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I don't know which thread I posted it in, but I posted a message about crisis cross directories. This is what used to be used to find histories of phone numbers and addresses before we had the internet. You'd have to go to a local library in that area or maybe a university library, OR, in that other thread, I posted a link to crisis cross directories that the Library of Congress has in their collection. Wish I knew which thread I posted that in. Sorry.
 
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Owutatangledweb said:
Oh, and before I get off that topic. I remember in the late eighties/early nineties, I had to go to the Library and use Criss-Cross directories to find phone numbers. Has anyone looked into these in the cities that the area codes came back to?

Oh, Looks like the Library of Congress has a collection: http://www.loc.gov/rr/business/directories/crisscross.html
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I have no idea what criss cross directories are! This is the first I have heard of it.
 
I just googled it. Is that the same as a reverse look up? In other words, you can look up the phone number to see whose it is (as opposed to looking up the name to find the number)? If so, this is pretty much the same thing. Cell phones usually aren't searchable.

http://www.whitepages.com/reverse_phone
 
The point is, we need to go back further than what is available on the internet to find WHO had the numbers in the 1980s. So, internet won't cut it. See Bookman's post in one of the Colorado connection thread about why he found. Based on what he found, I made this comment as a possibility to consider:


Please see Bookman's post. I am now wondering whether SHE was looking for a missing person rather than running from someone. Bookman's post about the source of his information is what has me wondering. It was a guide on how to find a missing person. Yet, she was going underground too? Maybe those notes were written way sooner than we think. Maybe she eventually gave up looking for who she was separated from and then she went underground after she learned exactly how to do it.
 
Owutatangledweb said:
The point is, we need to go back further than what is available on the internet to find WHO had the numbers in the 1980s. So, internet won't cut it. See Bookman's post in one of the Colorado connection thread. (snipped) Based on how and what he found, I made this comment as a possibility to consider:

Please see Bookman's post. I am now wondering whether SHE was looking for a missing person rather than running from someone. Bookman's post about the source of his information is what has me wondering. It was a guide on how to find a missing person. Yet, she was going underground too? Maybe those notes were written way sooner than we think. Maybe she eventually gave up looking for who she was separated from and then she went underground after she learned exactly how to do it.
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Here is a copy of Bookman's post. I think it is worth copying here, since it is relevant in several places.

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I believe I know the meaning of the "CNA" and the "ours 303-293-2333" notations on the scratch paper from Jane Doe's lockbox. I think the fraud lawyer and oil company identifications previously mentioned are most likely red herrings.

I searched Google Books for the string 303-293-2333. On my computer, the second result was snippet views from the following book:

How to find missing persons: a handbook for investigators/ Ronald George Eriksen 2 [sic] (Loompanics; Port Townsend, Washington, 1984), pages 83 and 84.

This book exists in at least three versions: a staple-bound "true first edition" published by Loompanics in 1981 in their original Mason, Michigan location; the 1984 edition I refer to above; and a 1994 2nd edition, revised and expanded.

I was able to get my hands on the 1994 edition, but had to request a scan of the relevant Chapter 19 (Telephone Records) of the 1984 edition from a public library. Luckily, they came through quickly. See the attached two-page PDF (handwritten notes are mine).

The author explains "[f]ortunately, Ma Bell has secret telephone numbers called "C.N.A. Service numbers" which you call, give the number in question, and you will be told the name and usually the address which correspond with that number." He further explains that the numbers are changed "at regular intervals" and that the information he gives is good "as of the first of 1984."

Following is a table of area codes, with the corresponding C.N.A. numbers. The number 303-293-2333 matches seven area codes (note that Google Books only indexes two of them). According to Wikipedia, all seven were in the batch of original area codes instituted in 1947, and most served the entire referenced state until the 1990s or 2000s.

208 Idaho
303 Colorado
307 Wyoming
406 Montana
505 New Mexico
602 Arizona
801 Utah

My interpretation of Jane Doe's notes is that "ours" refers to her own area code sometime in the 1980s, possibly prior to her name changes. I lean toward Idaho or Arizona due to other elements in the story, but of course, I'm not sure.

Just to be clear, I am also not sure at all that Jane Doe used this particular book as a reference. I do think, however, that her notes almost certainly refer to the Customer Name and Address Service.
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http://www.laalmanac.com/communications/cm01a.htm

Telephone Area Code History
Los Angeles County

Year Area Code Serving Area

October 1947
213 All of Los Angeles County

1957
805 Ventura, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, Bakersfield, Northern L.A. County (former 213)

1984
818 San Gabriel Valley, San Fernando Valley (former 213)

1991
310
Western, Eastern, & Southern L.A. County (former 213)

1992
909 Riverside, San Bernardino (former 714)

January 1997
562 Eastern L.A. County, Long Beach (former 310)

June 1997
626 San Gabriel (former 818)

June 1998
323 Los Angeles (former 213)

February 1999
661 Northern L.A. County including the Santa Clarita and Antelope Valleys (former 805)

July 2006
424 Overlay for Western L.A. County, Catalina Island (added to 310 region)

Old Telephone Exchange Names L.A. County

http://www.laalmanac.com/communications/cm01e.htm
 
Just a thought, could she have been contacting telephone companies to request copies of telephone books to be sent to her? She might have wanted telephone books for certain areas to continue her research.
 
Not sure if this thread is just for telephone companies or telephone numbers as well. But, there is a number that appears as 356-7300 that everyone appears to have assumed goes back to Joe's Barber shop in California; I think this is assumed because 818 appears somewhat above the number. I have been researching that number without the area code of 818. Assuming she was in Texas and may not need to write down the area code, that number comes back to a Texas attorney if you use area code 281. He is about 88 years old now, I believe, and practiced criminal and civil law.

http://www.whitepages.com/business/richard-o-werlein-magnolia-tx

Also got this one for the same area code of 281: http://www.switchboard.com/business/fidelity-properties-companies-magnolia-tx

area code 806 in Texas: http://local.gosanangelo.com/lawyers+title+insurance+guaranty+division.9.53328948p.home.html

If you assume an Idaho area code, I also found this: area code 208, a real estate company in RExburg, Idaho. THis address is on "Stocks" Avenue.

In california 408: http://www.whitepages.com/business/sells-financial-los-gatos-ca or another area code: http://www.switchboard.com/business/engelman-barry-ameriprise-financial-los-angeles-ca (can this be kind of a financial advisor / stockbrocker connection?)

In NEvada: http://eagle-electricinc.com/5352.html (Possible Lebaron connection? Appliance repair)

How about a Canadian lawyer? http://www.law-firms-canada.com/bruce-filan_l2230.html

For any of these, we may assume she could have been in that particular State and didn't write down the area code.
 
Owutatangledweb said:
Not sure if this thread is just for telephone companies or telephone numbers as well. But, there is a number that appears as 356-7300 that everyone appears to have assumed goes back to Joe's Barber shop in California; I think this is assumed because 818 appears somewhat above the number. I have been researching that number without the area code of 818. Assuming she was in Texas and may not need to write down the area code, that number comes back to a Texas attorney if you use area code 281. He is about 88 years old now, I believe, and practiced criminal and civil law.

http://www.whitepages.com/business/richard-o-werlein-magnolia-tx

If you assume an Idaho area code, I also found this: area code 208, a real estate company in RExburg, Idaho.

I'm still searching further.
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Great post! This thread was set up to discuss why FLEK had various numbers for telephone companies on her note page. We have been discussing the various other phone numbers on the Notes Page thread. So I am going copy your message into that thread, too.
 
ClaireNC said:
Here is a copy of Bookman's post. I think it is worth copying here, since it is relevant in several places.


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I'd be interested to hear from bookman to see if he has any additional insights, having read the Loompanics book.
 
A MoneyGram location in New York. It would be interesting to look at this one further. Even though there has not been a New York connection, this number may have some further history in the 1980s. Who knows.........

In the Lebaron case, Jackie Tarsa Lebaron was accused of sending money to the group in texas to carry out their 1988 executions. Who knows if this service was available back then? Or, maybe the mail drop box in Boulder City?

http://locations.moneygram.com/ny/spring-valley/301749374/
 
Seems like this was probably a pretty small town in the 80s. I wonder how long some of these credit unions may have been around? She used a check to obtain BST's birth certificate. Wonder if there are any long term employees at these places that may recognize her early photos. Some have speculated whether she was already in texas when she obtained that or whether she was in Idaho. In my view at this point, she could have been in any one of five States, or even in Mexico. But we do know she was physically in Idaho to get the ID.

http://www.byui.edu/Documents/human-resources/Welcome to Rexburg booklet.pdf
 
Owutatangledweb said:
Seems like this was probably a pretty small town in the 80s. I wonder how long some of these credit unions may have been around? She used a check to obtain BST's birth certificate. Wonder if there are any long term employees at these places that may recognize her early photos. Some have speculated whether she was already in texas when she obtained that or whether she was in Idaho. In my view at this point, she could have been in any one of five States, or even in Mexico. But we do know she was physically in Idaho to get the ID.

http://www.byui.edu/Documents/human-resources/Welcome to Rexburg booklet.pdf
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She probably used a "money order" to pay for the copy of the birth certificate. Totally anonymous. Just walk into a post office or grocery store and give them the cash and they give you a check made out in that amount. No id required.
 
No place else to really post this. The home phone number on her passport application comes back to the following company. No telling when that company had that phone number or if she just made up a bogus one. But, can't find any trace of this company other than this link. There are other companies by that name that don't have anything to do with Dallas. Also searched the name of supposed owner and get an old guy and a guy that seems too young. There is a MA Cconnection, but it seems this person may have had the phone number later. However, the company itself might have been around back then, just can't find anything about it. Just caught interest because it is an entertainment company.

http://email-list.co/listing/kim-entertainment-50b2341abb956.html

The address in the link comes back to a River Falls Apartments or River Falls Park Apartments, something like that.
 
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