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    Fury in Britain as European Human Rights judges rule all have right to seek parole

    Always wanted to start a threadline with the word "fury"! Very tabloid. And not all in Britain are in a furor. From Daily Mail:

    What about the victims' rights? Meddling European judges rule even Britain's most evil killers have human right to seek freedom
    Victims’ families reacted with fury last night after European judges ruled serial killers must be given the right to seek parole.

    In a hugely provocative decision, Strasbourg said murderers and rapists condemned to die behind bars must now be given a chance of freedom.

    The families said the idea of the killers walking Britain’s streets again was a ‘horrendous prospect’ and ‘life must mean life’.

    The whole-life tariff applies to 48 men and one woman – Rose West – whose crimes courts regard as so heinous they must never be let out.

    But three of them – Jeremy Bamber, Douglas Vinter and Peter Moore – appealed to Europe, saying their sentences ‘undermined human dignity and destroyed the human spirit’. Vinter and Bamber even claimed their time in jail had left them ‘depressed and in despair’.

    Yesterday the highest body of the European Court of Human Rights, the Grand Chamber, agreed with them.
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    L-o-n-g article with many pictures at the link; here's also, in DM....

    49 monsters given hope of freedom: They're the UK's most notorious killers, now they can seek parole

    With the 49 listed, and with pictures.

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    Not everyone has an article up yet - nothing from Guardian, Mirror, Express, Sun. The Telegraph does, though, checking in for the broadsheets:

    Calls grow to boycott 'toxic' human rights court

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    What an insane ruling!

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    Ill wait for the Guardian to chime in. The Daily Wail is really living up to its nickname with this story lol. Very inflammatory, and whipping up the usual anti-European biases of the Anglo-American audience.
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    Here we go... Going to read it now:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2013/j...h-human-rights
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    Well it seems to me that all the ruling does really is say that with life cases there should be a way for them to be reviewed - not that anyone serving life can or must be released.

    It seems reasonable to me, but then I'm a bleeding heart pinko, and I do believe that rehabilitation is possible (not that it always happens, in reality, but that it is possible - and that seems to me all that the ruling is acknowledging, and so a review should be available to the convicted).
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    Meanwhile, back at the tabloids....

    Victory for evil.(Sun)

    Euro Judges Cause Outrage Over Killer Ruling.(Star)

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    I'm for the whole-life tariff in many if not all of the cases here with which I'm familiar. There is no need for a review in certain of them.

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    Here are the ones I'd never review, ones I do know something about, having read of the cases (I'm following the order they're listed in the second DM link in OP):

    Ian Brady
    Rose West
    Dale Cregan
    Dennis Nilsen
    Peter Sutcliffe
    Steven Wright

    These I'd not review as the person has killed at least on two occasions, the second time after a previous conviction for murder, or during his time of incarceration for that murder:

    Douglas Vinter
    Robert Maudsley
    Malcom Green
    Royston Jackson
    Desmond Lee
    Andrew Dawson
    David Cook

    Jeremy Bamber's case enjoyed an extensive review recently and the conviction was found just. No more reviews for Jeremy Bamber then.

    Many of the others are not worthy of review either, I think, but I don't know the cases well enough to comment.

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    I find myself in agreement with the solicitor quoted at the end of the Guardian article:

    Commenting on the decision, Rebecca Niblock, a criminal law solicitor at Kingsley Napley LLP, said: "No doubt there will be renewed calls to pull out of the European convention on human rights and repeal the Human Rights Act. Yet Theresa May would do well to keep a sense of proportion: a right to have the sentence reviewed is quite different from a right to be released, and the number of prisoners affected is tiny – 49."

    "England and Wales lag behind other European countries in the use of the whole-life sentence – the only other EU country which uses it is Holland. The repeated calls to withdraw from the European convention carry a huge risk of undermining the UK's reputation abroad. There is only so much the UK can say to other countries about their human rights records when they show disdain for judgments which go against them at Strasbourg.

    "Making political capital at the expense of the rule of law is a dangerous game."
    Not as familiar with the sentencing practices/guidelines in England and Wales as I am here, but I'm comfortable in assuming that what she says regarding those two goes at least double for us here in the US.

    On another note, now you've given me a few cases to look up with your last post, wfgodot! Familiar with about half the names, but some I've never heard at all yet, and I need some new (crime related) reading material.
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    I'd like to see those judges be made to live in a Big Brother style house with all persons on that laundry-list of foul murderers for at least a month - with ample reading matter at hand on all their various crimes - and see how safe THEY feel being surrounded by 'em!
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    Just My opinion but...
    The irony of these murderers Lawyers playing off the back of a 'Human Rights' card - the hypocrisy!

    I can see this becoming a very bad decision, and unfortunately it wont be recognized until there are more victims from the hands of these killers who got parole.

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    You do realise this is a fuss about nothing from people with a pre-determined anti-Europe agenda? There are about 50 prisoners in England and Wales serving whole life tarrifs, and currently it is already legal for the Home Secretary to review their sentence and reduce it. All the ECHR has ruled is that such decisions shouldn't lie with politicians but with independent judicial panels.

    Basically they're ruling that the law in England and Wales should be the same as already exists in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Wfgodot - there are a few red herrings in your list. Ian Brady and Peter Sutcliffe aren't covered by this ruling because they are not in the prison system, but held under the mental health laws as they are both judged legally insane. Jeremy Bamber absolutely should have his sentence reviewed again because the trial judge didn't sentence him to a full life tarrif, that was the Home Secretary's interference. Maybe Bamber does deserve to spend the rest of his life in prison, but decisions like that should be made by judges and not by politicians playing to the gallery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post

    With the 49 listed, and with pictures.
    Glad to see all the pictures are of white people. Apparently immigration has impacted the UK in a very positive way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonya610 View Post
    Glad to see all the pictures are of white people. Apparently immigration has impacted the UK in a very positive way!
    What does the race of any given defendant have to do with the laws about human rights?

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