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    MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #5

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    Cool

    Trying to catch up on old posts, but just wanted to jump in and point out that too much emphasis should not be put on the boys height and weight descriptions of the perp. Adults have a hard time describing details after the fact, and as someone with kids I can tell you they are terrible at guaging heights and weights and ages. Especially while with a gun on them, lying in a ditch at night.

    I have been held up at gun point, in broad daylight, and had a hard time describing the guy and his clothes afterwards. There is no fear like having a gun pointed at you. I'd assume that the authorities wanted a general idea of any details about the guy that they could get, but can't put too much stock in it.

    Plus I think DR probably went in and put on some bulky clothes and spoke in a weird voice intentionally to try and "disguise" himself albeit poorly.

    Whoever pointed out that it makes no sense for anyone but DR to have been able to run and put on dark clothes and a mask made an excellent point. We are to accept that there was a party of pedos in the woods and they travel with masks and dark clothes?

    I think the simplest answer is usually the right one and all of these other crazy theories just don't make sense. Especially when you take into account the fact that DR's parents were out of the country (for the first time?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenilou View Post
    Trying to catch up on old posts, but just wanted to jump in and point out that too much emphasis should not be put on the boys height and weight descriptions of the perp. Adults have a hard time describing details after the fact, and as someone with kids I can tell you they are terrible at guaging heights and weights and ages. Especially while with a gun on them, lying in a ditch at night.

    I have been held up at gun point, in broad daylight, and had a hard time describing the guy and his clothes afterwards. There is no fear like having a gun pointed at you. I'd assume that the authorities wanted a general idea of any details about the guy that they could get, but can't put too much stock in it.

    Plus I think DR probably went in and put on some bulky clothes and spoke in a weird voice intentionally to try and "disguise" himself albeit poorly.

    Whoever pointed out that it makes no sense for anyone but DR to have been able to run and put on dark clothes and a mask made an excellent point. We are to accept that there was a party of pedos in the woods and they travel with masks and dark clothes?

    I think the simplest answer is usually the right one and all of these other crazy theories just don't make sense. Especially when you take into account the fact that DR's parents were out of the country (for the first time?).

    jmho
    I agree about DR trying to disguise his voice..if in fact DR was the perp. He has a very distinctive voice, almost effeminate, jmo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyJo View Post
    I agree about DR trying to disguise his voice..if in fact DR was the perp. He has a very distinctive voice, almost effeminate, jmo.
    Being a music teacher and even being involved in choral things makes voice disguise very easy.

    But, it could have been a pedo visitor to the DR home.

    The revelations of the activities of the pedo priests is astounding. The travel to foreign countries with kids. The cabins. Ugh.

    They could have done it together if there was a special visitor. Car awaiting

    Runners are really strong.

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    Human,

    I recall reading in previous posts that you were involved in the search efforts. Do you recall what areas you searched? Specifically, do you recall coming across this "party spot" in the woods across from the Rassier Farm?
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    Curious, Does anyone know precisely where the search dogs lost the scent of jacob? I know that his footprints abruptly vanished several feet away from the curve in the driveway. http://saintautumn.files.wordpress.c.../07/stjoe2.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by marlins View Post
    Human,

    I recall reading in previous posts that you were involved in the search efforts. Do you recall what areas you searched? Specifically, do you recall coming across this "party spot" in the woods across from the Rassier Farm?
    I was with a group of friends that searched areas that were different. Nowhere near the site. I was not in the group, but one of our group was given specific information about a place. Address and everything. It turned out no such place existed.

    At the time, DR was not on anyone's radar screen. I have no idea when he got on the list and why.

    At the time,everyone thought he had been taken away from the area in a car.

    This was such an unusual event that I think no one knew any if the information that they do now about crimes of this nature.

    It would be nice to know if people knew about the party spot.

    One would think it would have been investigated,

    I think at the time much more info was given to media and I do not recall any discussion of a party spot.

    It just boggles my mind that Kevin and the rest of the family he was seeing at the time did not give info to LE. Even info about the party spot. So strange.

    If you recall the pleas were so numerous and everywhere, TV,,radio, newspaper,,billboards, vigils, concerts,

    It makes me wonder if anyone else knows something they have never told for some obscure reason.

    I hope if it has anything to do with the pervert situation at the college that they do not believe that they are absolved. They are on a one way ticket and it is not to heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marlins View Post
    Curious, Does anyone know precisely where the search dogs lost the scent of jacob? I know that his footprints abruptly vanished several feet away from the curve in the driveway. http://saintautumn.files.wordpress.c.../07/stjoe2.jpg
    I have read where it ended, but I forget.

    I lost faith in dogs when I followed the Somer Thompson case , maybe four or so years ago.

    It was Florida and she was killed right in the home of the perp.

    The dogs had gone into the yard of the perp and no indication at all of them taking any scent.

    The pervert was found because former roommates insisted to LE that there was something hinky about him and they were right!

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    I vaguely recall something about the dogs losing the scent about halfway up the driveway.

    Marlins: Off topic a bit, but you mentioned the Reker girls earlier and when I was looking for info in my post on the last thread on suspects, I found this reference to their case that had a lot of info and names I had never seen before. I thought you might be interested.

    http://open.salon.com/blog/laura_wil...minnesota_1974


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    Quote Originally Posted by shergal View Post
    I vaguely recall something about the dogs losing the scent about halfway up the driveway.

    Marlins: Off topic a bit, but you mentioned the Reker girls earlier and when I was looking for info in my post on the last thread on suspects, I found this reference to their case that had a lot of info and names I had never seen before. I thought you might be interested.

    http://open.salon.com/blog/laura_wil...minnesota_1974
    That is so chilling. The cover up of the Catholic church! Shame!

    Heaven is not smiling or welcoming.

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    Human,
    Thanks for the detailed response concerning your roll in the search efforts.
    Even though I was 7 years old at the time of Jacob's abduction, I vividly remember the effects it had on the community (I grew up in st. cloud)... I remember the reports of the white van and the different police composites that were released to the media.
    Why it took Kevin so many years to report his role at the scene is very odd. Maybe, he figured that his conversation with the police at the scene was recorded and didnt feel a need to elaborate further?

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    O/T: I don't think the problem lies just with the catholic church.

    Anyway, on Joy Baker's blog, in the July 7th entry Joy writes
    Patty mentioned that, although she had never let her own kids go to the Tom Thumb after dark before, there was another boy who lived in their neighborhood who went there on a regular basis. What if he had been the real target? What if Jacob had simply been a victim of circumstance… a kid who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
    So... does anyone know if this other boys background and those around him were ever looked into? It could lead to the identity of who took JW...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shergal View Post
    I vaguely recall something about the dogs losing the scent about halfway up the driveway.

    Marlins: Off topic a bit, but you mentioned the Reker girls earlier and when I was looking for info in my post on the last thread on suspects, I found this reference to their case that had a lot of info and names I had never seen before. I thought you might be interested.

    http://open.salon.com/blog/laura_wil...minnesota_1974
    Shergal,

    Thanks for posting the link to this article. The Reker's were neighbors when I was a child and remain family friends. On a sad note, Fred (the father) recently passed away. So sad that he never received closure.
    Last edited by marlins; 07-13-2013 at 10:21 PM. Reason: deleted a sentence

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffetoflies View Post
    O/T: I don't think the problem lies just with the catholic church.

    Anyway, on Joy Baker's blog, in the July 7th entry Joy writes

    So... does anyone know if this other boys background and those around him were ever looked into? It could lead to the identity of who took JW...
    I've never heard anything about it, so no idea whose boy it would be. But since the abductor looked in the boys faces before telling Aaron and Trevor to leave, you'd think he'd have known Jacob was not some other neighbor boy - supposing he knew who he was looking for.

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