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  1. #31
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    Just thinking out loud here, but any evidence we have of a physical residence places her within a roughly 100 mile radius around Dallas. I'm assuming that having your name changed requires you to set foot in a court building at least once, so from late June/early July 1988 until her death, she would have been a permanent resident of that region. In fact, with the exception of Longview, she seems to have lived in the immediate Dallas/Ft. Worth metropolitan area exclusively. Given how much change her life appears to have involved in the late 80s and early 90s, that's an awfully sedentary lifestyle for someone who has no particular attachment to that area.

    Furthermore, according to various real estate websites the property she listed as a residential address in Boise, ID existed at the time she used it. Which means, Google Streetview would still give a fairly accurate picture of what the property looked like at the time. A quick glance shows it to be a small (duplex?) home, not some appartment block where you'd have any reasonable chance of living anonymously. From what's been posted here, I gather that none of the residents and neighbors from back then had any memory of her. So either there's a huge conspiracy among those homeowners to keep Jane Doe's identity secret, or more likely she never lived there, and the information can be discounted as proof of residency. Also, none of her supposed contacts in California (Mr. Perkins, Ms. Jeung) have any recollection of her either. I'm aware of the Ruffs' claim that she didn't have a Texas accent, but it also stands to reason that a person who grew up in a metropolitan area would have a much greater chance of speaking without an accent than someone born and raised in a somewhat more rural county such as Gregg. And then of course, just because you're from Texas doesn't mean your parents who taught you to speak have to be. And so forth.

    All of which leads me to one question. Am I correct in assuming there's no concrete evidence whatsoever that Jane Doe ever spent any significant amount of time outside the greater Dallas area, while there's plenty of evidence to show an attachment to that particular region? I understand the obvious objection to a Dallas origin: "why would someone who doesn't want to be found not change their place of residence". I'm not sure that objection is valid. The metropolitan area had roughly 5 million inhabitants at the time. It's perfectly possible to disappear in an urban area of that size. In some cases, merely avoiding certain districts will already do the trick. In addition, things like the somewhat amateurish resume, letter of reference, her GED scores contradict the hypothesis that we're dealing with a master strategist of above-average intelligence, who would cover all possible angles. At the very least, the information we have doesn't rule out a much simpler, more provincial personality, who'd (random example) ask a friend to walk her through the steps of becoming a blank slate, and then move to the other end of the city. It seems to me any difficulty in determining her identity is mainly due to the scarcity of evidence, not due to any unusual steps she took to conceal it.

    Please understand that I'm not trying to jump to any conclusions. What I'm trying to do is determine the most likely candidate area for her geographical origin, based strictly on available evidence, so the search for Jane Doe's original identity can be narrowed down. If there are any flaws in my reasoning or facts I might have gotten confused, please don't hesitate to point them out to me. I'm new to this.

  2. #32
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    I don't know where to post this one, but I found a Lori Erica Kennedy age 49 who lived in:
    Irving, TX
    Dallas, TX
    Arlington, TX
    Fort Worth, TX
    Euless, TX
    Bedford, TX
    http://results.beenverified.com/spri...&state=TX&age=

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfgufi View Post
    Just thinking out loud here, but any evidence we have of a physical residence places her within a roughly 100 mile radius around Dallas. I'm assuming that having your name changed requires you to set foot in a court building at least once, so from late June/early July 1988 until her death, she would have been a permanent resident of that region. In fact, with the exception of Longview, she seems to have lived in the immediate Dallas/Ft. Worth metropolitan area exclusively. Given how much change her life appears to have involved in the late 80s and early 90s, that's an awfully sedentary lifestyle for someone who has no particular attachment to that area.

    Furthermore, according to various real estate websites the property she listed as a residential address in Boise, ID existed at the time she used it. Which means, Google Streetview would still give a fairly accurate picture of what the property looked like at the time. A quick glance shows it to be a small (duplex?) home, not some appartment block where you'd have any reasonable chance of living anonymously. From what's been posted here, I gather that none of the residents and neighbors from back then had any memory of her. So either there's a huge conspiracy among those homeowners to keep Jane Doe's identity secret, or more likely she never lived there, and the information can be discounted as proof of residency. Also, none of her supposed contacts in California (Mr. Perkins, Ms. Jeung) have any recollection of her either. I'm aware of the Ruffs' claim that she didn't have a Texas accent, but it also stands to reason that a person who grew up in a metropolitan area would have a much greater chance of speaking without an accent than someone born and raised in a somewhat more rural county such as Gregg. And then of course, just because you're from Texas doesn't mean your parents who taught you to speak have to be. And so forth.

    All of which leads me to one question. Am I correct in assuming there's no concrete evidence whatsoever that Jane Doe ever spent any significant amount of time outside the greater Dallas area, while there's plenty of evidence to show an attachment to that particular region? I understand the obvious objection to a Dallas origin: "why would someone who doesn't want to be found not change their place of residence". I'm not sure that objection is valid. The metropolitan area had roughly 5 million inhabitants at the time. It's perfectly possible to disappear in an urban area of that size. In some cases, merely avoiding certain districts will already do the trick. In addition, things like the somewhat amateurish resume, letter of reference, her GED scores contradict the hypothesis that we're dealing with a master strategist of above-average intelligence, who would cover all possible angles. At the very least, the information we have doesn't rule out a much simpler, more provincial personality, who'd (random example) ask a friend to walk her through the steps of becoming a blank slate, and then move to the other end of the city. It seems to me any difficulty in determining her identity is mainly due to the scarcity of evidence, not due to any unusual steps she took to conceal it.

    Please understand that I'm not trying to jump to any conclusions. What I'm trying to do is determine the most likely candidate area for her geographical origin, based strictly on available evidence, so the search for Jane Doe's original identity can be narrowed down. If there are any flaws in my reasoning or facts I might have gotten confused, please don't hesitate to point them out to me. I'm new to this.

    This makes sense if she changed her identity to flee a financial situation & not a domestic partner. I have wondered if she was embezzling money or simply had a huge debt that she wanted to escape. She filed for bankruptcy as FLEK, so she had money issues.

    I agree with the SSI detective that she must have had help with the identity theft--she didn't do that on her own based on the amateurish reference letter and other writing.

    I'd be interested in seeing her job history based on her SSN--where in the D/FW area did she work for all the years before she married into the Ruff family?

    She probably had some volatile relationships in her past based on her inability to get along with her in-laws. Why would someone aggressively say "IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!" when asked an innocent question about where you grew up? Why not make up something vague, then tell them that you are estranged & it's painful to talk about. The way FLEK handled it seems mentally unstable to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alllads View Post
    I think that the dates provided are just the dates reported - I was looking a while back at a missing person's case of someone missing since the late 80s, who had property reported unclaimed many years later on one of the lists (and it's definitely the same person, and it's not a recent unclaimed property). Also shows she worked for NCH Corp at the time, I'm guessing the funds are a last paycheque or something.

    Also, is there any record of her ever living in Princeton, TX? This is almost certainly a coincidence, but I've found unclaimed funds for a Becky S Turner from Melaleuca, Inc (a multi-layer marketing company) - the funds have been "reported by" the state of Idaho, and the address given for this Becky S Turner is in Princeton, Texas.
    The Melaleuca company used to sell person to person items w/ melaleuca in them. Our neighbor was always trying to get us to buy the zillion dollar laundry detergent from them that she sold. She had to keep a large inventory that she bought and sell a lot each month to meet sales goals. She lost a ton of money doing this. Perhaps this is something similar for FLEK?

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    Great posts!!

    I agree with the statement how LEK spoke to the R's about her past. Geezez...just say well... I'd rather not get into it too much...bla bla... something light rather than abrasive towards your inlaws. I can see that as being very unstable as well.
    Can we see her work history with her SSN or is that totally private?
    One would think B. Ruff would have somehow found something odd and found more info on her considering he lived with her. Hard to imagine he not wondering about her past, I find that extremely odd.
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    In relation to her alleged dancing days, I looked up the atmosphere from that time (1997). I found them to be starting a Baby Dolls club at 6300 N Central Expressway. This location was 1.4 miles away from the 6102 Mockingbird address. It is also in the vicinity of the vegetarian restaurant that had been suggested earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HerStory View Post
    In relation to her alleged dancing days, I looked up the atmosphere from that time (1997). I found them to be starting a Baby Dolls club at 6300 N Central Expressway. This location was 1.4 miles away from the 6102 Mockingbird address. It is also in the vicinity of the vegetarian restaurant that had been suggested earlier.
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    I was reading about reasons people assume false identities & one of the recommendations was that after you gain another's ID, you set about leaving a trail of MISINFORMATION--and it seems as if FLEK has done this--the bogus addresses, etc.

    It's so frustrating! I can only imagine how devastated and angry the Ruff family must be--I can't imagine being married to a stranger & only finding out about it after death.

    It seems to me that for a woman to to that to her husband is quite chilling. I mean, if I was running from an abuser, and I had changed my identity to keep him away from me, I wouldn't have a problem telling my husband, someone I met AFTER the fact.

    What could be in her past that she felt unable to even share with her husband, the father of her only child? I know the relationship fell apart right before her suicide, but it just strikes me as weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SideKick View Post
    Can we see her work history with her SSN or is that totally private?
    I do have her SSN.
    If you have a good look you'll see it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liebchenmutti View Post
    What could be in her past that she felt unable to even share with her husband, the father of her only child? I know the relationship fell apart right before her suicide, but it just strikes me as weird.
    On pure speculation: something unspectacular like a young, low-income woman with no living family wanting to get rid of an unremarkable criminal record (DUI, vandalism, theft, whatever) or a bad credit rating? Something her presumably conservative in-laws from a mid-sized Texas town would never condone, so she decided not to tell them?

    It seems to me that the sensationalist stories run by the Seattle Times and Fox have turned this into more than it is, and now people are wondering if she was an alien who had taken human form. I understand how intriguing it is to speculate about cults, serial killers, psychotic women running from phantom threats, and so on. In reality however, such things are very rare, and most cases like the one involving our Jane Doe have pretty mundane explanations.


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    They are NOT very rare. Just go through this and 100 other forums. I misspelled the name of this forum on google and found a child porn swap site( which I promptly reported). I was in federal law enforcement and it is VERY common. It's not on the news because the stuff being investigated is under wraps for YEARS so its old news by the time it goes to trial. Do a search on how many people go missing every day. Do one on kidnapping. It's a very scary world out there. The media rather sell stories about celebrities. It pays better. Look what happens in other countries. Tourists get raped for 6 hours on a bus then thrown off to die. Not a lot of surprise to me anymore. I guess if you are not looking, you don't see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liebchenmutti View Post
    She probably had some volatile relationships in her past based on her inability to get along with her in-laws. Why would someone aggressively say "IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!" when asked an innocent question about where you grew up? Why not make up something vague, then tell them that you are estranged & it's painful to talk about. The way FLEK handled it seems mentally unstable to me.
    Agreed.

    But on the other hand could be one of those things where it might be difficult to track your lies. "Did I tell my MIL we grew up in a Colonial or a Craftsman style house?" "Where did I say I went to elementary school?"

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    I have said it more than once. It it totally possible she had ties or lived in another part of Texas before..
    One thing bugging me. Why risk keeping lockbox in her house? I would fear hubby or snarky MIL finding it.. I would get a off site box to keep that kinda thing.
    Again, the ADHD meds could have been for weight loss. It is common to do this. She was bulimic
    A. Laciner has contacts in New Jersey. ( referring to previous post of not ruling NJ out) and really, I suspect he knows something. He seems shady to me from trying to find info on him..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfgufi View Post
    Just thinking out loud here, but any evidence we have of a physical residence places her within a roughly 100 mile radius around Dallas. I'm assuming that having your name changed requires you to set foot in a court building at least once, so from late June/early July 1988 until her death, she would have been a permanent resident of that region. In fact, with the exception of Longview, she seems to have lived in the immediate Dallas/Ft. Worth metropolitan area exclusively. Given how much change her life appears to have involved in the late 80s and early 90s, that's an awfully sedentary lifestyle for someone who has no particular attachment to that area.

    Furthermore, according to various real estate websites the property she listed as a residential address in Boise, ID existed at the time she used it. Which means, Google Streetview would still give a fairly accurate picture of what the property looked like at the time. A quick glance shows it to be a small (duplex?) home, not some appartment block where you'd have any reasonable chance of living anonymously. From what's been posted here, I gather that none of the residents and neighbors from back then had any memory of her. So either there's a huge conspiracy among those homeowners to keep Jane Doe's identity secret, or more likely she never lived there, and the information can be discounted as proof of residency. Also, none of her supposed contacts in California (Mr. Perkins, Ms. Jeung) have any recollection of her either. I'm aware of the Ruffs' claim that she didn't have a Texas accent, but it also stands to reason that a person who grew up in a metropolitan area would have a much greater chance of speaking without an accent than someone born and raised in a somewhat more rural county such as Gregg. And then of course, just because you're from Texas doesn't mean your parents who taught you to speak have to be. And so forth.

    All of which leads me to one question. Am I correct in assuming there's no concrete evidence whatsoever that Jane Doe ever spent any significant amount of time outside the greater Dallas area, while there's plenty of evidence to show an attachment to that particular region? I understand the obvious objection to a Dallas origin: "why would someone who doesn't want to be found not change their place of residence". I'm not sure that objection is valid. The metropolitan area had roughly 5 million inhabitants at the time. It's perfectly possible to disappear in an urban area of that size. In some cases, merely avoiding certain districts will already do the trick. In addition, things like the somewhat amateurish resume, letter of reference, her GED scores contradict the hypothesis that we're dealing with a master strategist of above-average intelligence, who would cover all possible angles. At the very least, the information we have doesn't rule out a much simpler, more provincial personality, who'd (random example) ask a friend to walk her through the steps of becoming a blank slate, and then move to the other end of the city. It seems to me any difficulty in determining her identity is mainly due to the scarcity of evidence, not due to any unusual steps she took to conceal it.

    Please understand that I'm not trying to jump to any conclusions. What I'm trying to do is determine the most likely candidate area for her geographical origin, based strictly on available evidence, so the search for Jane Doe's original identity can be narrowed down. If there are any flaws in my reasoning or facts I might have gotten confused, please don't hesitate to point them out to me. I'm new to this.
    I don't know about all that, she seems pretty bright to me. A lot of people can't even follow instructions.

    Whether she did it on her own or had help is still very much an open question.

    She did stay around the Dallas area. On the other hand, a big city like Dallas is a perfect place to get lost. And she was going to college in Arlington. In fact, she graduated from there w/ a Business Administration Degree after 7 years of night school.

    The question remains: why Dallas? The answer is probably: why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    And she was going to college in Arlington. In fact, she graduated from there w/ a Business Administration Degree after 7 years of night school.
    Can you send me in the right direction to verify this info? I admit, after the thread split, i am focusing on yearbook/facebook stuff and it is hard to keep up with every post, but I do try and think I missed it. Thanks!!

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