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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by rose222 View Post
    This Prosecutor is not very effective. But then again I'm used to the very best prosecutor.

    Can't wait for closing arguments.
    I agree, we were spoiled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkySifaka View Post
    Thanks. I think if the judge is prepared to work those hours so should the defense. West should retire if he cant take a full schedule to the point it impacts him physically. And a lot of the long days is due to motions of their own. That is just imo moo etc.
    ETA and i wouild feel the same if it was one of the prosecution complaining about hours too. They should already be prepared
    The judge isn't working preparing witnesses, full days of questioning, depositions on the fly, etc. obviously.

    The schedule is not full -- it's oppressive, and obviously so. I think it will be error on appeal in the unlikely event it gets that far.

    Suggesting that defense counsel should retire because he can't handle 14-18 hour days for weeks and months (pre-trial) on end is offensive to me. I doubt that many people could handle it or would have a job that required it. And it's totally inappropriate to impose such a burden on a defense attorney defending a murder charge based on the defendant's constitutional rights. The judge was way out of line. And I note again, that she did back off her position slightly. I'm guessing she was informed of the case law on the subject. jmo

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    I think the the prosecutor is schooling this guy. Why wouldn't you ask all of these questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sacrablue View Post
    So GZ was out of shape and got over his head with his little chase the bad guy game so he says you loose, pulls out a gun and blows the kid away. What a tough guy. IMO
    If you walk into a group of gang members and you are armed, and the gang members decide to jump you and then you pull out the gun and kill one of them because you're afraid, you're not a fault or a 'tough guy' for walking into a group of gang members. You're defending yourself.

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    Love that.. I got it from the video YOU SAID I SHOULD WATCH...

    Nice job state!
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    I think GZ put himself in a position to have to defend himself. He followed TM. Yes, you have the right to defend yourself, and if you have a CWC you have the right to carry a gun, but at some point couldn't GZ have avoided all of this, up to the point of the shooting. Were where TM's hands at the time of him holding down GZ and hitting or banging his head? They weren't grabbing a gun, and where were GZ's hands at the time of the beating? Could he have pushed TM off and used his gun to just hold him there until cops came? When someone is on top of you and you shoot them, wouldn't up push them off of your body and to the side? How did TM end up face down? What I am I missing? IDK, no matter how this ends up, it won't be good.
    Your Dream must be greater than your fear!

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    His continued use of taking ALL the evidence into play, and not focusing on one little bitty thing that could be a matter of perception when panic has set in is refreshing.

    Big picture. All the evidence. Experience.

    IMHO

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    I little late.....LOL:


    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty2013 View Post
    I agree with you. Empathy either way is not good in a court of law, IMHO, as it clouds and compromises neutrality and objectivity, which is so crucial to true justice. IMHO, justice trumps "PC"ness, justice and truth are at the core of our values and must prevail, sleuthing is after all about getting through the layers and clues to arrive at the truth. This is why I'm going by evidence alone, trying to avoid opinions, and to detach myself from feelings for either side, but of course how I see the evidence inevitably pulls me like a magnetic force field to one side.
    This obviously is my opinion ...I think it's nearly impossible for humans to view something completely objectively. Yes, I do think it's important, but the resource of knowledge we have to draw from by it's very nature is our own past experiences......so I think we can only see from tinted glasses. I think ......all this, "a lot of speculation", that to see the reality, we might need to put on "others" glasses....and then triangulate.....LOL....does that even make sense??

    Also....I do think we can be educated as to make "better" -----more objective analysis....but most people don't have this training. IMO

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    If the defense wants to clear GZ of the Wanna be Cop thing they should quit calling LE IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by missmazzy View Post
    IMO, GZ would be the LAST person I would use to advertise ANYTHING!
    Likewise...which just goes to show the Hero Perception that population in general have of George Zimmerman in terms of Whom he shot in the heart, to death. He is hugely admired in those quarters which I find totally stomach turning.
    As a rule my comments are my views.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lauraoh View Post
    IMO, the judge's ruling on the admissibility of the text messages is reversible error.

    http://www.3dca.flcourts.org/opinions/3D09-2781.pdf

    FLORIDA VS LUMARQUE:

    At an in limine hearing, the trial court found the two images and one text message the ex-wife testified to admissible, but concluded the remaining exhibits inadmissible as the ex-wife could not authenticate them. The court erred. The images and text messages were found on the defendant’s cellular telephone, seized pursuant to a search of the defendant’s home through a warrant shortly after the alleged incident. This fact, testified by the State’s forensics expert, is sufficient to authenticate these exhibits. U.S. v. Caldwell, 776 F.2d 989, 1001-02 (11th Cir.1985) (holding that authentication of evidence merely requires a finding that the evidence is what it purports to be). It also is immaterial that the ex-wife could not identify each of the messages being shown to her on the night of the incident. Regardless how these images and text messages might have found their way onto the defendant’s cellular telephone, the State has presented sufficient evidence at this stage that these exhibits constitute evidence of motive. Craig v. State, 510 So.2d 857, 863 (Fla.1987) (stating that evidence of motive is admissible when it would help the jury understand other evidence). Accordingly, they are admissible into evidence at the trial of this case upon the State laying the proper predicates as indicated by this opinion

    IMOIMOIMO
    this judge just had a case remanded due to improper jury instructions regarding self defense. imo.
    IF I PUT IT HERE ITS MY OPINION. apparently i have no idea when i need to say that in a post, so this should cover it....IN MY OPINION anyways,

    welcome to the gates of hell JVDS.




    Jose Baez: “I sincerely believe that when we have finally spoken, everyone, and I mean everyone, will sit back and say, ‘Now, I understand. That explains it.’”



    Jose Baez to da judge :

    ".....that type of testing is unique. we requested that they be allowed to test items and that of course was objected to by the state and and uh the state uh granted or sustained their objection, denied our opportunity to have him test these items due to a very specialized field, subfield, of dna that he is one of the pioneers of uh in the alternative of we were granted the ability to test certain items by an outside lab...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sacrablue View Post
    GZ was not able to defend himself without a gun. IMO
    OMG...we agree on something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyGracesBangs View Post
    I watched it and it was actually kind of funny but I felt bad for West; he also mentioned his health can't handle these hours and he was just so frustrated and MOM put his hand on West's arm b/c the Judge just stopped listening and walked off and West just kind of put his hands up in resignation of the whole thing.

    And good morning all and thanks for the thread Fran
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    Imagine what kind of trial this would be if GZ had made it to the store and his gun mis-fired or discharged in error, killing someone in the store.

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    GZ shouldn't have followed TM. TM should not have confronted GZ. IMO.

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