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    George Zimmerman Real Time Trial Thread *No Discussion* 7/9/2013

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    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213157"]George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


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    Thank you in advance for keeping this thread moving today.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Jury is not in the courtroom for these arguments btw.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Prosecutor Mantei says defense expert has created "animated depiction" that has created more admissibility issues. #zimmerman

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 6m
    Defense attorneys now here. O'Mara apologized for being 30 sec late

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 6m
    #zimmerman has arrived. Still no defense lawyers. Judge in. Court in session.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 16m
    Judge set an 8:30 hearing for state's motion to block/limit defense expert computer animation recreation of shooting.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 17m
    In the courtroom. Only the prosecution here so far. Seated and ready. Media trickling in. No defense team yet. #zimmermantrial

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 35m
    911 calls becoming heart of #Zimmerman trial (from @AP) #trayvonmartin http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/con...tguid=9KU02Gma

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    Prosecutor Mantei has given his reasons for not allowing the animation evidence and OM is now arguing for it. Says based on John Good's testimony and information from Dr. de Maio the animation shows the angle/distance of the gunshot. He's not certain why the state is against it since they have not provided anything different. They took out some animation and replaced it with a still. Judge says to call your witness.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    The defense expert says #Zimmermanon9 's gun was 2-4 inches away from Martin when he fired the deadly shot.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    The state objects.. and is trying to keep out the animation.. arguing it's inaccurate. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 44s
    A hearing on the defense animation is starting. Defense expert Daniel Shoemaker, who created it will testify. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    The defense says it's based on the state witness testimony of the only eyewitness to the fight before the shooting. #Zimmermanon9

    OM asks about his business and when he started, 26 years ago, did work for businesses, information graphics, education, employment background.
    He draws and uses software and now has gone into 3D.
    Uses software called Airstream 60.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Judge says she wants to have admissibility hearing. Defense calling animation creator now.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Defense argues that it has testimony to support what expert wants to present on computer animation. #zimmerman

    Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 4m
    The defense has called Daniel Shoemaker to testify before the judge about an animation he created of the shooting.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower
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    bob kealing bob kealing ‏@bobkealing 3m
    Shoemaker testifies his business is doing forensic reconstruction of crime scenes.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    He does crime scene reconstruction. He uses case information and measurements to create animation. #Zimmermanon9


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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Shoemaker has been doing current line of forensic/animation courtroom work for 13 years. #zimmerman

    Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 1m
    Shoemaker says he uses between 200 and 500 points on a crime scene to measure and reconstruct it.
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    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Shoemaker says he uses laser-based software to get 3-D imaging of the area he's trying to capture. #zimmerman

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 44s
    The defense expert says he uses "motion capture" suits to simulate what happened at a crime scene. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 4m
    The motion suits are also used in medical applications to monitor a patient's progress. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    He can map the movements of the people involved by programming the recreated movements into their size measurements. #Zimmermanon9

    He gives an example of a previous case when someone tried to pull a man out of his truck and he shot him. OM asks him where he gets the data to determine the movements of the people. Uses height, weight, he has a figure that he sizes to the size he needs. Weight is more the appearance in pictures.

    Another sample...is going to show it on the overhead. Getting this started.
    It's not coming up. OM suggests they approach the judge and she can see it on the computer screen.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Shoemaker is about to show judge an example of an animation he's done previously. #zimmerman

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Due to issues with projection the attys are taking laptop to judge's bench for her to see. Gallery is left out of show.

    Mantei is watching the computer next to the witness. Judge says 'thank you'.
    OM asks was the software different for that case and the Zimmerman case?
    He has gone through 3 classes for the software, 1 required, that he uses for LE. Lexology and Moto are other softwares he uses, take all the data bring it into it and create an animation. He can take a photo from flying above the scene and get a total measurement of the scene.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    Rene Stutzman ‏@renestutzman 2m
    What a life: Defense contractor who made 3D animation: I have a helicopter ... a drone. It takes aerial photos. #Trayvon, #Zimmerman

    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower The judge saw it but we could not see it. He says he also uses security video that needs enhancement to create animation. #Zimmermanon9

    Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 1m
    Shoemaker says he had more data in #GeorgeZimmerman case than for animation he just showed Nelson. #ZimmermanTrial #TrayvonMartin
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Note: W/ few exceptions Prosecutor Richard Mantei has handled evidence/witnesses dealing with technology/expert matters for state

    For 13 years he has worked on criminal cases. First time used in court? 2009. He uses motion capture suit to recreate the movements. Put on the suit and records his movements, matching the victim's movements and put on the rod to show the direction of the shots. Calibrates the computer at the beginning.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 37s
    Shoemaker says first time he created animation for a court case was 2009.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 24s
    Motion capture. ARAS360. Total Station. Drones to take images. This is starting to sound a little too much like Skynet for me.

    He comes in after the event so has to rely on information from LE, uses photographs of scene, people involved, etc. [So, you must trust that LE got the right information? I'm not sure SPD did this.] He has also worked on movies, Ironman...

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    The state says the defense wants to show the jury the animation before defense expert Dr. Vincent DiMaio testifies. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    The defense wants to use the expert's animation to show in part how far #Zimmermanon9 's gun was from Martin and their positions.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    The defense expert says he has also used animation to determine the positions of two people involved in another shooting. #Zimmermanon9

    OM asks witness about how many cases he has testified to in court, about
    20. He has a list, OM asks Mantei if he wants a copy, Mantei says he has one. Has worked on 59 criminal trials, 21 civil. For DOJ, shootings, stabbings, vary quite a bit.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Motion capture Shoemaker uses also used in Ironman, Avitar, X-Men and for video games.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 37s
    Shoemaker says he's been involved in 59 criminal trials, 21 civil trials. #zimmerman

    Worked 100% for defense..some have been defense of police officers.
    Has been qualified as an expert in various counties in Fl., 16, as well as in Ca.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    He says he's testified 20 times. He's worked for the Department of Justice on police involved shootings. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 4m
    The defense expert says he's been involved in about 20 court cases in the last 5 years. #Zimmermanon9

    bob kealing ‏@bobkealing 4m
    We're now over an hour in to this hearing to determine if illustration will be used. Shoemaker says 100% of his work has been for defense.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

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    OM asks about the trials he has testified in court, all have been criminal. He was qualified as an expert and motion suit was also accepted. Most seem to be in Ca.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Judge considers animation at #Zimmerman trial (from @AP) http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/con...tguid=9KU02Gma

    He's giving information about previous cases he has done animation for and testified for. One in a house in CA 2 people threatening suicide and attempting to kill an officer. OM asking him about 59 other cases. Any that he has failed to be accepted as an expert, no, for the 20 cases he testified in. Any civil cases he has testified in, no.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Shoemaker says all the cases he's testified in have been criminal cases.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    He says he's been qualified as an expert and his motion suit has been accepted in previous court cases. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 56s
    He has never failed to be qualified as an expert. #Zimmermanon9

    This case is different because not a lot of opportunity to have live audio like in the TM case. He used discovery from DAs office, audio, police reports, questioning at LE (depositions), ME reports, etc. used to create animation, made 2 visits to the scene.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Shoemaker did texture mapping if the scene for the animation he created of crime scene in this case. #zimmerman

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 8m
    Shoemaker used motion capture suits for animation in May.

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 9m
    Shoemaker says he used discovery records: Police reports, audio from calls, crime scene photos, etc. #ZimmermanTrial #GeorgeZimmerman
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 11m
    Shoemaker says he became involved in #zimmerman case in April.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Judge offers to let Shoemaker sit at witness stand after standing at podium for last hour-plus. He declined.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Shoemaker is about to show the judge the animation he created depicting incidents in this case. #trayvonmartin #zimmerman

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Shoemaker was given lots of discovery docs to create the animation and still image re-creations he did for this case.

    He believes he had everything he needed to do the animation.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Judge is viewing animation now at the bench.

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    The defense expert used the 911 call with screams and the shot to recreate the scene. We could hear it but not see it. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 4m
    The judge is watching it.. We can't see it. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    The defense expert is going to present his animation to the judge. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 6m
    The defense expert says he had everything he needed to recreate the scene. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 16m
    He said he could not use the motion capture suits at the scene but visited the scene twice to create the animation. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 17m
    The defense expert used police photographs and depositions and information from the state attorney's office. #Zimmermanon9

    OM and Mantei at bench with expert explaining each part of the animation.


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    OM now asking questions of witness giving evidence before judge per much that has been said before.

    Bill S. gives standards of the Daubert case, he thinks it is likely the court will allow this evidence. Some of these standards the same as the Frye standards.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    We are in a 5 min recess.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 7m
    The defense expert says he's the only one in the US who uses the kind motion capture suit he uses but software is not new. #Zimmermanon9

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    I've been informed the animation experts name is spelled Schumaker.

    Rene Stutzman ‏@renestutzman 7m
    What's interesting: Animation assumes several neighbor-witnesses got all their facts right, including Mora, Good & Lauer.#Trayvon #Zimmerman
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    The Associated Press The Associated Press ‏@AP 8m
    What's the most important piece of evidence in Zimmerman's trial? @khightower and @MikeSchneiderAP have the answer: http://apne.ws/14GcqiE
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Natalie Tolomeo Natalie Tolomeo ‏@NatalieTolomeo 8m
    Shoemaker says he didn't construct the lighting in animation to match scene b/c jury would have a hard time seeing detail.
    #ZimmermanTrial
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 8m
    Presentation at the bench is over.

    Judge asks OM how much longer this will take, OM says 45 min. She says no, she is not making the jury wait any longer. State has not conducted their questioning yet. Asks OM to bring in his next witness. She will continue this hearing later this afternoon after the jury has left.
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 16s
    Bench conference over.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Judge sends Schumaker out and asks defense if its ready with its next witness. Attys at bench.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    We are back in session. Judge is upset this hearing is taking so long. Says they will reconvene it later this afternoon.

    I'm taking a short break!

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    West on direct for defense:

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 43s
    Do Maio says he's written 88 articles, 13 book chapters and four books, including one on gunshot wounds. #zimmerman

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Di Maio testifies that its important to package wet crime scene material in paper bags to preserve. Not all if clothes in this case were

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 6m
    Di Maio just gave a shout out to San Antonio. He looks like he could pass as Gregg Popovich's father.

    Rene Stutzman Rene Stutzman ‏@renestutzman 8m
    All 9 people in the jury box are taking notes & di Maio hadn't even gotten to his findings in this case yet. #Trayvon, #Zimmerman
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 13m
    Di Maio has a loud, booming voice. Almost operatic. #zimmerman

    Yamiche Alcindor Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 15m
    The jury was just brought back in. They were back in jury room for an hour and 40 minutes. Judge Nelson apologized.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 15m
    Jury is back in.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 15m
    Next up is state witness Vincent Di Maio. Defense forensic expert. Wrote a book on gun distance that autopsy Dr. Bao used in his estimate

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 20m
    Nelson addresses #GeorgeZimmerman, says defense has decided to limit testimony of defense forensic pathologist Vincent Di Maio.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 24m
    O'Mara was at defense table talking to #Zimmerman. Asks now to approach bench.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Di Maio: "You don't need the bullet to kill you with contact wounds." #zimmerman

    Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 3m
    Di Maio is now explaining how a bullet comes out of a gun when someone shoots.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Di Maio has had the jury's attention both by eyes and note taking since he started. Alt juror E28 turned her chair toward him.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Di Maio said he started his gunshot research while working in the military. #zimmerman

    Yamiche Alcindor Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 8m
    Di Maio has done more than 9,000 autopsies and had reviewed 27,000 to 28,000 autopsies.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 8m
    Updated: Judge considers animation at #Zimmerman trial (from @AP) #trayvonmartin http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/con...tguid=9KU02Gma

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    West continuing direct to the Dr. and asks him if he has interviewed all the witnesses. He says no, the main question involved in this case is if the evidence matches what GZ said happened. He used autopsy report and photos of autopsy, the firearm examiner. He was trying to reach an opinion on the distance of gun barrel from TMs skin and clothes. Also wants to ask him about how long TM could have been alive and conscious, dr. says are 2 different things.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    Di Maio says he reviewed much of the evidence in the #Zimmermanon9 case including the reenactment and witness statements.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    The state is objecting to Dr. Di Maio's curriculum vitae but judge allowed it into evidence. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    Martin's wet clothes. Dr. Shiping Bao who supervised autopsy earns about $175,000 a year according to his office. 2/2 #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    We checked with the Seminole county medical examiner and no one has been retrained or disciplined for mishandling 1/2 #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    He is another defense witness who has done work for the Department of Justice, and he's worked on the Yugoslavia war crimes. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    A hole in the clothing before the bullet goes through. The defense is working to pinpoint how close #Zimmermanon9 's gun was to Martin.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    They are taking notes as he testified that if a gun is put against clothing and fired the gas from the gun will blow 1/2 #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 6m
    The jury is paying close attention to his description of what happens when a gun is fired. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 9m
    Di Maio started his work on gunshot wounds in the military. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 10m
    Di Maio says he doesn't work on many criminal cases for the defense.. roughly 2-3 a year. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 11m
    Di Maio says he's trained forensic pathologists. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 14m
    Sybrina Fulton left the courtroom with her lawyer as the defense expert began testimony about gunshot wounds. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 15m
    The medical examiner's office in Seminole county packed Martin's wet clothing in plastic without drying it out first. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 16m
    Dr. Di Maio says wet clothing from scenes should be dried out lest they be overrun by bacteria and mold destroying evidence. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 18m
    Dr. Di Maio has written a book about gunshot wounds and how they are to be investigated. #Zimmermanon9

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