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    Good morning all!

    I was very active during the CA trial but have been quiet since then. I've been watching the GZ trial from the beginning so I've decided to jump back into this wonderful forum. Bear with me, I'm a little rusty
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    After reading and listening to yesterdays events from last night, I find it very hard to see how the state is going to get their conviction. This case, more than any other case I can remember, is so ripe with reasonable doubt that one wonders how it's even at trial. Here are some examples:

    Screaming on the 911 call - I'm not sure there is anyone that can definitively say who that is on the call. Everyone has their theory, but nothing conclusive. And if your not conclusive that it was TM, that's reasonable doubt (benefits the defense)

    Who the aggressor was - At this point there is no conclusive evidence that I've seen that shows definitively who started the fight or even how the fight got started. We have testimony from one person (RJ) who may or may not be believable. That's reasonable doubt (benefits the defense).

    IMO, in order to convict, you have to believe every single word of what RJ said and then ignore evidence to the contrary (grass stains on GZ back, injuries, etc).

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    About GZ's weight. I thought that yesterday but by the end of the day he looked big again. Odd that you would mention that this morning as I was going to see if the same thing happens today
    The facts are now buried amongst theory, opinion and rumor.

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    Daniel Shoemaker is a forensic crime scene reconstruction specialist.
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    IMO, this is an unpopular belief but I am of a few who honestly believe there are two separate and distinct voices yelling and then crying out for help. The last few we hear, at the very end, IMO is TM.

    Beyond that, I have a theory on why GZ would call for help but my opininion is unfavorable to the defendant. So, I will leave it at that.
    The facts are now buried amongst theory, opinion and rumor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityslick View Post
    After reading and listening to yesterdays events from last night, I find it very hard to see how the state is going to get their conviction. This case, more than any other case I can remember, is so ripe with reasonable doubt that one wonders how it's even at trial. Here are some examples:

    Screaming on the 911 call - I'm not sure there is anyone that can definitively say who that is on the call. Everyone has their theory, but nothing conclusive. And if your not conclusive that it was TM, that's reasonable doubt (benefits the defense)

    Who the aggressor was - At this point there is no conclusive evidence that I've seen that shows definitively who started the fight or even how the fight got started. We have testimony from one person (RJ) who may or may not be believable. That's reasonable doubt (benefits the defense).

    IMO, in order to convict, you have to believe every single word of what RJ said and then ignore evidence to the contrary (grass stains on GZ back, injuries, etc).

    I actually think that RJ's testimony goes for the defense. She said that TM was on or at Dad's GF's house.. MS GREEN(E)

    Then after the phone cuts off and comes back, He is breathing heavy, like he was running. Well if he was still at his DAD's GF house at that point. Then that would have meant GZ traveled to him and found him.. but that is not what the evidence shows.

    They ended up in a fight near the T where GZ said he was waiting for police. Up in the same place he said he was on the calls and in the vicinity of his truck. That shows me that TM is the one that traveled. He is also the one that speaks first according to RJ. " WHAT ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME FOR?"
    Is what he says. That is confrontational.

    So to me her testimony shows in fact that where the fight occurred and where GZ's truck is that TM is the one that went after GZ not the other way around.
    I believe that her testimony along with the o ther states witnesses all show that GZ was indeed under attack and reacted to save his life and protect his person. His right under the law in FL.
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    Daniel Shoemaker uses what he calls a 'motion capture suit' to recreate crime scenes. Sounds fascinating!
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    Technology, ugh! Wouldn't Mr. Shoemaker be basing his animation on the only eye witness to the beginning and the end? In effect his entire animation would be based on GZ's story?
    The facts are now buried amongst theory, opinion and rumor.

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    Morning everyone! Having my first cup of coffee as well!!! I hope today will be a good one ~ I've been waiting for the forensic experts as I think that will bring a lot of clarity to what happened. I understand the reason for the voice recognition but it seems this will be more "hard" evidence. imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just K View Post
    Technology, ugh! Wouldn't Mr. Shoemaker be basing his animation on the only eye witness to the beginning and the end? In effect his entire animation would be based on GZ's story?
    According to a statement Mr. O'Mara made earlier, it appears it was based on John Good's observations.

    http://www.wftv.com/s/zimmerman-livestream/
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    Quote Originally Posted by cityslick View Post
    After reading and listening to yesterdays events from last night, I find it very hard to see how the state is going to get their conviction. This case, more than any other case I can remember, is so ripe with reasonable doubt that one wonders how it's even at trial. Here are some examples:

    Screaming on the 911 call - I'm not sure there is anyone that can definitively say who that is on the call. Everyone has their theory, but nothing conclusive. And if your not conclusive that it was TM, that's reasonable doubt (benefits the defense)

    Who the aggressor was - At this point there is no conclusive evidence that I've seen that shows definitively who started the fight or even how the fight got started. We have testimony from one person (RJ) who may or may not be believable. That's reasonable doubt (benefits the defense).

    IMO, in order to convict, you have to believe every single word of what RJ said and then ignore evidence to the contrary (grass stains on GZ back, injuries, etc).
    This is exactly how I feel. IMO it's just a tragedy all the way around.
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    I have not watched any of the TH shows covering the TM/GZ since the incident happened --- until last night. All of my favorite shows were reruns, so foolishly I turned on a TH show. The only thing I can say, it was a comedy instead of covering the facts of the case. They had mock jury who voted on whose voice was on the tape. The outcome was so predictable and both the "mock jurors" and guests on the show were laughing and didn't seem serious at all.

    I wasted an hour of my life.

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    I've listened to Trayvon on Youtube (singing, talking, rapping) with various ranges in his voice. IMHO) the screams on the 911 are definitely not his.

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    776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
    (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself
    or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
    (2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
    History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.

    Just to make sure we know the LAW not just feelings about the case. But to use the LAW as our standard..

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...0776/0776.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just K View Post
    Technology, ugh! Wouldn't Mr. Shoemaker be basing his animation on the only eye witness to the beginning and the end? In effect his entire animation would be based on GZ's story?
    MOM stated that he looked at all the evidence in the case and had extremely minimal contact/conversations with GZ.
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