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    Quote Originally Posted by lamblisa View Post
    Looking at pictures of LEK and Jacqueline LeBaron next to each other, they sure do look like they could be related

    http://i.imgur.com/7XYeO6q.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/P8Swkxd.jpg
    This is actually the first time one of the pics of someone who is supposed to look like LEK actually DOES resemble her, IMO. This person truly does look like they could be related.

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    The LeBaron cult angle seems possible except that if she was trying to escape from them, why would she have gone to Texas where so many of them were?

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    Keeping with lebaron angle.. Here is an Idaho connection. Perfectly reasonable she used family to hop around BEFORE she skipped out.

    http://m.deseretnews.com/article/660...on.html?pg=all

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    For those pursuing the lebaron possibility: Does that family carry the defective heart gene FLEK had?

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    [QUOTE=DeLorean;9639508]I find it pretty hard to believe a lifelong FLDS member would jump at exotic dancing a first career choice once out of the flock. Waitressing? Sure. Office work? If possible. Farm labor? Certainly. Stripping? Uh, not so likely to me.[QUOTE]

    You are quite right about a normal lifelong FLDS member probably would not choose exotic dancing as a first job. However, once the leader was incarcerated, the abuse these family members endured at the hands of other family members and the inability of the family to support themselves in a legal business drove them to "full time criminal activity". The incarcerated son of Evril LeBaron wrote about his life prior to the murders at the following link:

    http://hismin.tripod.com/lebaron.html

    It explains the marijuana smuggling, auto theft operation and bank robberies in addition to some discussion on the murders. This link will show you this was not a "normal" FLDS flock and put the dancing in a different light which no longer seems "so unlikely".

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    I still think for people that "religious" there's a big difference between the crimes you mentioned and the lack of modesty inherent to stripping. There's nothing sexual about bank robbery. Did the LeBarons run a brothel or anything remotely sexual as a form of criminal employment? And more importantly do they carry the defective heart gene that FLEK had? Because that would make this pretty open and closed. There's been tons of documentation on the hereditary birth defects these clans have caused with inbreeding and I'm sure someone with their toes already in those waters could find out pretty easily if FLEK's mutant heart gene is one carried by the LeBarons or not. As someone has already mentioned upthread, this clinging to a LeBaron connection despite the lack of any indication of one whatsoever seems to be working the case backwards to me, trying to rearrange the facts to fit a pre-imagined story rather than following the facts to the truth. If it turns out that clan does carry her mutant heart gene, well, what a heck of an intuition. But as of now there's no more evidence that she was an FLDS of any faction than there is that she was an alien abductee.
    Last edited by DeLorean; 07-07-2013 at 03:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelaE8654 View Post
    I agree. She has unique and distinctive features which would be easy to see in pictures of her that we haven't seen before. If you look at people's childhood photos, most of the time you can totally "see" that person in the face. It's been 30 years since I graduated and yet the folks I graduated with look pretty much the same in many ways to me. Just because a missing person has a similar hair color doesn't mean they "look like" LEK.
    Actually, Jacquilne Lebaron is the only one who looks anything like her (in that one photo where JL is younger) in my opinion--and they're clearly two different people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeLorean View Post
    this clinging to a LeBaron connection despite the lack of any indication of one whatsoever seems to be working the case backwards to me, trying to rearrange the facts to fit a pre-imagined story rather than following the facts to the truth.
    Although I was the one who originally posted the Jacqueline LeBaron info here last year in 2012, I am not trying to fit facts in a pre-imagined story line. I stumbled across LeBaron's facial image while searching google images and the search term "Arizona". Her image, height, hands, timeline, history, and location were striking to me so I shared it. At that time, we had much less information on LEK and many members were searching yearbooks for facial images. Many members have viewed hundreds of images...some thousands of images. If that is working the case backwards, I guess we are all guilty!

    I see you have 4 posts and have been a member for less than a week. I would like to welcome you to WS! Glad you are here, and welcome your opinions and outlook!

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    I'm not convinced she's related to the LeBarons (although, FWIW, Ervil died of a heart attack and others have committed suicide). But I don't think discussing the possibilities is any more far-fetched than trying to match her to yearbook photos or missing persons reports. I don't see how we can't work this case backward, frankly.

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    The LeBaron possibility is intriguing. The physical resemblance to Jacqueline is there. Is there a website/support group for former members of that group? Maybe they could be persuaded to have a look at LEK's pictures to see if they recognize her.

    Some of you are coming up with some very good ideas. One of them may pan out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFelines View Post
    I'm not convinced she's related to the LeBarons (although, FWIW, Ervil died of a heart attack and others have committed suicide). But I don't think discussing the possibilities is any more far-fetched than trying to match her to yearbook photos or missing persons reports. I don't see how we can't work this case backward, frankly.
    She definitely carries the "heart issues" gene and she committed suicide, too. Is there a predisposition in families to commit suicide or have depression leading to suicide? Like I and several others have said, Jacqueline LeBaron is the ONLY one of the pictures that have been posted who actually really DOES look like she could be related to LEK. LeBaron has more of a "chin" than LEK does; LEK is much rounder in the chin area but otherwise I do think they resemble each other.

    Has anybody thought that maybe she chose Texas to relocate to because she may have been in touch with someone from her past? We don't know who she kept in contact with; perhaps someone knew she swapped her identity and why she did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelaE8654 View Post
    She definitely carries the "heart issues" gene and she committed suicide, too. Is there a predisposition in families to commit suicide or have depression leading to suicide? Like I and several others have said, Jacqueline LeBaron is the ONLY one of the pictures that have been posted who actually really DOES look like she could be related to LEK. LeBaron has more of a "chin" than LEK does; LEK is much rounder in the chin area but otherwise I do think they resemble each other.

    Has anybody thought that maybe she chose Texas to relocate to because she may have been in touch with someone from her past? We don't know who she kept in contact with; perhaps someone knew she swapped her identity and why she did it.
    There appears to be a genetic component to suicide, although environmental factors obviously play a big role:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1007113941.htm

    If you look at the history of the LeBarons who eventually broke away, many of them seem to have gone to Mexico or Central America, but returned to the US later, so it's certainly possible she was in Texas because relatives (non-murdery ones) were there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda9681 View Post
    Regarding the transgender issue: the family stated she was undergoing fertility treatments and finally ended up having IVF. I myself have experienced SECONDARY UNEXPLAINED infertility and went through the whole process up to but NOT including IVF. I was examined head to toe and genetically tested by my RE. She would have done the same and the RE would have mentioned if she had man parts. Plus, who's to say it wasn't Blake that was the problem, not her.( bad swimmers) I bet the Ruffs wouldn't disclose that!
    Apparently she had a miscarriage or two as well which is part of the reason it's believed that the problem lie with her. She was thought to be older than her stated age and I think her most recent pictures looked it.

    The whole "man parts" thing is SO rare that I suspect that might be barking up the wrong tree. I know she was tall and may have appeared a bit masculine in some ways but that is not THAT rare with some women (some women look a tad masculine for whatever reason) to where you would be sure she wasn't really female. Her passport photograph shows a person who appears to be a young woman. Personally, I think the LeBaron angle looks very interesting, since for once she actually resembles someone in a photograph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelaE8654 View Post
    Apparently she had a miscarriage or two as well which is part of the reason it's believed that the problem lie with her. She was thought to be older than her stated age and I think her most recent pictures looked it.

    The whole "man parts" thing is SO rare that I suspect that might be barking up the wrong tree. I know she was tall and may have appeared a bit masculine in some ways but that is not THAT rare with some women (some women look a tad masculine for whatever reason) to where you would be sure she wasn't really female. Her passport photograph shows a person who appears to be a young woman. Personally, I think the LeBaron angle looks very interesting, since for once she actually resembles sensomeone in a photograph.
    She had fertility problems, breast augmentation surgery, heavy browbones, possibly had rhinoplasty, she appears to have a low waist-to-hip measurement ratio, she has an enlarged pharynx (Adam's apple), overly large hands even for a tall woman, she claims to have spent time in Thailand. I could probably come up with more but don't see a real reason to continue.

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    LeBaron, 1988, TX and AZ... hmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by CindyTx View Post
    Yes...many commentors on the Seattle Times comments page have mentioned a possible connection to the LeBaron family who was tied to murders in Texas in 1988. Read here: Wikimedia Error

    The families of this sect practiced polygamy and it has been said Evril LeBaron had has many as 50 kids. Evril was known to be very tall...greater than 6'4" and many of his kids were also very tall.

    Jacqueline LeBaron was one of his children...and she was one who was convicted for the 1988 murders of several persons who were considered traitors or enemies of their teachings. Here is a picture of Jacqueline LeBaron...note her height and her hands. LEK could have been one of her siblings (there were many)...who would have wanted to disappear. There is a sister named Cynthia LeBaron who testified against Jacqueline and others. Cynthia is in the witness protection program.

    http://nimg.sulekha.com/others/origi...4-20-25-16.jpg

    Sentencing Article:
    http://www.fbi.gov/houston/press-rel...nced-to-prison
    At first I thought this was far fetched, but the FBI article is very intriquing, the time line fits her "new" identity.. 1988, there are plenty of ties to Texas and even Phoenix AZ... she could be either related to the LeBarons and afraid her siblings will hunt her down and kill her or one of the families that had left the church and is afraid the LeBarons would kill her...

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