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  1. #31
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    Court back in session...

    OM stating that GZ has agreed the following witness will testify through iphone/Skype?. Judge asks GZ if that is so, yes...

    OM having problem with the program..gets help from assistant.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    This may be Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett's testimony. #Zimmermanon9 [no]

    OM says this will be his last witness and then will go to the proffer for the animation expert, and probably rest his case tomorrow. State can present a rebuttal case.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 21s
    Defense atty O'Mara just told judge this is likely his final witness and expects to finish Wednesday. #Zimmerman

    Judge has jury brought in.

    On screen, witness is a woman who is sworn in and is home sick. Says she previously lived at the Retreat and knew GZ as a friendly neighbor.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    O'Mara has called his final witness - it's Eloise Dilligard. She is testifying via Skype. #Zimmermanon9

    She was coming home and had to go in the back way by the mail boxes and saw GZs truck, on area of curve. Does she know T area? yes....

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    Dilligard knew #ZimmermanOn9 as a friendly neighbor.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    Correction: Dilligard is testifying via Apple Face-time; not Skype. She is testifying remotely because she is sick. #ZimmermanOn9

    When she came up to crime scene saw people standing on the sidewalks. She looked for GZ because she saw his truck, asked another neighbor, judge stops, hearsay, sustained objection of state.

    OM had a conversation with someone? yes, asked her about George. After I didn't see GZ, she was walking away, and LE asked her if she knew people involved, she told him she was not here when something happened. He asked her to look at pictures to ID people. Showed her an iphone with 2 pictures.
    Was anyone else present? some other neighbors, married but she did not know names. Was there a picture where GZ had a bloody nose? yes
    How long did it take her to recognize him? not long, just had the blood on his nose..next question, objection, hearsay...

    Did not know the other person's name, but knows now it was Trayvon.

    Her question was where is GZs wife?

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    O'Mara is asking the witness about the layout of the #ZimmermanOn9 neighborhood the night of the shooting.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    Dilligard said #ZimmermanOn9 did not look like himself in the photos that night and even looked disfigured.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    Dilligard is explaining on when she was asked to identify the defendant. She was shown pictures on a smartphone.

    She went to GZs house and knocked but Shelly did not answer. Did have a conversation with her later. Then went got back in car and went home.

    Next question, objection, hearsay, OM starts to say not to prove facts, judge says approach, she doesn't want speaking motions

    Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 4m
    Dilligard: #GeorgeZimmerman's face "still looked the same," but nose disfigured. Gave cop GZ's name. #ZimmermanTrial #TrayvonMartin
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 15m
    Next up is former Retreat at Twin Lakes resident and #GeorgeZimmerman neighbor Eloise (sp?) Dilligard.

    Bill S....now we know for sure GZ will not testify...sidebar over...

    Was she there when other people gave their statements to LE...yes, their written statements, not verbal..how many females, males....

    She herself gave her name and phone# but no statement that night.

    Yes, FBI person left note on her door to call them, he came to here house and she gave a statement about what they asked. Did she ever listen to the tape with voices screaming in the background? first heard it when played on ?, how many times have heard it, 2 or 3...did she recognize voice screaming, she thinks it was GZ...


    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Dilligard: "He (Zimmerman) has a light male voice."

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Dilligard says she heard 911 call with screams via the news 2-3 times. Recognized #GeorgeZimmerman voice as screamer.

    OM going to walk her through pictures and let her tell where she was that night. she can see the pictures, complex picture...


    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    O'Mara is asking the witnesses about the first time she heard the Lauer 911 tape. #ZimmermanOn9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 3m
    Dilligard was interviewed by federal agents. #ZimmermanOn9

    Picture not working for OM, can she just tell them? the clubhouse entrance to the left....asking her about back route she took...and where she saw GZs truck.

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    DLR up for cross...asked her if knew Trayvon, no, she had seen him around the complex but did not know him.

    Had never heard TM speak.

    She had not heard GZ scream before.

    OM and DLR through, witness excused and judge asked them to approach.


    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    Dilligard did testify that she had never heard #TrayvonMartin's voice. #ZimmermanOn9


    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    O'Mara is not going to re-direct. He thanks Dilligard's time and from doing the testimony from home. #ZimmermanOn9

    Judge releasing jury for the night...taking a 10 min. break then continue hearing about the animation expert. Then will meet at 8am in the morning to address another issue before the court. Bill S. thinks may be about Mr. Donnelly being inside the courtroom before he testified and this is a violation of court rules.

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 59s
    State attorney Richard Mantei is cross examining Dan Schumaker now

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    The admissibility hearing on defense expert's computer animation continues now.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Court is back in session.

    Mantei asking him about how many times he has used the animation in court testimony, 2, including this one. The other one was Greenburg case, an ex police officer, shot someone in a vehicle, he determined the position of each person, not a victim where you are trying to describe an ongoing struggle. Wants to concentrate on cases where this type of case will have been accepted in court. This is only one...

    He previously said he had always had to go thru an evidence hearing before being qualified. He is actually the only person doing this type of work. He does not have a degree in this, has taken ongoing training....

    When he was at scene he directed the players in their actions...one the size of GZ and one approximately the size of TM, was 5'11'', weight is not relevant, similar stature to GZ and TM...how long were their arms, not measured...got into poses as he directed..

    How does it work? 16 somethings go into the software and blah, gooblygok to me....the program does what it does, there is a green light! to tell whether the telleramaters are working right!!!

    He used witnesses but changed the scenario according to what GZ told him, to be more accurate...has been changed twice...

    Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 1m
    Schumaker says size and weight of people aren't important for animation. He didn't measure them and couldn't say how much they weighed.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

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    Mantei wants to know what actual testimony was used to make the animation: witnesses Lauer, others....he is picking the ones to believe....

    OM tries to explain and judge more or less tells him to hush and let her finish...

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 40s
    Shumaker: I used Lauer's statement for animation. #ZimmermanOn9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    Schumaker says he adjusted his animation based on what #GeorgeZimmerman's attorneys told him. #Zimmermanon9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 7m
    Shumaker used body doubles for the animation video. He found people of similar height, but did not measure their arms. #Zimmermanon9

    Mantei and judge explain that he should have used testimony from court testimony which he has not seen, OM interrupts again..judge intervenes. Witness say that if the testimony in court changed, he was informed by the lawyers...OM and West...

    Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 3m
    Schumaker: Don't know what's been testified to in trial, "I was not allowed to watch the trial." #GeorgeZimmerman #zimmermantrial
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Schumaker acknowledges that he can't say whether everything he used in his animation recreation depicts what's been testified to in court

    OH, geez..why are we here?

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    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 1m
    Schumaker: the lighting in the animation is not a correct represetantaion of the light that night (night of shooting). #ZimmermanOn9

    Kathi Belich, WFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m
    Schumaker: the animation contains artificial light. #ZimmermanOn9

    Mantei wants to know how he figured out where to place the witness..he said not just based on one of the 911 calls but also during consultation with the attorneys...He used John Good's call and can tell where this other person was...if you back track from the gunshot you can tell when he went out and when he went inside...Good's estimation used.

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 4m
    Schumaker: Lauer 911 call was used as reference and so was Good's written statement. #ZimmermanOn9

    IOW...garbage in, garbage out...IMO

    Mantei...nothing in that animation is according to witness and evidence. Which witness and which evidence came out in court? He says also consultation with the attorneys. Good was gone from outside before Lauer's call and the gunshot...but the animation purports to show what happened, so it is trying to be more accurate than we know it can be.

    Witness says Good's estimation is based on when the gunshot occurred.

    Mantei: you are not pretending it is an accurate animation but basing it on witness estimation, who you've never heard in testimony? correct.


    Local 10 Zimmerman ‏@WPLGZimmerman 5m
    Defense witness Daniel Schumaker said he based animation on witness' estimates http://bit.ly/15tjMqD
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 16m
    Schumaker acknowledges that he can't say whether everything he used in his animation recreation depicts what's been testified to in court

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 19m
    Schumaker: Don't know what's been testified to in trial, "I was not allowed to watch the trial." #GeorgeZimmerman #zimmermantrial
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Witness states he just talked to the Dr. di Maio on Sat. for 20 min. and used that info to make another change on direction of gunshot into TM

    Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 5m
    Schumaker: animation is a scenario according to witness and evidence. #ZimmermanOn9

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Schumaker says he based part of the animation on a phone conversation he had with Di Maio last week. #GeorgeZimmerman

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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Schumaker acknowledges that he left the gun out of the computer animation of the shooting. #Zimmerman #trayvonmartin

    Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 10m
    Mantei: You set body positions to match #GeorgeZimmerman defense theory? Schumaker: No, Di Maio's theory. #TrayvonMartin #ZimmermanTrial

    Mantei...you put the figures in certain positions? Yes, still figures are based on Good's testimony and consultation with attorneys..

    How did you place where the shell casing, flashlight, etc.? based on where witnesses placed evidence...proximity of shell casing can't be that far to where TM was located. There are a lot of variables that involved...Mantei: we know where the casing was found but we don't know where it came from. Witness, based on their last positions, after GZ shot TM and where they ended up, correct.

    Judge says it would be helpful to her to see the animation and let him explain how he determined the postitions. Now they seem to be looking for a certain picture, Mantei looking also.

    From overhead, Mantei asks the placement of the yellow circles are estimates of where the casing, etc. were...positioning relative to the victim.

    Can you tell me what this is an estimation of? It's not an estimation, it's from Dr. di Maio...how far did he say TM head was off the ground? you can't say exactly because it is an estimation.

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    Travell Eiland ‏@TravellWESH 2m
    This animation of the Martin/Zimmerman fight looks like an Xbox game.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 6m
    Judge asks to see animation as cross examination continues.

    Is the any reason you only used the video walk through of GZ to place things? I also used other witnesses, Lauer said where the confrontation begin. What other validations studies on the motion capture suit? How accurate is it? to a hundredth of an inch..what did you set it for? just what was relevant to what he needed..

    How did he tell the posers to move? according to what the witness said, police report, evidence on the scene, he was directing. The swing and the motion after the swing, it was as the actor decided to do it. Mantei, you can't tell me for sure that is how TM and GZ acted that day. It's just a presentation of one person striking another with their height and position.

    My presentation is based on discovery, created based on evidence and in consultation with the attorneys...Mantei all the actual action out there is based on his interpretation of evidence funneled through the attorneys? yes

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Mantel is done examining Schumaker for now. O'Mara is up for redirect.

    OM up for redirect...asks about the motion capture suit, this is the new generation of the suit..is it better, has to be recorded by the camera and gets data of the different teleramaters? yes..

    Have you ever waited until after the trial to do an animation? no

    If I came to you with a new piece of evidence, would you go back and adjust the animation. yes, the whole purpose is to get it as accurate as possible.

    Have I given you updated evidence to adjust the program? it's not a change but an adjustment...in consultation with me and West, you would do this?

    Have you ever waited until the middle of a trial to start working on it? no, likes to do it as soon as possible. Do you incooperate new information into the animation. He tries to make sure there is no conflicting info.

    What extent did GZ help in starting the animation? GZ stating he was struck and where, positioning where the conflict started, along with Lauer's statement? yes

    Any other information you used in positioning the people? GZs flashlight and location of other witnesses.

    If you have the location of the shell casing does that help? yes, but with any estimation method there will be variables.

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    Ryan Hughes - WFTV ‏@RHughesWFTV 12m
    Mark O'Mara questioning now. #ZIMMERMANon9.

    Ryan Hughes - WFTV ‏@RHughesWFTV 2m
    Animation expert: Scenarios are consistent with testimony, witnesses & evidence. #ZIMMERMANon9.

    Ryan Hughes - WFTV Ryan Hughes - WFTV ‏@RHughesWFTV 8m
    "I like to begin [animation process] as soon as I can," witness tells court. #ZIMMERMANon9.

    Ryan Hughes - WFTV Ryan Hughes - WFTV ‏@RHughesWFTV 9m
    Animation modified as defense team and witness discussed matters, witness says. #ZIMMERMANon9.

    Ryan Hughes - WFTV Ryan Hughes - WFTV ‏@RHughesWFTV 10m
    #ZIMMERMANon9: Schumaker: Animations are always done before trials with discovery information. Modified based upon new information.

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    For example, did Mr. Good's position change as you developed the program?
    yes, first had him coming straight out the sliding door, later moved him over some based on info from him and you.

    Ryan Hughes - WFTV ‏@RHughesWFTV 2m
    NOW: Animation shown in courtroom. Depicts fight w/#TrayvonMartin throwing first punch. #ZIMMERMANon9.

    Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 3m
    In animation, #TrayvonMartin figure approaches & punches the #GeorgeZimmerman figure in the face. GZ figure driven back. #ZimmermanTrial
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Updated: Expert says evidence jibes with #Zimmerman's story (from @AP) #trayvonmartin http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/con...tguid=9KU02Gma

    Judge has a question, Mr. Good also made a 911 call, did you compare his statement that he heard the shot as he was making his call...did you use that info. in making this timeline for the animation, compared with Lauer's time? Did you use his 911 connection in doing the estimation? no

    OM...backtracking, if you had the time of that phone call, could that help you recalibrate the timeline? yes, OM...I can give you that time...It would require simply moving the timing of Lauer's call. Witness...it would also affect Good's time that he went back into the condo.

    Judge...my notes is that the only time Good gave was he heard the shot when he was watching TV, it was 8-10 seconds, after he was dialing...problem she is having related to that is how the timeline is coming from Good based on when he said he went out, between 7:05 and 7:15, she is reciting his entire testimony, but he never gives another time, when does the 8-10 seconds begin? He was waiting for the 911 call to connect.

    Mantei says it's still an estimation. She says that it doesn't have to be exact, but since the timeline is based on Good's statement, if it overlays with Lauer's call, it should be as close to exact as possible. OM wants to do something to get the info tomorrow. Judge, we are having this hearing now and I need to make a decision and I don't want to extend this much longer.

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    Judge asks if what witness used to change his estimate? info from OM about what Good testified to..

    OM: What was the change of the first to second position, consultation with you and evidence.

    How was the determination made for the third position, consultation with Dr. di Maio

    Did that also include final resting place of TM? eventually

    Ryan Hughes - WFTV ‏@RHughesWFTV 2m
    Nelson: "I don't have a problem" with some parts of animation. #ZIMMERMANon9.

    Ryan Hughes - WFTV Ryan Hughes - WFTV ‏@RHughesWFTV 3m
    Judge Nelson referring to her notes as discussion confines. #ZIMMERMANon9

    Ryan Hughes - WFTV Ryan Hughes - WFTV ‏@RHughesWFTV 7m
    NOW: Judge Debra Nelson asking questions. Animation discussion continues. #ZIMMERMANon9.

    Ryan Hughes - WFTV Ryan Hughes - WFTV ‏@RHughesWFTV 15m
    SCREENSHOT: Animation review underway. Still no word if jury will see it. #ZIMMERMANon9. pic.twitter.com/QTuOFdsn8s


    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Judge just pointed out a possible violation of sequestration rule by Schumaker consulting with John Good account via O'Mara.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 15m
    Judge asks Schumaker if John Good testimony about hearing gunshot while dialing 911 was used in his animation. He says he used estimation


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    OM asking witness a lot of questions about how he determined sizes of people and placement of people and objects.

    Witness says the main purpose was to determine who was on top and who was on bottom. According to the dr. the person on top was the one shot and the person on the bottom was the one doing the shooting.

    He was not trying to determine the exact position of the gun.

    Mantei recross:

    In the second position, it would have been impossible for GZ to access the gun, correct.

    So you had to do those changes to make the shooting happen. The gun had to be accessible. That's another assumption you made. The dr. never testified to that.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    O'Mara is done. Mantei is up for re-cross.

    Witness uses his notes on the angle of left to right for the shot. Do you have other notes from the dr.? no, just that one.

    You have to account for the length of the gun, right? Witness, there are a lot of variables I didn't use.

    Mantei says variables of length of arms, etc.

    All you wanted to do was show the positions of the bodies right? yes

    The variables you mention are not impossible. Is that your way of telling me they are not in this animation?

    Witness talks about the scale, Mantei acc. to their height, that's all.

    Witness, you are looking for something that is not shown by the video, the purpose of the video is only to show the position of the bodies in relation to evidence ( from Good, GZ and OM/West)

    Ryan Hughes - WFTV ‏@RHughesWFTV 4m
    Schumaker says many variables not in animation. #ZIMMERMANon9.

    Judge asks state if they still feel there needs to be a Daubert analysis, Mantei says he needs both.

    OM states this witness has never been disqualified before, he did not realize it would be a contested today, witness keeps up with all changes in his field. This is an accurate depiction of evidence up to date as possible. He used consultation with counsel to make it as up to date as possible.

    What info from GZ was used, judge asks, where he was hit? judge, nobody testified what direction those punches came from, he mentions Dr. Raugh? testified where the punch came from L to R, and the abrasion was on the inner. Ms. Fulton said TM was R handed, but specific from dr R said it came from the L. Judge asks are you saying nobody could ever hit from the opposite direction. LM again uses Dr. R's testimony.
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