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    George Zimmerman Real Time Trial Thread Mon. July 8 *No Discussion *

    Dear Webseuths Members,

    We know many of you want to discuss the facts of the case and as long as the discussion is civil you may discuss the case in general in this link below:

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213157"]George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


    This thread is for REAL TIME COURTROOM updates.

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    Thank you for your patience and understanding.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Jury is back in the courtroom.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 16m
    Back in session at #zimmermantrial. Attys at sidebar now. First defense witness of the day soon. #trayvonmartin

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 21m
    In #Zimmerman trial, defense to continue its case (from @AP) #trayvonmartin http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/con...tguid=6ffAdDvu

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 6m
    The judge is here. The lawyers are at the bench. Martin's family and their lawyer are here. Only 1-2 empty public seats. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 8m
    With Martin and when the first 911 call was connected. The defense argues Jeantel's story doesn't fit the timeline. 2/2 #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 9m
    The defense says it will focus in the timeline. There was only 28 seconds between the end of Jeantel's last call 1/2 #Zimmermanon9


    "The further we (as the human race) grow away from the natural world, the quieter the natural world becomes and the more pathological we become as a culture."........Bernie Krause

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    The defense has called Sondra Osterman, the wife of #Zimmermanon9 's good friend Mark the federal air marshal.

    She met George Zimmerman at work at the mortgage company and has maintained that friendship. Had seen him and his wife almost every week with husband as friends. Has heard his voice when talking, laughing, maybe a little frustrated. Has helped them out in the past but due to events had to stop contact. Asked her would friendship affect how she testified. She asked if I would lie? Tape of crying played. She identifies voice as GZ.

    DLR objects this is bias, overruled.


    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Osterman says she is best friends with #zimmerman wife, Shellie. Also says she's very familiar with #georgezimmerman voice.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Defense calls Sondra Osterman, wife of #zimmerman friend Mark Osterman. He testified during state's case.

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    DLR on cross...you have a stake in this ID of the voice? she asks what do you mean? he says you and husband wrote a book about GZ and sales are affected?

    How many times has she listened to the tape? 3-4 times...why did it take you that many times to ID the voice as GZ?

    DLR plays tape of GZ saying 'these ***holes always get away. She says GZ.

    Asks her about him saying "****punks', she IDs GZ.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 4m
    The defense is going to have her identify #Zimmermanon9 's voice on the 911 recording.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    She calls #Zimmermanon9 "Georgie" and says she met him several years ago when they both worked at a mortgage company.
    Last edited by Reader; 07-08-2013 at 09:45 AM.

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    OM on redirect asks her if GZ saying those curse words indicated to her he was feeling ill will or hatred? no

    Asks her how she knew if was GZ if never heard him scream before? she says because of his wife's reaction when they listened to it together...

    DLR on recross how can you ID that is GZ saying the curse words...has heard him say those words before...asks is that a normal term that he uses? no but I have heard him say those words...


    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 21s
    Osterman says she doesn't think #zimmerman showed anger in using expletives during non emergency calls. #trayvonmartin

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 5m
    BDLR plays #GeorgeZimmerman's non-emergency call, a**holes-always-get-away section. She recognizes voice as "Georgie."

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Prosecutor De la Rionda is crossing Osterman now. Brings up book she and husband Mark Osterman wrote on the case.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 7m
    O'Mara plays 911 call with screams for Osterman. Says afterward "it's Georgie...I just hear him screaming." #trayvonmartin

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 9m
    Osterman: "I wouldn't lie for (Zimmerman) or anybody."


    "The further we (as the human race) grow away from the natural world, the quieter the natural world becomes and the more pathological we become as a culture."........Bernie Krause

    The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy—a policy worthy of imitation......which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance.......George Washington

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 42s
    The jury has been playing close attention. The state has to play #Zimmermanon9 's whole police call after defense objection.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    The state is really trying to turn her into a state witness. She says she can't hear #Zimmermanon9 say "f---ing punks" . It's hard to hear.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    She told the state they are speculating as to #Zimmermanon9 's state of mind as she is.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    She told the defense #Zimmermanon9 's use of the word "a--holes" did not sound angry or hateful.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 7m
    The state is playing #Zimmermanon9 's nonemergency call to police when he used curse words and she said she recognized his voice.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 9m
    She told the state she knew it was #Zimmermanon9 the first time she heard the screams on tv. The state is trying to show she's biased.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 11m
    The state asked her about the book she and her husband wrote. She said they are going to donate the proceeds to #Zimmermanon9 .

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 12m
    She says it was #Zimmermanon9 who was calling for help. She said she hears him screaming as she listened to the 911 call. Her voice cracked.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 14m
    She says even though she's #Zimmermanon9 's good friend she wouldn't lie for anybody.

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    OM back for more direct, asks her since she has heard entire tape and these various GZ was saying, curse words, etc., did she think he had any ill will, anger, spite or hatred toward the victim...no to all questions.

    Was that one long scream or do you hear gaps between cries...objection, sustained.

    OM now recalling her husband, Mark Osterman...

    Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 6m
    Osterman also says Zimmerman's voice stays constant and does not sound out of breath after he says he is following Trayvon.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Not much note taking by jurors during these calls. But all are attentive when they are played. Few w/ heads down as they listen.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    DLR about to play #Zimmerman non emergency call for the 4th time during his cross of Osterman. She says she can't hear expletive.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 8m
    Osterman says she doesn't think #zimmerman showed anger in using expletives during non emergency calls. #trayvonmartin

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 14m
    BDLR plays #GeorgeZimmerman's non-emergency call, a**holes-always-get-away section. She recognizes voice as "Georgie." #ZimmermanTrial
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Osterman off the stand. Next up is her husband Mark Osterman. #zimmermantrial

    OM asking him about discussing and helping GZ get a firearm. Discussing safety use of guns and his instructions to GZ. Asking about purpose of firearms, competition, safety, self defense and this is the kind that he suggested that GZ get. Has no exterior safety, same as most LE has.

    He says he discussed with GZ that if he was in a situation/confrontation where he was in danger, he suggested he kept the gun loaded and one in the chamber. In case you need to protect yourself or someone else. In LE where he works this is normal for everybody.


    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Osterman says he advised #zimmerman to get the gun he had because it was small and ideal for self-defense.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Osterman says that #zimmerman and his wife both took concealed weapons class together. #trayvonmartin

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Osterman says he also advised #zimmerman to keep a loaded round in the chamber of his gun. #trayvonmartin

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 35s
    Osterman says that he believes that #zimmerman shoots right handed, though he is left handed. #trayvonmartin

    Objection, speculation, sustained.

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    OM asks him about instructing GZ in using either hand for shooting the gun. They discussed if he was injured in his dominant hand to use the other one.

    Asks him about hearing GZs voice...yes, in all kinds of situations....
    Plays the tape...asks him if he has heard entire tape...sounds like GZ almost like when he talked to him over the phone, which he did a lot.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 6m
    The jury is taking notes and paying close attention. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 7m
    He says the gun was safe and is easy to fire when you need it but not easy to fire accidentally. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 8m
    He says #Zimmermanon9 was careful to handle his gun safely. He says the gun he recommended was the one that Zimmerman bought.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 9m
    The defense is asking about how #Zimmermanon9 and his wife took a firearms class and Zimmerman's concealed weapon permit.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 12m
    The defense is calling Mark Osterman, #Zimmermanon9 's good friend, who was first called by the state.

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    OM asks about the double action of the gun, asks if he helped GZ get the holster, no.

    DLR on cross:

    He gave GZ instructions about taking someone down if they would not cooperate and he believed they had a weapon.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    A few jurors take note as DLR gets Osterman to acknowledge its police policy to have loaded round in the chamber of gun. #zimmerman

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 53s
    He told the state if the threatening person is on the ground they would no longer be a threat. #Zimmermanon9

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Osterman says the internal holster that #zimmerman wore would be difficult to see in the dark. #zimmerman

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    De la Rionda is crossing Osterman now. #zimmerman

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    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 7m
    Osterman says that he believes it was #zimmerman screaming for help on 911 call because of tone. "It just sounded like George."

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 9m
    Osterman says he's heard #zimmerman voice in many situations. O'Mara playing 911 call with screams for him now.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    And says it was #Zimmermanon9 screaming because of the volume and the tone and is familiar with his phone voice.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    He listened to the 911 call screamsand

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    He says #Zimmermanon9 is his best friend and has heard Zimmerman laugh hysterically and shout from a distance.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    He says he had #Zimmermanon9 also train with his left hand just in case.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 7m
    He says #Zimmermanon9 is left handed but used his right hand to fire his gun. Police found his holster on his right side.


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    OM asking about the requirements for a holster...mainly comfort, witness says required in Fl. as gun can't be carried openly...He is released subject to recall...


    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    He says #Zimmermanon9 's internal holster was more comfortable and was concealed which it has to be by state law.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    RT @WFTV: UPDATE: #Zimmerman's friend says 'Georgy' was the one screaming in 911 call http://at.wftv.com/10IrBXJ #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 8m
    The state is getting the witness to draw a distinction between law enforcement which he is.. And #Zimmermanon9 who is not.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Russo worked with #zimmerman.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Next defense witness is Geri Russo.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Says she's heard #zimmerman speak in a variety of different situations.

    OM asking her about hearing GZs voice and the 911 call and playing it.

    She's heard the tape less than half a dozen times and the first time heard it on TV....OM asks her to ID voice, she says GZ, no doubt in her mind...

    bob kealing ‏@bobkealing 2m
    Russo now listening to 911 call with recorded screams. How many times for the jury? I've lost count.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    She spoke to #Zimmermanon9 sometime after the deadly shooting.. maybe a couple of months afterward.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 4m
    She says she is #Zimmermanon9 's friend and knows his voice.. laughing not yelling.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 6m
    The defense calls Geri Russo who is #Zimmermanon9 's former coworker at Digital Risk.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 52s
    Prosecutor John Guy is cross examining Russo now. #zimmerman #trayvonmartin

    He asks if she GZ was under investigation at the time she heard the tape...not then, he was not at work

    Did she hope she heard GZs voice knowing he was in danger of being charged...go back and forth on this...she says she did not hope but knew it was him ...

    Has she ever heard TMs voice, no

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Russo on her ID of #zimmerman: "There was no hoping it was one person or the other." She is off the stand.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Russo says she has never heard #zimmerman scream before. State is done with its cross.

    OM on redirect...asks about when she knew GZ was charged, that it was not by local LE but by special prosecutor...objection, sustained, ask her what she knew..

    Did she know when GZ was charged? couple of months later...

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    Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 2m
    Next witness: Leanne Benjamin, #GeorgeZimmerman friend for about a decade. Started as business relationship. #TrayvonMartin #ZimmermanTrial
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Became friends and went to lunch together; she and her husband was involved in a political campaign and GZ helped in that. Has not seen GZ much for a while, got in contact before the killing, she and her husband knew GZ wanted to be in business and they encouraged him to go to college.

    She did not know abut event due to her father's illness at the time; GZ called and told her a couple of weeks later. She was not watching the news. Then friendship picked back up; very important to help him; mostly talked and also financially; her husband noticed his websit and sent some money; took food and clothes for trial.

    AGAIN, plays the call and asks her to ID...guess what?

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    She says #Zimmermanon9 is wearing one of the jackets her husband bought for him.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 4m
    She said she was proud of #Zimmermanon9 for tutoring young children.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    State's motion to block #Zimmerman defense from using computer animated reenactment of #TrayvonMartin shooting [PDF] http://at.wftv.com/13wvov3

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    #Zimmermanon9 got involved in a Lake Mary campaign with her and her husband.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    She said #Zimmermanon9 asked her about how to start a business so they developed a friendship.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    The defense called Leeann Benjamin who has known #Zimmermanon9 and his wife for 10 years through the real estate business.

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    DLR asking about her and husband helping GZ, sent $2500 and about $500 later; asks when she heard the tape, was it on TV, she says probably this year, on TV but was not sure at first. Heard it again in deposition with OM.

    Has she ever heard TMs voice, no

    Have you ever GZ heard crying for help? in the campaign, yelling; you believe based on that you can ID yelling for help. Can't tell if continuous because of other person making the call. She hears the voice as GZ, her opinion. Did she discuss with husband. Tried not to discuss.

    Did you hear any other recordings that day, GZs call to police...she was trying NOT to pay attention on purpose?

    If he plays something for her will she try to recognize the voices? she will try..
    Plays the 911 call...

    Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 4m
    BDLR: Never heard #TrayvonMartin's voice? Benjamin: "No." Says she's heard #GeorgeZimmerman's voice "very similar." #ZimmermanTrial
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 56s
    State is crossing Benjamin now.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Benjamin says that it's #zimmerman voice on the 911 call. #trayvonmartin

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Benjamin says she's heard 911 screams call. O'Mara playing it again for the jury. #zimmerman

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    She says she has not heard #Zimmermanon9 's call to police before the shooting with profanity so the state is playing it.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 4m
    The state says she wants to believe it's #Zimmermanon9 but she says it is Zimmerman.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    She told the state she has never heard Martin's voice. She says the voice screaming is definitely #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 7m
    She told the state when she heard the 911 screams on tv for the first time she thought it was #Zimmermanon9 's voice.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 11m
    She told the state she's donated more that 2-thousand dollars to #Zimmermanon9 .

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 13m
    The defense played the 911 screams for her and she said it's #Zimmermanon9 's voice. She says he was loud and excited during campaign work.

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