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    Quote Originally Posted by mfgufi View Post
    Just a thought for people trying to find matching cases. If there is such a thing as a missing person case for Jane Doe, I don't think we can make the assumption that it has to be from before 1988.

    There doesn't seem to be any evidence she actually lived as LEK prior to fall 1990, when she enrolled in college. If this was a convenience identity change (for example to erase a criminal record so that she could attend college or apply for higher income jobs), she could have arranged for her new identity long before she actually assumed it in her daily life. She may have simply kept her new papers in reserve for when the time would have been right. For example, nothing would have stopped her from taking a GED test as LEK, while still working as a waitress called Mary Jones, saving money for her planned new life.

    I'm not saying it happened that way, but at this point we can't prove that she stopped living her old life the moment she received her blank slate identity.
    I agree and have had the same thoughts!

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    Has Lisa Jean Somerton been listed?

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/722dfon.html

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: October 30, 1966
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 23 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'8"; 110 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Reddish brown, long hair; blue/brown eyes. She has a slim build and a fair complexion.

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Lisa Somerton was to be a witness against an ex-boyfriend who was charged with assaulting her.

    The police investigation into her disappearance determined she may have become depressed over having to testify and decided to run away. Without Somerton's testimony, the charges against her ex-boyfriend were withdrawn.

    At the time, her family said it would be surprising for her to leave without eventually making contact.

    Years later a former high school friend came forward to insist she'd been seen at an amusement park in North Carolina. The sighting was never confirmed.

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    Lisa jean somerton

    The girl above should definitely be added to our list. Are there any other pics of her online? The timeline and stats fit pretty perfectly. She looks like her just about as much as any of the other submitted missing women I have seen! If anyone has Canadian access on ancestry, perhaps we can find yearbook pics?
    Good find.

    It looks like Lisa's parents have offered DNA from an article, but I cannot tell if fingerprints and DNA are on file.
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    Here is the updated list of possible matches that have been discussed here.

    They are listed here in terms of status: Ruled out by NamUs, Submitted, To Be Submitted, Mentioned, and Ruled Out by WS Members.

    Using the NamUs format of first name, last name, birth year and state last known alive.

    Starting with those already ruled-out on Namus:
    Clara Giusti 1962 Washington
    Michelle Giusti 1961 Washington
    Parley Pate 1959 North Carolina
    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9863

    Submitted:
    Sheri Lynn Johnson 1970 Missouri http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...son_sheri.html
    Rose Lena Cole 1956 California http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cole_rose.html and http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2368dfca.html
    Kim Mallon 1960 California https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/4628 http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mallon_kim.html


    To be Submitted:
    Jennifer Wictor 1967 Arizona https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/4925/29 http://doenetwork.org/cases/2994dfaz.html
    Cynthia Lorraine Perry 1968 North Carolina http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...y_cynthia.html
    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/show/8281

    Other possible matches mentioned here:
    Melissa Sue Highsmith 1969 Texas http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...h_melissa.html
    Cheryl Schille Wyant 1964 California http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1787dfwa.html
    Stacey Lee Lynch 1961 Calfornia http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lynch_stacey.html and http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1080dfca.html Comments: height fits
    Lori Lee Berens 1964 Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada http://doenetwork.org/cases/349dfmb.html and http://www.nampn.org/cases/berens_lori.html
    Susan Renee Smally 1969 Texas http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ley_susan.html
    Judy Ann Gary 1966 Louisiana http://doenetwork.org/cases/1537dfla.html and http://identifyla.lsu.edu/profile.php?id=170
    Julie A Guthrie 1971 New York http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...rie_julie.html
    Mary L Day 1968 California http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/day_mary.html
    Debra Jean Cole 1969 Indiana http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cole_debra.html seems to be listed as deceased http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...&GRid=13698527
    Suzanne M Schultz 1961 Wisconsin http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...z_suzanne.html
    Martha Leanne Green 1970 Tennessee http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/green_martha.html http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US
    Robin Marlow 1954 Florida http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/marlow_robin.html and https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11352/0/
    Kelly Bergh Dove 1961 Virginia http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dove_kelly.html (reported height is way off)
    Donna Mae Jokumsen Arizona http://www.missingin.org/reg1345/donna_mae_jokumsen.htm Had shoulder tattoo that might rule her out.
    Judith Ann Ellwell 1962 Oklahoma http://charleyproject.org/cases/e/elwell_judith.html
    Leslie Anne Martin Porter 1959 California http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...er_leslie.html https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/3019 (not tall enough)
    Michelle Leone Duncan 1966 California http://doenetwork.org/cases/861dfca.html https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/5440
    Melinda Karen Creech 1965 Indiana http://doenetwork.org/cases/1297dfin.html http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...h_melinda.html (hair color off)
    Christie Lynn Farni 1972 Oregon http://doenetwork.org/cases/706dfor.html Rule out on speech impediment? Though back story might fit.
    Deborah Ann Hohenshilt 1962 Florida http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...t_deborah.html http://doenetwork.org/cases/358dffl.html Eye color different. mostly agreed that her circumstances lean toward murder.
    Lisa Jean Somerton 1966 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/722dfon.html Timing is right, but listed as 5’8” with a slight build and reddish brown hair.
    Danielle Boisevert 1961 Montreal-North, Quebec. Canada http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/733dfqc.html Listed height is way off just 5’3”.
    Mary Ann Hogland-McClusky 1968 California http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...skey_mary.html Wrong hair color, described as having a pear-shaped figure and wearing a b-cup bra when she was just 12 years old.


    Discussed and ruled out:
    The story of the potential abduction http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/66uffl.html
    Status: Timeline is off. LEK had already established a new identity in 1988, so why would she have been in danger in 1989? LEK was establishing her life in Texas by that time. Remarkable likeness, but not her.

    Anne Fahey https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8229 last seen in 1996. Timeline does not fit with FLEK

    Gayla Barnes 1956 Colorado https://www.colorado.gov/apps/coldca...l.html?id=2201 and https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7170/4/ Status: Timeline is off, Gayla was last seen in 1990 when FLEK was already established in Texas.

    Lisa Dickinson 1967 California http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/802dfca.html (Foul play is suspected) Wrong eye color, hair color (blue/blonde) listed as blonde hair, but she was 9 years old when she went missing, often hair darkens as people age. The bridge of the nose is wider (however, her age and also the possible nose job would fix that), the distance between her eyes is wider. She also has the nasolabial folds that Lori Ruff does NOT have. Lori Ruff was pretty wide in the mouth/nose area, leading to nothing in the way of nasolabial folds that some people have. She actually has a unique shape to her face and mouth in some ways. http://www.walnut-creek.org/citygov/...kidnapping.asp

    Sherry Lynn Marler 1971 Alabama http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...er_sherry.html http://doenetwork.org/cases/215dfal.html
    Timing is off, she was 12when she dissappeared from south AL in 1984. The age is off, unlikely that a 16 yr old from AL would have the smarts to make it to the Pacific NW and change her identity.

    Alice Pereira 1967 New York http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/134dfny.html Unlikely, since she was last seen with a known child murderer, Andre Rand, who is currently serving time.

    Shelly Anne Bacsu 1967 Alberta, Canada http://doenetwork.org/cases/28dfab.html Had hearing impairment and rheumatoid arthritis.

    Nancy Debra Willis, 1961, Tennessee http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/willis_nancy.html https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/12567/0/ Looks considerably different than LEK, has much fuller lips. It seems unlikely that's her. Also had leg fractured in about 8 places, so would have scars/a limp that LEK did not have. Husband was charged in other murders, and he is considered a suspect in this case.

    Cindy Irene King, 1961, Oregon, http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/king_cindy.html http://doenetwork.org/cases/1640dfor.html Reported height is off, teeth, tattoo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashyboy16 View Post
    Diane Marie Bourne has a thread here at WS: CANADA Canada - Diane Marie Bourne, 22, Ashton Ontario, 6 March 1976 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community I think she is a bit too old to be our Jane Doe and her height is way off. She was 22 when she went missing in 1976 and was just 5'2".

    I'll wait until others weigh in before I add her to the list that I just posted.
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    Robin Lynn Vansickel

    Topless dancer from Alaska

    Referenced in a book as buying cocaine from an undercover officer & then disappearing:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=UOl...sickel&f=false

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liebchenmutti View Post
    Robin Lynn Vansickel

    Topless dancer from Alaska

    Referenced in a book as buying cocaine from an undercover officer & then disappearing:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=UOl...sickel&f=false
    Here are more details on Robin Lynn Vansickel, including a picture from 1988. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...kel_robin.html
    I don't see the resemblance, she is listed as only 5'4" and the timing is off. Jane Doe was already well on her way to becoming LEK in June of 1988.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireNC View Post
    Here are more details on Robin Lynn Vansickel, including a picture from 1988. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...kel_robin.html
    I don't see the resemblance, she is listed as only 5'4" and the timing is off. Jane Doe was already well on her way to becoming LEK in June of 1988.
    I was thinking that using 1988 as a cutoff for possible matches is a mistake. I think that this change of identity was sophisticated, so we aren't going to see a missing woman on the date that would necessarily correspond to the date that FLEK got all her paperwork together.

    She might have had her new identity but still was in contact with people and places of her original identity.

    As for the heights, it's better to go ahead and consider one that doesn't match due to the high error rate I've found between missing persons sites. You can find huge differences in height, weight & eye color.

    There's a good example of a person "aging" his fake ID in the Jaime Laiaddee case. He established his new identity while he still lived as his old ID. He built up a credit history, etc. We don't know what exact date FLEK cut off all ties with her past.

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    Deborah J Stalder

    Deborah J Stalder turned state's witness in a drug-related murder. She testified to an execution-style murder. He was from North Hollywood, got a sentence very close to 402 months & I haven't found Stalder in any records since the trial.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1985-11-...414_1_van-nuys


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    Quote Originally Posted by Liebchenmutti View Post
    I was thinking that using 1988 as a cutoff for possible matches is a mistake. I think that this change of identity was sophisticated, so we aren't going to see a missing woman on the date that would necessarily correspond to the date that FLEK got all her paperwork together.

    She might have had her new identity but still was in contact with people and places of her original identity.

    As for the heights, it's better to go ahead and consider one that doesn't match due to the high error rate I've found between missing persons sites. You can find huge differences in height, weight & eye color.
    The picture of Robin Lynn Vansickel was from 1988. We have a picture of FLEK from 1988, when she got the Idaho ID card as Becky Sue. They do not look anything alike. I agree with the possibility that she continued to use multiple identities while she was creating a new one, but I just don't see any fit with Robin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liebchenmutti View Post
    Deborah J Stalder turned state's witness in a drug-related murder. She testified to an execution-style murder. He was from North Hollywood, got a sentence very close to 402 months & I haven't found Stalder in any records since the trial.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1985-11-...414_1_van-nuys
    The case involving Zimmer/Hoban/Cassanelli drug transaction/murder has been discussed here many times. Deborah Stalder has been mentioned, as has a girl related to Zimmer. We might need to search the forum and create a new thread to keep it all in one place. Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireNC View Post
    The picture of Robin Lynn Vansickel was from 1988. We have a picture of FLEK from 1988, when she got the Idaho ID card as Becky Sue. They do not look anything alike. I agree with the possibility that she continued to use multiple identities while she was creating a new one, but I just don't see any fit with Robin.



    The case involving Zimmer/Hoban/Cassanelli drug transaction/murder has been discussed here many times. Deborah Stalder has been mentioned, as has a girl related to Zimmer. We might need to search the forum and create a new thread to keep it all in one place. Thoughts?
    Sorry! I agree--maybe we need to have a thread for each possible candidate that hasn't been ruled out. I didn't realize there was so much history on this thread--and I'm off to search now! Thanks for the info on Robin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liebchenmutti View Post
    Sorry! I agree--maybe we need to have a thread for each possible candidate that hasn't been ruled out. I didn't realize there was so much history on this thread--and I'm off to search now! Thanks for the info on Robin.
    I think you misunderstood my post. We have not discussed Robin at length. It is the Deborah Stalder, Zimmer/Hoban/Cassanelli case that was discussed before.

    The thread for FLEK was started here at Websleuths in March 2012, so we have been discussing it for over a year. See this thread: TX - Longview, WhtFem (UP 9863), 41-50, Suicide - Assumed Identity, Dec'10 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
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    I'd love for her to turn out to be Judy Ann Gary (missing from St. Martinville Parish, Louisiana since 1986; age 19 at time of disappearance), just because it's a localish missing persons case for me & one that seems to get no attention (and never did).

    I cannot find any height info for Judy and the pictures are of really poor quality. Also, there's no DNA on file for Judy. Sigh. Probably not a match anyway but I'd love to see both Lori & Judy's cases resolved.

    Judy's Louisiana Respository for Missing Persons website profile:
    http://identifyla.lsu.edu/profile.php?id=170
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktgirl View Post
    I'd love for her to turn out to be Judy Ann Gary (missing from St. Martinville Parish, Louisiana since 1986; age 19 at time of disappearance), just because it's a localish missing persons case for me & one that seems to get no attention (and never did).

    I cannot find any height info for Judy and the pictures are of really poor quality. Also, there's no DNA on file for Judy. Sigh. Probably not a match anyway but I'd love to see both Lori & Judy's cases resolved.

    Judy's Louisiana Respository for Missing Persons website profile:
    http://identifyla.lsu.edu/profile.php?id=170
    She is on our list of people mentioned as matches. She has not been submitted as a possible match.
    Doe Network. http://doenetwork.org/cases/1537dfla.html
    I don't know how to do same sized side by side photos, but here is Judy's photo with a photo of FLEK from NamUs next to it.
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