remembers zero . #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 16m
    The defense is trying to point out that the medical examiner's office also did sloppy work in this case. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 19m
    The medical examiner's office did not bag Martin's hands. It was almost 3 hours before Martin's body was transported. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 21m
    Dr. Bao told the jury Martin's hands were not bagged to preserve evidence. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 23m
    The defense is now questioning Dr. Bao. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 23m
    It's so cold in here! The jurors are wrapped in pashminas and sweaters!! #Zimmermanon9

    CFL Media Committee CFL Media Committee ‏@cflmedia 27m
    The O'Mara Law Group informed the court they do NOT plan to hold a press conference after court ends today.
    Retweeted by Kathi Belich, WFTV

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Court is in recess until 1 pm

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Judge is dismissing jury for lunch. West wants copy and time to review notes he has been using to help him testify.

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 8m
    The lawyers are looking over Bao's notes now. Testimony on hold while they're reading. #GeorgeZimmerman #TrayvonMartin #ZimmermanTrial
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 7m
    The defense is done reading the notes and wants a copy and Dr. Bao is saying they can't do that. The judge says they can. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 9m
    Some jurors are watching the lawyers read the notes. #Zimmermanon9

    Bill S....says nothing wrong with what ME has done with notes...all professional witnesses usually use them....he walks to a different beat of the drummer.

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 4m
    Someone asked whether the Martins can sue #Zimmermanon9 if he's acquitted. Remember the OJ case? Yes. Civil Standard of proof is different.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 4m
    .@DrBaosNotes have officially arrived on Twitter. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 6m
    We are back in court. Dr. Bao is back on the stand. Lawyers are at bench. #Zimmermanon9


    Bill S. saying this is unfortunate for prosecution about the 'notes' controversy since Dr. Bao had added very strong testimony about TM not being able to move or speak after being shot, contrary to what GZ said. All witnesses use notes, but the difference is Bao said he prepared answers in advance to what he thought would be questioned.

    Bill thinks prosecutor raising his right hand for judge and she is raising her R hand also...she is putting DLR under oath to swear (he thinks) that he did not know about the Dr.'s notes and did not withhold evidence from defense....

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 25s
    Sidebar is over. Def atty West is doing a limited inquiry of Bao now.

    Rene Stutzman Rene Stutzman ‏@renestutzman 6m
    #Trayon's parents are not in the c-room. Neither is the jury. This bench conference is now past the 20min. mark and still ticking.#Zimmerman
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower
    from Sanford, FL

    Yamiche Alcindor Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 8m
    Dr. Bao does not look very pleased as he waits to testify.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 15m
    Spoke too soon. Sidebar continues.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 17m
    Sidebar is over.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 26m
    Attys at sidebar.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 28m
    Updated: ME testifies Martin suffered after being shot (from @AP) #zimmerman #trayvonmartin http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/con...tguid=Ze793PLr

    Yamiche Alcindor Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 30m
    As you may remember, Bao did not want to share his personal notes with lawyers but Judge Nelson allowed them to review the notes.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 30m
    We are back in session.

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    AFTER LUNCH

    1:02 PM EDT

    [Note while waiting: Anything or notes that an expert witness (especially) uses to help them testify while on the stand is discoverable by the defense - Sunny Hostin on CNN]
    [That's why work product notes are NEVER brought to the stand by experts. - Mark Nejame on CNN]

    1:08 PM EDT

    We got a picture. Attorneys are at sidebar. George is watching. Defense assistants flitting around.
    Attorneys return to their desk. Going through papers. O'Mara licks finger to turn pages.
    It appears something has been lost by the Defense but perhaps the State has it, whatever it is. Attorneys approach bench.

    Perhaps its Bao's notes? What can and can't be asked?

    Judge is having Bernie swear to something at the bench, "To tell the truth" about something, perhaps? Can only see, cannot hear. Judge appears to be questioning Bernie as in testifying. West appears to be objecting? West appears to go on and on. Bernie and West in back and forth. Judge listening. Everyone else seems uncomfortable. O'Mara and West conferring. West speaking to Judge. Bernie going through some papers, referring Judge to something or some page. Bernie talking with Judge. George's eyes flit a little bit. George tries to hide a burp. He just sits stoically. Back to attorneys at bench. And, now back to their own places.

    1:30 PM EDT

    Judge asks clerk for another copy of the notes. Bao is on the stand. No jury present.

    West is doing a limited enquiry of Bao. (A Richardson Hearing)
    Your opinion has changed on the matter of how long Trayvon might have lived after substaining the gunshot wound. He changed his opinion as of 3 weeks ago, after an autopsy he did in another case.
    He had given a deposition to Defense in November of 2012. (He said one to three minutes)

    West: Did not contact State to tell them he had changed his opinion.
    Prior to yesterday, did you meet or enquire of State Attorney's Office. Yes, with a staff member.
    Met yesterday with Bernie in his office. Did he talk about Bernie about anticipated testimony today? Yes. Met about 40 minutes. Doesn't remember if he told Bernie yesterday about his change of opinion regarding how long Trayvon lived after the gunshot that he testified to, today.

    West: at depo last November, Bao acknowledged the presence about THC in Trayvon's body and said it would have no effect.
    Since then Bao has changed his opinion to that of the THC might have had some effect after reading lots of literature and consulting with Dr Brooks. Has spent time in last 60 days about the effects of marijuana. Yesterday, Bao told Bernie that the marijuana is part of the autopsy report and that we should talk about that. However, he did not tell Bernie he had changed his opinion. (This guy reminds me of Sarah Palin.)

    Any other witnesses you wish to call regarding a Richardson Hearing? No, but I have a couple of followup questions.
    Clarifying what the guy just said. Same thing over and over.

    Richardson issue is was the information made known to the State's Attorney's Office or not?

    West tries to change the ground rules of the subject of hearing, Judge says no.

    Judge declares there was no violation of the Richardson Hearing. Let's move on.

    West wants to ask Bao, something about toxicology, okay but not in front of Jury.
    Bao says THC his opinion is the marijuana could have had no effect or some effect. He can not tell how much. Judge declares order in liminy to remain (I have no idea what that means)

    1:50 PM — Okay, lets bring the Jury in.

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    West saying that at the defense deposition he stated he thought Trayvon lived for 1-3 minutes after the shot. Asks him when and why he changed his opinion to TM living 1-10 min. The dr. says this was due to another case/autopsy he witnessed (correction) recently that was the exact same as TMs injury. Did he tell the prosecutors about this change. No...West asks him did he last contact the DAs office? I believe he said yesterday, talked to staff, wanted to know what pictures they would be using so he could prepare. He did not remember telling DLR in their last meeting.

    Asks about marijuana in TMs body, he previously said it had not affect on his behavior, but has now changed, due to consultation with a biologist, that it could have affected TM. He did this preparation in the last 60 days. He said he did not tell DLR about his change of opinion or his research. DLR told him they could not talk about it after his deposition.

    Judge tells West, 3 times, we're talking about the Richardson (some law) violation and he can not extend to other questions in the front of the jury.

    DLR points out that his own notes show he was told by ME that Trayvon had lived 1-3 min. after shot.

    Court determines there are no Richardson violations. Witness can testify further.

    Stephanie Wash ‏@WashNews 6m
    Judge repeating this is a Richardson hearing. #ZimmermanTrial #TrayvonMartin

    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower
    Stephanie Wash ‏@WashNews 5m
    Bao says he didn't think important to tell DLR. "He's not my lawyer. I'm not his employee. I'm an independent voice." #Zimmerman #Trayvon
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Bao says that he can't recall if he told prosecution that his opinion of how long #trayvonmartin lived after shot changed.

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 9m
    West: Did you call prosecutors to tell them you'd changed opinion? Bao: "No, I did not." #GeorgeZimmerman #TrayvonMartin #ZimmermanTrial
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Rodney Hawkins Rodney Hawkins ‏@RodneyCBSNews 9m
    West asking abt when Bao decided how long Trayvon lived after he died. Originally he wrote down 1-3 mins but changed his opinion 3 wks ago
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 12m
    Sidebar is over. Def atty West is doing a limited inquiry of Bao now.
    Last edited by Reader; 07-05-2013 at 03:24 PM.

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    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Bao testimony resuming now.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    After all of that, the jury has finally been brought back in. #trayvonmartin #zimmerman

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Judge also says that her pretrial motion not allowing any info about THC levels in Martin's system stands. #zimmerman

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 7m
    West asks Bao about his new opinion on effect of THC in #TrayvonMartin's system. Bao: Could be "no effect or some effect." #ZimmermanTrial
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 7m
    Judge finds the prosecutor has not committed a discovery violation re: Bao changing his opinion about how long Martin lived after shot

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    West now asking about the technician who did the scraping of TMs fingernails. Bao says he has confidence in the technician doing his job as required and did not watch him. Wests asks why there are no pictures of his fingernails or palms. He examines all the body and notes any injuries but only has pictures of actual injuries. West says so nobody can see to determine for themselves if you missed something?

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    Dr. Bao says he thinks he decided not to photograph Martin's palms and nails because he did not see anything remarkable. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    Dr. Bao says he has no photographs of The palms of Martin's hands. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    The defense is showing the jurors a photo if Martin's pants which the state has not yet shown them. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    The defense is showing #Zimmermanon9 's dna might not have been found because the nails were too short.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 4m
    The document shows no fingernail clippings were preserved. Dr. Bao does not know if Martin's nails were too short. 1/2 #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 9m
    Dr. Bao says he hopes all of Martin's nails were scraped but he has no idea and would not worry about that or protocol. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 13m
    Dr. Bao says again he remembers nothing about the autopsy. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 18m
    Dr. Bao says today the marijuana could have had an effect or had no effect. The judge says that evidence will not come in. #Zimmermanon9

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    The jury is taking notes. He says he believes he did not miss anything so there was no need to photograph everything. #Zimmermanon9

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Bao says there were no pictures of the palms or fingernails because neither contained disease or injuries. #zimmerman

    Rene Stutzman Rene Stutzman ‏@renestutzman 5m
    Jury is now looking at photo of #Trayvon's pants. DonWest wants them to see soiled knees. That'd be consistent w/ #Zimmerman's account.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower
    from Sanford, FL

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Bao says there aren't any photos of autopsy of #trayvonmartin that show the palms of his hands. #zimmerman

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 10m
    Brief sidebar is over.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 10m
    A pair if objections by the prosecutor and a sidebar.

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    West asking about Trayvon's abrasions..tries to get ME to say these were result of scraping on concrete but he said since they are very small and not deep, could have been on clothes or any other object.

    West asks about TMs height...I never said height because a dead man cannot stand. West said you mentioned length of the body.

    Goes to time TM could have lived after the shot and ME agrees the minimum time is one min., the max. time is 10 min. Has he ever done research or written articles on this subject. No...so your opinion is based on other people's work. On my autopsy and working and observing with other MEs. West persists...he said changed his opinion because of a specific case 3 weeks ago, tell us about the case. Guy about 40 years old was shot in heart by father, he did not do autopsy but was very interested. The 911 people heard him being in pain and heard him die after 10 min. Can't say every case a person would live 10min. but gave a range of up to 10 min. He did witness that autopsy.

    Asks are you saying that immediately after being shot he can make some very painful noise but could move very little, yes, but nobody knows. West says he is being unresponsive, wants to approach says is important, judge says no, just go ahead and ask your question. She reminds witness to only answer the question he is asked.

    West asks again, TM could move some after being shot, nobody knows exactly. Is there research on this, no. Bao says he saw with the other case mentioned the man could not move, get up.
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