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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 6m
    Says a case he reviewed in which another man was shot in heart lived for 10 min.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 7m
    Bao acknowledges that he changed his opinion of how long #trayvonmartin lived after being shot from 1-3 min to 1-10 min.

    Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 5m
    Bao with slight change on follow up re #TrayvonMartin moving after shot: "I think he was able to move a little bit... very, very little."
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Jurors looking around bewildered a bit as tension heats back up between Bao and West.


    West asking about the shot being a 'contact' shot, intermediate is less than 1/2 inch up to 4 feet. This was not a contact shot next to skin because no strippling on skin (I think), now says distance of shot is between .4 inches and 4 ft. (correction).
    TMs skin had powder burns of 2x2 inches, and this told him it was an intermediate wound.


    West through for now. DLR up for redirect.
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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 6m
    Dr. Bao says he doesn't worry about the gun powder pattern in determining more precisely how far away the gun was. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 8m
    Dr. Bao says the gun was anywhere between .4 inches and 4 feet away from Martin's chest. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 8m
    Says the gun did not contact Martin's skin. 2/2 #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 8m
    Dr. Bao just undermined prosecutor John Guy's opening statement that #Zimmermanon9 pressed his gun against Martin's chest but Bao 1/2

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 11m
    Dr. Bao says Martin may have been able to move but he does not know how much or for how long. Nobody knows. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 14m
    Dr. Bao says Martin would not be able to move or speak.. And then backed off and said maybe. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 16m
    Dr. Bao says one case three weeks ago changed his mind and gives him a huge margin if error in this case. #Zimmermanon9


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    Jury is back.

    Mr West: Mr Bao, we've looked at your notes, would you please let us know during your testimony if you are using or relying on your notes?
    Bao: OK

    West: About the packaging of the clothes. Does not remember if he was present when the body was de-clothed. West starting to jump around from specifics to general procedures.
    He did not write the protocol for one stick for all five fingers. West asking Bao to speculate.
    Objection sustained.
    West: Do you know if each finger on each hand was scrapped?
    Bao: I don't know.
    West: Can you tell me what Trayvon's fingernails looked like?
    Bao: I looked at whole body.
    Bao: I do not remember what his fingernails looked like.
    West: Part of the protocol contains fingernail clippings?
    Bao: I don't know, the Assistants do that. I do not do that, its not part of my job.

    West showing Bao an evidence accountability sheet. No check by the nail clipping category.

    Bao: The Chief worries about the Protocol of the Office. I am the Assistant/Associate. It's not my job.

    West: Wonders if nails so short, they couldn't get clippings? Bao: I don't know, I don't remember.

    West: Now on to toxicology.

    Bao: Best place is from peripheral blood, like in the area of the femur. There was non in this case.

    West: Who drew the blood submitted as part of the toxicology?

    Bao: I believe it was Ben D.

    West: Now showing Bao a picture of Trayvon's pants.

    West: Are there any photos of Trayvon's hands?

    Bao: No. I don't take a picture that I don't think shows injury or disease.

    West: Likewise, no picture of Trayvon's fingernails.

    Bao: Yes. The issue is NOT cost, the issue is efficiency. For any case, we take just 5 to 10 photos. We do not take pictures of the entire body surface.

    West: The abrasion on the left ring finger. A rubbing, scrapping injury? A couple of little ones on the pinkie finger?

    Bao: Yes. It could have happened up to two hours before Trayvon met Mr Zimmerman.

    West: Consistent with blow?

    Bao: You could. It could also be on the way down to the ground after being shot.

    West: Major discussion of wet soft grass, wet soggy soil.

    Bao: This injury there is no blood.

    West: Could have been wiped off.

    Bao: I don't think so. It was too superficial.

    West: Reiterating height (length) and weight.

    West: I would like to ask you about the gunshot wound itself. Actually before that, I would like to talk about the time he would have lived. What is your source of information.

    West: Are you published? Bao. No.

    West: Are you saying that by working with others over the time, from outside this autopsy, from textbooks you have read, you have knowledge of how long someone might live after a gunshot wound like this?

    Bao: In deposition, I told you 1 to 3 minutes. Until 3 weeks ago, I changed my opinion to 1 to 10 minutes. Because of personal experience. A case I worked on. I did not do the autopsy on this case.
    3 weeks ago, a 40 yr old, shot by father, through the heart, called 911 right away. He was in pain, made painful noise, 911 people heard it, he was pronounced dead after 10 minutes. That is his frame of reference for his changing his opinion 3 weeks ago.

    West: Did you say, immediately following the shot, Trayvon would not have been able to move.

    Bao: From the case 3 weeks ago, I think he might have been able to move a little.

    West: Wants him to focus on his opinion in THIS case.

    Bao: I think he could have been able to move a little bit.

    West: How much?

    Bao: I don't know.

    Judge, no you can't approach the bench. Just go ahead with your question.

    West: Your OPINION, He may have been able to move a little.

    Bao: Yes, but no one knows.

    West: He just won't answer my question, Judge!

    Judge: Move on.

    West: About the wound.

    Bao: There is some distance between the gun and the skin. Loose contact, hard contact. In this case, I don't believe there was contact. I am different from the firearm technician. I use the definition. If stippling, I use the term intermediate range.

    .4 inch to four feet.

    If not contact, the next term is intermediate. Some people would call that close range.

    West: If the shot is beyond four feet, you would not see the stippling.

    Bao: Yes.

    West: Have you changed your opinion?

    Bao: No. I consulted some books, one being Dr Vincent DiMao's book.

    West: You can not offer another opinion?

    EDIT: You say tomaytoes and I say tomatoes.

    West now calling the stippling, tattooing. And, reiterating .4 inches to 4 feet.

    West is done.

    REDIRECT BY BERNIE

    Bernie: You did a 6 page autopsy report and 7 pages of notes?

    Bao: Yes.

    Bernie: Now, photos. When Trayvon's body came in, did you take the photos?
    There are no photos of the palms?

    Bao: There was no blood or injury to the palms of Trayvon's hands.

    Bernie: Whether it was 1 minute, or 3 minutes, or 10 minutes, he was going to die, right?

    Bao: Yes.

    Bernie: You did not go to the scene yourself, right?

    Bao: Yes. Before coming here I reviewed the photos other person took at the scene.

    Bernie: No further questions.

    Dr Bao is excused, subject to recall.

    Bernie asks for 10 minute recess. Judge, OK.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    West is done crossing Bao. De la Rionda is up for redirect.

    First goes over the issue of the notes and that he did not tell the DAs office of his changes of opinion before today? correct...

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Sybrina Fulton looks away as autopsy photos of #trayvonmartin shown. #zimmerman

    DLR going over the time TM could have lived after the shot, that he could move very little, certainly could not stand up, and the closeness of the shot, his 2 shirts were between the gun and his skin.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Bao is off the stand. Court is in 10 min recess. (He is subject to recall)

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    O'Mara arguing about the location of weather station being used by State for weather at Retreat at Twin Lakes.

    Judge: doesn't see any prejudice about knowing temp, dew point, pressure, etc. Her concern is how far away the weather station is.

    Attorneys attempting to locate the weather station on their computer. O'Mara thinks its about 5 miles away.

    Judge overrules. (not sure what she is overruling) Anything else? Is the State going to rest?
    Bernie: Yes, your honor.

    O'Mara bringing issues, about what has been provided by the State to the Court. Circumstantial evidence vs. direct evidence.
    I think he is going to ask the Judge to dismiss the State's case altogether. I will leave it to the Tweeters to tweet about all of this.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 6m
    O'Mara says the state hasn't presented any direct or circumstantial evidence that #zimmerman followed #trayvonmartin or reengaged him.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 8m
    O'Mara says that #zimmerman statements to police show that he's provided case for self-defense.

    Christina Vazquez Christina Vazquez ‏@VazquezReports 10m
    O'Mara said Martin's mom is naturally going to say its her son's voice on the 911 call @SybrinaFulton in the courtroom as he said that
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Rodney Hawkins Rodney Hawkins ‏@RodneyCBSNews 13m
    Basically O'Mara arguing that the judge should decide whether the state presented a sufficient case that Zimmerman should be charged
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 14m
    O'Mara: "He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin."

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 19m
    Rarely granted by a judge at this point. But it's happened.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 20m
    Defense atty O'Mara is making standard argument for acquittal as state case wraps up.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 24m
    Judge allows state to admit weather report as well of conditions on night of the shooting over defense objections.

    Local 10 Zimmerman Local 10 Zimmerman ‏@WPLGZimmerman 28m
    Prosecution wants enter into evidence a weather report for a park in Sanford near the crime scene. Defense objects saying that park is far
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 31m
    De la Rionda says the state will announce its resting after admission of two exhibits. One is a timeline of the incident.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 32m
    We are back in session.


    "The further we (as the human race) grow away from the natural world, the quieter the natural world becomes and the more pathological we become as a culture."........Bernie Krause

    The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy—a policy worthy of imitation......which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance.......George Washington

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    OM citing various cases that were acquitted due to self defense. Says that this case does not meet definition of ill will, hatred required for the charge.


    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    O'Mara arguing for a reduction in charges or to get murder 2 thrown out. #Zimmmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    O'Mara tells court to look past #Zimmerman's expletives and his intense interest in his community. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    O'Mara says there's no direct evidence to support 2nd-degree murder charge and that #TrayvonMartin was aggressor. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 12m
    The defense says #Zimmermanon9 told police he was before he knew it was recorded by a 911 call.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 20m
    The defense says we will never know who was screaming for help. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 20m
    The defense argues the state hasn't proven ill will or hatred. The defense says it's not sure what the state's case is. #Zimmermanon9

    WFTV Eyewitness News WFTV Eyewitness News ‏@WFTV 25m
    Defense now arguing for judgment of acquittal. WATCH LIVE: http://at.wftv.com/15QGYxF #Zimmermanon9
    Retweeted by Kathi Belich, WFTV

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 27m
    The jury will see the weather report for that night from a park near the Sanford police department miles from the scene. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 30m
    The judge says witnesses gave varying weather descriptions but wants to know how far away the weather station is from scene. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 32m
    The defense says witnesses have already testified about the weather conditions. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 33m
    The prosecutor wants to add a weather report for some park in Sanford not close to the scene. The defense objects. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 34m
    The defense says the state's timeline is misleading pertaining to the first officer's time of arrival and it's been fixed. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 36m
    The state will rest after it enters two items of evidence. #Zimmermanon9

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    O'Mara: "There is absolutely no evidence to support Mr. #Zimmerman acted in ill-will or hatred." #TrayvonMartin

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    Defense says the state can't prove "ill will, spite or hatred"--all necessary for 2nd degree murder. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 24s
    .@markomaralaw: Ill will and hatred almost always comes out of cases where people know each other. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    O'Mara says ill will and hatred doesn't grow so quickly as during a short, first-time encounter. #Zimmermanon9

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    Mantei up for response to OM:

    First, the defense is the one that has to prove a case of self defense.

    Pointing a gun point blank at someone's heart and squeasing (sp) the trigger and putting a hollow point bullet into them is nothing but of ill will or don't care.

    GZ thought he knew TM because he thought he was one of the punks that had been there before. He got out of the car, followed him, and shot him.

    The first line of the first assignment he had in.......class in college is that he wanted to learn how to pursue criminals and how to stop them from getting away.

    GZs own statements admit what he did.

    GZ lied about where he was, told police 'you find me'...evidence that he was going to ensure that TM didn't get away because the LE was too slow.

    The one time someone was caught was because 2 other guys followed them and defendant knew this.

    He said TM jumped out of the bushes, then did not jump out of the bushes, then he came at him close to the car.

    He was NW person but does not know the names of the 3 streets in the neighborhood??

    There are 2 people in this case, one of them is dead and one is a liar.

    He provides cases to judge also... states the state has to provide evidence to conflict the self defense argument, does not have to disprove it.

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    Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 6m
    Mantei: #GeorgeZimmerman wrote in a homework assignement that "he wants to hunt fugitives." Says direct state-of-mind evidence.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    Mantei: The only reason you shoot someone in the heart is that you mean to kill them or you don't care. #Zimmermanon9

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Mantei: "There's no question that shooting someone in the heart is on its face ill will."

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    O'Mara is done arguing. Prosecutor Richard Mantei is up to argue for the state in response.
    Last edited by Reader; 07-05-2013 at 04:33 PM.

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    "There are two people involved here: one of them is dead and one of them's a liar," says Mantei. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 6m
    Mantei: #Zimmerman keeps contradicting himself. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 8m
    Mantei says #Zimmerman following #TrayvonMartin is a sign of ill will. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 12m
    Prosecution for the shock value again, dropping the f-bomb in quoting #Zimmerman. #Zimmermanon9


    Mantei...a jury is not obligated to accept the defendent's statements of self defense as true, should consider all info that shows any conflicts with the statement of self defense...case quoted..GZ caught in several inconsistent statement, told a flat out lie on national TV about not knowing the law about self defense in Fl.

    He was the one who had the MMA training. He's not some rube who doesn't know about the law, he's been studying this for years...GZ said the voice yelling doesn't sound like me, evidence and witness shows TM was leaning over GZ before shot...he could have been pulling away at the time he was shot...John Good relied on by defense said he never heard any blows landing, it is true the law says you don't actually have to have an injury but why make them more than they are? because he knew the police would be right there..defendent said he was trying to get off the concrete, TM was leaning over him and tried to get his gun and GZ pulled it and shot: I think everybody realizes that is an impossibility.


    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    Mantei says it's fair inference from evidence that #Zimmerman started it and #TrayvonMartin had right to defend himself. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    Btw, the jury is still out of the courtroom. The prosecution will rest when they return. #Zimmermanon9

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 8m
    Mantel: "There's two people involved here. One of them is dead and one if them is a liar."

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 15m
    Mantei: #GeorgeZimmerman wrote in a homework assignement that "he wants to hunt fugitives." Says direct state-of-mind evidence.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 6m
    #Zimmerman lied on national TV. No jury should take his word on anything--especially that #TrayvonMartin was the aggressor. #Zimmermanon9
    Last edited by Reader; 07-05-2013 at 04:50 PM.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    O'Mara is back up for rebuttal argument.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Mantel is done arguing in response to defense motion.

    Yamiche Alcindor Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 13m
    Mantei says Zimmerman's lie on Sean Hannity should mean jury shouldn't take his word.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Stephanie Wash Stephanie Wash ‏@WashNews 15m
    Mantel: "The defendant is the one with the MMA training." #trayvonmartin #zimmermantrial
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 25m
    Mantel: "There's two people involved here. One of them is dead and one if them is a liar."

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 31m
    Mantei: #GeorgeZimmerman wrote in a homework assignement that "he wants to hunt fugitives." Says direct state-of-mind evidence.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 34m
    Mantei: "There's no question that shooting someone in the heart is on its face ill will."


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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 14s
    O'Mara: "Show me how you have proven no reasonable hypothesis for self-defense?"

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 29s
    O'Mara: Both have had losses, my client carries it in life, Martin family in death. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    O'Mara says #Zimmerman's versions were inconsistent because of trauma after the incident.
    #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    O'Mara: #Zimmerman showed restraint in justifiable use of force: he shot #TrayvonMartin 40 secs. after being beaten. #Zimmermanon9

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    Mantei also says if the judge decides no ill will or hatred is involved, at least she should allow the charge of manslaughter to remain before the jury.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 10m
    Mantei: Jury should decide which one of these individuals was most defending himself. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 13m
    Mantei: Question is, was #Zimmerman reasonable in using that level of force. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 18m
    #Zimmerman lied on national TV. No jury should take his word on anything--especially that #TrayvonMartin was the aggressor. #Zimmermanon9

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    Judge: Motion for Judgement for Acquittal, DENIED.
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    OM...the state is grasping at straws and none of the evidence shows ill will or hatred...

    Nothing they have presented shows there was not a self defense involved.
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    Judge says thank you both for your arguments; she has reviewed all the cases presented.

    Judge denies request for acquittal and asks OM if he has a witness ready.

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    Bill S. not a surprise that the motion for acquittal was denied. Both gave very passionate statements for their side.

    Judge brings the jury back in and gives them a choice of staying for the defense to start or to be dismissed. They choose to stay.

    OM calls GZs mother.
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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    Judge denies the judgment of acquittal. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    O'Mara: The state is grasping at straws. #TrayvonMartin cause his own death. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    MT @RHughesWFTV: Mark O'Mara again suggests there's "no direct evidence" that it wasn't self-defense in this case. #ZIMMERMANon9.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Judge asks jury if they want to hear the defense first witness or go home for the night. They say in unison they want to stay.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Jury is coming in now.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Judge denies defense motion for acquittal. The case moves forward to defense case.

    OM is asking GZs mother about the voice yelling tape and if she has heard GZ voice all his life and can recognize it? yes

    Plays tape...she says it is her son yelling...are you certain? he's my son...

    DLR up for cross...asks has she ever heard GZ yelling for his life before? not like that before.

    OM...she asserts it is GZs voice, sounds like terror...

    She is excused subject to recall....

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    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 59s
    Mrs. Zimmerman is off the stand.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Gladys Zimmerman says that it was #GeorgeZimmerman crying for help.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    O'Mara plays 911 call with screams. #Zimmerman mother presses hand to mouth during the call.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Defense witness Gladys Zimmerman. #GeorgeZimmerman mother has taken the stand.
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    Next witness is GZs uncle, known him since birth, was in military and now works in county courthouse...happen to hear the screams in question on TV one evening at home and knew it was GZ. He did not know at the time that the program was about GZs case...he recognizes the voice from GZ playing with his son.

    WFTV Eyewitness News ‏@WFTV 43s
    On the stand: George #Zimmerman's uncle, Jorge Mesa, deputy @OrangeCoSheriff. #Zimmermanon9 pic.twitter.com/S2ruisLUpo
    Retweeted by Kathi Belich, WFTV

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