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    The 5th amendment and the right to remain silent means that no person can be compelled to testify against themselves in a criminal proceeding. It doesn't apply to civil cases, and it means nothing in terms of speaking to friends & family as they are not law enforcement. There are some exclusions, such as excited utterances can be used against a person even if/when they've been mirandized (or not).

    The fact that JY declined to ever speak to his friends and wouldn't talk to anyone about the murder, including answering the civil subpoena and custody/visitation lawsuit is not a protected right and a logical inference can be made there's a reason he refused to speak to his family, his friends, the civil lawyers and other non-government parties.

    A jury can't hold it against a defendant who doesn't get on the stand and testify (although JY did in trial #1 and finally locked himself into a BS story that came back to bite him big time), but they sure can wonder why that same defendant defaulted on civil matters and refused to talk to friends and kept little CY from seeing her aunt and grandma for no good reason. Ahhh but wait...there was a good reason.... turns out little CY was talking about what she saw that fateful night/morning and it was right after that she was spirited away.


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    http://www.wral.com/nc-court-to-hear...rial/13204187/

    NC Courts to hear JY appeal on Thursday.


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    http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local...statereply.pdf

    States response in PDF to appeal...I'm hoping for oral arguments; because in NC they do allow coverage. Will wral cover it? I've emailed to ask....will let you know if I get any response.
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    OK; Breaking news, wral has responded; they are the pool camera, hearing begins at 9:30am tomorrow morning.

    I think we should still have the Dec Trials Thread....even if it's just for hearings...but we can follow along this way as well.

    Let's hope that it's denied.....

    Maybe we could have a sticky for the hearing? Thank you!!
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    Hopefully it won't be overturned!
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    The 3 Judge panel won't write their opinion after hearing arguments for at least 3-4 months
    (Timeline for similar appeals)


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    Well at least wral is willing to be the pool and give us a live feed.
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    It took about 5 months to get a decision in the Cooper case after oral arguments.


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    Bumping, Live Feed will start in 20 minutes for Live Hearing
    wral.com
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    Live Feed is ON www.wral.com no audio yet no judges in the room yet.
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    so the judges say they are going to take a brief recess and wral cuts the feed; the live feed; and already is replaying. They were not finished. Geez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherry View Post
    so the judges say they are going to take a brief recess and wral cuts the feed; the live feed; and already is replaying. They were not finished. Geez.
    They were finished with the Young hearing. The recess was called before the next appeal was to be called


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    I'm confused
    Just because you think it, that doesn't make it true.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boodles View Post
    I just saw that. What took them so long? Poor Mrs. Fisher, Meredith and Cassidy, although they knew this was coming.

    I followed this trial. I can't find the juror instructions, but no way Judge Stephens said the jury could construe his silence as evidence of guilt! To the contrary, asI recall, because it made me cringe to hear his silence could not be used against him. but the defense must have some basis or that issue to be raised. Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the instructions or can you explain?

    We knew the teacher's testimony about the dolls would be one basis for appeal (right to confront accuser grounds).

    Anyway, I love Judge Stephens. I trust his judgment.
    HiYa, Boods - I'm way late on coming into this, and your request above may have already been answered, but anyway, here is the WRAL livestream of Judge Stephens' charge & instructions to the jury:

    http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m.../#/vid10805888

    This whole thing angers me -- the evidence was there and this awful man is guilty, guilty, and guilty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    The 5th amendment and the right to remain silent means that no person can be compelled to testify against themselves in a criminal proceeding. It doesn't apply to civil cases, and it means nothing in terms of speaking to friends & family as they are not law enforcement. There are some exclusions, such as excited utterances can be used against a person even if/when they've been mirandized (or not).

    The fact that JY declined to ever speak to his friends and wouldn't talk to anyone about the murder, including answering the civil subpoena and custody/visitation lawsuit is not a protected right and a logical inference can be made there's a reason he refused to speak to his family, his friends, the civil lawyers and other non-government parties.

    A jury can't hold it against a defendant who doesn't get on the stand and testify (although JY did in trial #1 and finally locked himself into a BS story that came back to bite him big time), but they sure can wonder why that same defendant defaulted on civil matters and refused to talk to friends and kept little CY from seeing her aunt and grandma for no good reason. Ahhh but wait...there was a good reason.... turns out little CY was talking about what she saw that fateful night/morning and it was right after that she was spirited away.
    bbm

    Excellent comments, Maddie!

    I don't know about the 5th, but as to my bbm, the defendant is advised that he/she has to answer all questions -- as Brad Cooper was in the custody hearing of his daughters.

    Note: IANAL.
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