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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonto View Post
    Or they just don't display their shenanigans in plain sight.

    Teenage girls are nearly uniform in their proclivity (and competence) for sneakiness.
    No...these girls are nerds, sigh, lol...
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    I still can't get over the 11,000 Twitter followers.I bet that blew the FBI's database up.

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    my bet is on cyber stalker. praying this girl turns up alive asap, she seems feisty and well able to fight back.
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    What a terrifying case. I'm glad so many people are working on it around the clock.

    I do have to say—and this isn't to call anyone here out, merely to touch upon something that's already been brought up a lot—that it makes me so sad the way someone's social media usage is discussed as a victimization factor. I'll repeat this to the grave, but sexually motivated offenses are so so much more likely to be opportunistic rather than calculated. Serial predators select victims they believe they can overpower based on their location, body language, etc. Stalking cases are obviously different, and that's what's been discussed here, but consider the mental state of a stalker, who can build an entire fantasy out of a misinterpreted glance. If AM were the subject of a stalker's fancy, she needn't have posted a single suggestive photo of herself to fuel that to the point of an abduction/rape.

    In fact, a stalker's obsession is often rooted in a need to "possess" a person wholly, to be the only one with access to their mind and body. Even a stalker sick enough to do something like this would likely have been deterred by the fact that 11,000 other people potentially had "access" to AM. A stalker sick enough to do something like this could have become fixated on AM as she walked across a parking lot in a hoodie and jeans.

    Consider some recent abduction/murder cases that were found to have been committed for this reason. You will all too frequently find that the perpetrator was someone known to the victim for completely innocuous reasons, and in some of the sickest cases, watched her grow up as a friend of the family (like the current Amber Alert case in California.)

    All you need to do is accidentally make the acquaintance of a man with a debilitating sense of entitlement towards anything he finds sexually gratifying. The man probably grew up surrounded by billboards and commercials that sold women as commodities in ways far more explicit than anything AM tweeted. He grew up reading about all the horrible things that went on to happen to these women and how everybody's first question is never "who could possibly think they could do this to her?" but "what was she wearing when it happened?"

    I just graduated from a large, public university that is no stranger to constant stories of date rape and assaults. A man was posing as a taxi driver and assaulting drunk women he picked up from downtown bars. Everyone wanted to know how somebody could let themselves get so drunk they couldn't tell it wasn't a real taxi. They haven't made an arrest yet, but a man was questioned for it after attempting to assault multiple women he had offered rides to and followed home from bars. He already had a peeping tom record, but had never been arrested—just banned from the county. It wasn't very effective because he showed up at my house one night at 2 in the morning the one week my roommates and boyfriend were all out of town. (a longer story that didn't end in any crime being committed, thank god, but probably not relevant to type out here)

    Regardless, I am confident that he didn't choose me because of my online activities. But because he was able to see me through my window into my house where I sat in pajamas, and where there were suddenly way less cars parked. So it sucks that if something had happened to me that night, someone could've googled me, stumbled upon sexual references I apparently so brazenly made, perhaps found that I've posted on fashion/makeup forums and made inferences about my crippling need for male acceptance, and then steered the conversation towards the failure of mothers everywhere in teaching their daughters to have more respect for themselves and be less sexual, or else (to hyperbolize a viewpoint that very offensively portrays rational men) some knuckle-dragging, sex-starved barbarian might accidentally see them doing so.

    It was lose/lose for AM since day one, and for any woman who angered the wrong man by denying him the sexuality she was taught to simultaneously flaunt and conceal. Let's hope that these odds didn't manifest in the worst possible way for AM, and that she'll be found unharmed.

    So, LONG, LONG, story short— I put myself in AM's parents' shoes and I'm not appalled by what I didn't know about my daughter's online activities. I'm appalled by what other parents are teaching their sons about respect, bodily autonomy, and impulse control. (It's not about stranger danger and telling rapists to stop being rapists. Damaged perceptions begin in childhood.)

    So um, I did NOT think this was going to end up as a rant-novel.. Mods, please feel free to remove/edit this if I just went so off-topic the conversation as we knew it is now drifting out to sea somewhere. Keep on sleuthin', sleuthers.
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    There have been a number of cases here, just in the past year, where teen girls have met up with male "friends" met through their social media and ended up either running off with them and/or being kidnapped. That is the reason, IMO, that many here are concerned, worried, shocked, whatever by her SM.
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonto View Post
    Or they just don't display their shenanigans in plain sight.

    Teenage girls are nearly uniform in their proclivity (and competence) for sneakiness.
    Maybe it depends upon where you live. I agree that many pubescent females may have a narcisstic enjoyment of their new bodies, but online activity of the sort displayed by this young woman would be highly unusual around here. The community is just too integrated for a kid to get away with it.

    Was there nobody among her family or friends who was alarmed by her online presence? Did they all think it was normal too?

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    As a person who deals with social media as part of my job .. I assure you that her behavior online isn't shocking or abnormal. vine, twitter, tumblr, facebook, snap chat, youtube accts and askfm are all ways her generation and the one above it socialize with people and HOPE to become "discovered". Doesn't anyone realize how new celebs are reality based (term I'm using rather loosely here) and anything "instant" is more than accepted? People tweet quasi celebs with the hope to be discovered or befriended. She has 11K followers (how many is SHE following, there's a reason I'm asking) - so she has a pretty strong web presence and I would love to know her tumblr because from there a lot more comes to light.

    Hell, there's tumblr's out there dedicated to exposing "scene queens" and "efamous" people with the max out age of 23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    There have been a number of cases here, just in the past year, where teen girls have met up with male "friends" met through their social media and ended up either running off with them and/or being kidnapped. That is the reason, IMO, that many here are concerned, worried, shocked, whatever by her SM.
    This is true. I got a little carried way and I think my frustration leaked over into the general more so than this case in particular. However, I feel like in most of those cases, and I don't mean this disparagingly towards any victim, the girls were a lot younger and more insecure, and seemingly a lot less popular/confident. Men who seek to harm girls they meet online go for the most vulnerable and insecure and their initial interactions appear to be based in mutual respect and "I understand you more than your family/peers" type claims. I don't think AM projected any of that and that it would be pretty hard for one of her thousands of fans to get her individual attention. All super IMO only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bettiepageturner View Post
    What a terrifying case. I'm glad so many people are working on it around the clock.

    I do have to say—and this isn't to call anyone here out, merely to touch upon something that's already been brought up a lot—that it makes me so sad the way someone's social media usage is discussed as a victimization factor. I'll repeat this to the grave, but sexually motivated offenses are so so much more likely to be opportunistic rather than calculated. Serial predators select victims they believe they can overpower based on their location, body language, etc—much like a lion wouldn't waste its time watching a single gazelle while countless others present themselves as easier prey. Stalking cases are obviously different, and that's what's been discussed here, but consider the mental state of a stalker, who can build an entire fantasy out of a misinterpreted glance. If AM were the subject of a stalker's fancy, she needn't have posted a single suggestive photo of herself to fuel that to the point of an abduction/rape.

    In fact, a stalker's obsession is often rooted in a need to "possess" a person wholly, to be the only one with access to their mind and body. This is further exacerbated by our culture's obsession with "purity" and our need to value women on their virginity or lack thereof (further reading: madonna/whore dichotomy). Even a stalker sick enough to do something like this would likely have been deterred by the fact that 11,000 other people potentially had "access" to AM. A stalker sick enough to do something like this could have become fixated on AM as she walked across a parking lot in a hoodie and jeans.

    Consider some recent abduction/murder cases that were found to have been committed for this reason. You will all too frequently find that the perpetrator was someone known to the victim for completely innocuous reasons, and in some of the sickest cases, watched her grow up as a friend of the family (like the current Amber Alert case in California.)

    You don't need to post suggestive images of yourself and others; you only need to accidentally make the acquaintance of a man with a debilitating sense of entitlement towards anything he finds sexually gratifying. The man probably grew up surrounded by billboards and commercials that sold women as commodities in ways far more explicit than anything AM tweeted. He grew up being rejected by these women, despite being trained by culture and media that he "deserved" them, and he grew up reading about all the horrible things that went on to happen to these women and how everybody's first question is never "who could possibly think they could do this to her?" but "what was she wearing when it happened?"

    It sickens me that that's going to be the line of questioning, should something like this ever happen to me. I just graduated from a large, public university that is no stranger to constant stories of date rape and assaults. A man was posing as a taxi driver and assaulting drunk women he picked up from downtown bars. Everyone wanted to know how somebody could let themselves get so drunk they couldn't tell it wasn't a real taxi. They haven't made an arrest yet, but a man was questioned for it after attempting to assault multiple women he had offered rides to and followed home from bars. He already had a peeping tom record, but had never been arrested—just banned from the county. It wasn't very effective because he showed up at my house one night at 2 in the morning the one week my roommates and boyfriend were all out of town. (a longer story that didn't end in any crime being committed, thank god, but probably not relevant to type out here)

    Regardless, I am confident that he didn't choose me because I had my workplace listed on my facebook, or because I occasionally post artistic/racy photography on my tumblr, or even because I used to be a sex/culture/humor columnist and those articles are available anywhere.

    So, yeah, it sucks that if something had happened to me that night, someone would've googled me, stumbled upon sexual references I apparently so brazenly made, perhaps found that I've posted on fashion/makeup forums and made inferences about my crippling need for male acceptance, and then derailed the investigation by lamenting the failure of mothers everywhere in teaching their daughters to have more respect for themselves and be less sexual, or else (to hyperbolize a viewpoint that very offensively portrays rational men) some knuckle-dragging, sex-starved barbarian might accidentally see them doing so. There's only so much that can be done in that regard, in any case, since from the day she learns to read a girl is going to learn that her appearance and sexuality are, in fact, the (unstated) primary factors she has going for her. Shortly thereafter she's going to learn how mad men will get when she denies them of this sexuality she's been taught to simultaneously flaunt and conceal.

    It was lose/lose for AM since day one. Let's hope that didn't manifest in the worst possible way, and that she'll be found unharmed.

    So, LONG, LONG, story short— I put myself in AM's parents' shoes and I'm not appalled by what I didn't know about my daughter's online activities. I'm appalled by what other parents are teaching their sons about respect, bodily autonomy, and impulse control. (It's not about stranger danger and telling rapists to stop being rapists. Damaged perceptions begin in childhood.)

    So um, I did NOT think this was going to end up as a rant-novel.. Mods, please feel free to remove/edit this if I just went so off-topic the conversation as we knew it is now drifting out to sea somewhere. And keep on sleuthin', sleuthers. I'm still super new to posting but am no less impressed since the time I first lurked.
    I would have to say that of course there are many sexual predators who will target victims based on the points you made.

    But sexual predators come in many forms. And some become sexual predators after exposure to specific stimuli, which can include exposure to sexually explicit stimuli (like porn, photos, real life settings). To make the broad generalisation you are making is the same as the opposite view that all victims lead on their predators.

    Just like non-predators are a varied lot, so are those who are predators. To make assumptions about how a predator thinks without any further information on who it may be is simple sleuthing (which we love!) but doesn't rule out any other circumstances.

    Some predators will seek out 'easy' targets (I don't mean any victim is easy, rather the perception of the predator is that they are 'easy prey'). Some predators will seek out a challenge. Some will seek those with blue eyes and blonde hair, others will seek children, others will target those who remind them of their mother. The internet INCREASES the access predators have to potential victims - this is a fact. Instead of having access to a small community, they now have access to the whole world (potentially). If they are searching for a particular look, a particular type of photo, this can expose the person to their net of opportunity.

    This is why I am SO SO SO against this rapid increase in young girls and women posting particular types of photos, images, comments, etc that may put them in harm's way. This in no way is a reflection on the TYPE of person a girl/woman is, it is more about how other may PERCEIVE them.

    In an ideal world, we should all be able to walk around butt naked if we want, but it's not an ideal world. The rights we have as members of society are unfortunately outweighed now by the actions we can take to keep ourselves safe. This does not mean we have to wrap ourselves in bubble wrap, but it does mean we can take positive action to protect ourselves, whilst still living a fulfilling life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangeworld View Post
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    This is why I am SO SO SO against this rapid increase in young girls and women posting particular types of photos, images, comments, etc that may put them in harm's way. This in no way is a reflection on the TYPE of person a girl/woman is, it is more about how other may PERCEIVE them.

    In an ideal world, we should all be able to walk around butt naked if we want, but it's not an ideal world. The rights we have as members of society are unfortunately outweighed now by the actions we can take to keep ourselves safe. This does not mean we have to wrap ourselves in bubble wrap, but it does mean we can take positive action to protect ourselves, whilst still living a fulfilling life.
    Everything you said about predator psychology is correct. Sometimes all I can do when I try to make sense of this horrible aspect of life is generalize, but I'll probably never come close to understanding, or being less scared every day.

    And it's true that we need to take precautions, especially since (and I won't drag up this debate again, sorry in advance!) up to 1 in 3 girls/1 in 4 women will be sexually abused. But so many of those cases involve caretakers, people in authority, school acquaintances, and I start to think the way we talk about rape just isn't productive. I don't mean to criticize the tone of discussion when a person's activities were obviously relevant, but it just makes me sad to read after-the-fact rape prevention tips when the victim in question was going about her business in a way that wasn't inherently hazardous.

    I can do my best to not walk to my car alone at night—as of right now it's unavoidable—but when I read about a girl being assaulted by a knife-wielding man at 3 PM on a running trail I frequent, I wonder how all the rape-prevention advice I've been given could've come in handy at all. I'm equally as likely to run on that trail as I am to walk the half mile to my house from a bar on a well-lit street with a few beers in me, or completely sober from a late-night meeting on campus. At what point do I reconsider my behavior, when the world seems to want to compare my body being violated by a psychopath to a car stereo being stolen out of an unlocked car?

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    Given what Betty has said, I'm going to take this opportunity to repeat something that I stated earlier. Her online persona is relevant but not necessarily in the way one might expect. She posted pics of her butt in tight pants because she wears those same pants in public. She chatted with random strangers because she is young and naive. But these characteristics aren't just who she is on Twitter. They are also who she is when she's not on Twitter.

    Imagine her jumping out of one of those sexy Twitter photos and walking around like that. If you think 11,000 Twitter followers is a lot, just imagine how many guys look at a woman's butt when she's walking through the grocery store or the mall in tight pants. I bet 80 percent of men do that. The other 20 percent probably have wives who do kick boxing. In a single day, that might be hundreds if not thousands of guys radaring in on this girl. And there are probably lots of guys striking up conversations with her in real life. Social media seems very foreign and different from day-to-day life. But it's really just an extension of it. Sure, people are more likely to make a comment on Twitter than while walking through the grocery store. But they're also much more likely to follow a girl to her car impulsively than to go through days or weeks of prepping to abduct a particular girl.

    It's possible that someone she met through social media hurt her. But it might not have been a stalker at all. It might have been a random 19-year-old boy who had no plans of hurting her but reacted spontaneously and impulsively. It might have been a guy she had been dating for weeks who finally lost control and gave into the sickness in his mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bettiepageturner View Post
    Everything you said about predator psychology is correct. Sometimes all I can do when I try to make sense of this horrible aspect of life is generalize, but I'll probably never come close to understanding, or being less scared every day.

    And it's true that we need to take precautions, especially since (and I won't drag up this debate again, sorry in advance!) up to 1 in 3 girls/1 in 4 women will be sexually abused. But so many of those cases involve caretakers, people in authority, school acquaintances, and I start to think the way we talk about rape just isn't productive. I don't mean to criticize the tone of discussion when a person's activities were obviously relevant, but it just makes me sad to read after-the-fact rape prevention tips when the victim in question was going about her business in a way that wasn't inherently hazardous.

    I can do my best to not walk to my car alone at night—as of right now it's unavoidable—but when I read about a girl being assaulted by a knife-wielding man at 3 PM on a running trail I frequent, I wonder how all the rape-prevention advice I've been given could've come in handy at all. I'm equally as likely to run on that trail as I am to walk the half mile to my house from a bar on a well-lit street with a few beers in me, or completely sober from a late-night meeting on campus. At what point do I reconsider my behavior, when the world seems to want to compare my body being violated by a psychopath to a car stereo being stolen out of an unlocked car?
    Sadly, though, a lot of people of both sexes seem to take more caution to protect their possessions than they do their bodies/self. We lock up our cars at night if on the street and alarm the house but go out walking or jogging after dark, for example. Of COURSE people should be able to do what they want without fear of violence, but life just is not that way and we show we know that by how we protect our things, IMO.
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carterkatt View Post
    But, this "Bible belt", rural country. Lynchburg is a progressive college town, with heavy influence of Liberty University (Falwells).
    I live in Lynchburg and I have NEVER heard the words progressive and Falwell in the same sentence. Just sayin'

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    Also worth mentioning...

    1. This is a very fast, very fit young lady. It would be fairly difficult for someone to abduct her. It would almost certainly require a weapon or for her to be enclosed in a vehicle or room before realizing that she was in danger.

    2. This girl had her phone with her constantly. Yet she wasn't able to send as much as two words to indicate that there was a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachlvr0810 View Post
    Does anyone else find it odd that her car was locked? If I was dumping a car, I wouldn't think of locking it...I'd be more concerned about getting out of there without somebody seeing me.
    It's a Nissan...they have been known to lock themselves after a few minutes. Not sure that is what happened here but from personal experience, I know it does happens.

    One thing that really bothers me...the scent leading to the clubhouse. In the 2005 Fairfax Rape & vicious attack...the victim was dragged to the clubhouse. The sketch, in Morgan H's case comes from that case and DNA linked one man to both the FFX victim and MH.

    I checked the court records for SMC and he has lots of arrests for minor offenses in Appomattox County but it does not appear as if he was incarcerated at the time of MH's death. I checked court records for Nelson, Albemarle, Fairfax and Orange Counties in Virginia and found nothing further.

    His last arrest was for leaving the scene of an accident...not sure if that was a felony or not. AFAIK, Virginia requires DNA for felonies and possibly not Misdemeanors. However, the Fairfax County Police arrested Vanessa Pham's killer on a simple retail charge of something similar to changing a tag on an item. But the value of the item may have made it a felony. With that arrest they actually had forensic evidence linking him to VP's murder. Had to have been DNA because, it seems, he would have been fingerprinted for his other earlier arrests.
    The facts are now buried amongst theory, opinion and rumor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachlvr0810 View Post
    Exactly! And if someone didn't take it but still rummaged through it, then their fingerprints would be all over everything. Locking the car seems like something Alexis may have done herself. I always lock my car when I get out.
    In the 2005 Taylor Behl case, Ben Fawley parked her car on a public street and deliberately left it unlocked. He also switched out the license plates. The car sat parked for two weeks before it was identified as Taylor's and a guy by the name of Jessie was under the microscope for a few days because he had some connection to the car...scent dogs, IIRC, tracked to his aunt's apartment...a few blocks away.
    The facts are now buried amongst theory, opinion and rumor.

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    Before I head off to bed, I want to mention one more thing. She had a midnight curfew. If something happened, it must have happened Saturday before about 11:30 p.m., which is when she would have been on her way home. That window is prime dating and partying time.

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    Sorry if this has already been posted.
    http://www.wset.com/story/23076250/m...-disappearance

    I found it interesting that, to paraphrase, mgt of Carmike say the car Alexis was driving showed up in their parking lot sometime after 11 am on Tuesday. The theatre is 20 yards from her grandmother's backyard. As well, Alexis's uncle lives at Rio Hill Apartments, which is also close to the theatre parking lot.

    I don't think there is video surveillance of the parking lot, which is really unfortunate.

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    One thing that really bothers me...the scent leading to the clubhouse. In the 2005 Fairfax Rape & vicious attack...the victim was dragged to the clubhouse. The sketch, in Morgan H's case comes from that case and DNA linked one man to both the FFX victim and MH.
    Interesting. I wonder if this is why they called Mrs. Harrington this AM.

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    Still, it seems weird to me that LE would contact Morgan's parents. Why wouldn't they just contact the LE on her case? What could the parents know that they could not get from LE? I have never heard of this happening before, where parents of another victim were contacted directly so early in another case.
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wendiesan View Post
    Sorry if this has already been posted.
    http://www.wset.com/story/23076250/m...-disappearance

    I found it interesting that, to paraphrase, mgt of Carmike say the car Alexis was driving showed up in their parking lot sometime after 11 am on Tuesday. The theatre is 20 yards from her grandmother's backyard. As well, Alexis's uncle lives at Rio Hill Apartments, which is also close to the theatre parking lot.

    I don't think there is video surveillance of the parking lot, which is really unfortunate.
    I'm having hinks due to the proximities of these persons and her car. Might just be a coincidence though.

    Also, the gym nearby is on record as stating that their cameras point in that direction but LE hasn't (as of this AM) came by to look to see if they are of any help. I imagine LE has done this by now though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonto View Post
    Interesting. I wonder if this is why they called Mrs. Harrington this AM.
    This is very interesting. I didn't know the details of the 2005 attack. Could this all be coincidental? It doesn't really seem that way, but who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CluelessWonder View Post
    Also worth mentioning...

    1. This is a very fast, very fit young lady. It would be fairly difficult for someone to abduct her. It would almost certainly require a weapon or for her to be enclosed in a vehicle or room before realizing that she was in danger.

    2. This girl had her phone with her constantly. Yet she wasn't able to send as much as two words to indicate that there was a problem.
    If Alexis had met someone she trusted, however naively, she might have agreed to go for a drink with him (gender is just my guess). I think it could have been pretty easy for that person to slip Rohypnol, or ecstasy, or something like it, into her glass when she was distracted. It would not have mattered then how athletic or strong Alexis was.

    In an acquaintance rape situation, Alexis could well have been in a state of physical weakness and/or mental confusion in which she was unable to defend herself or to communicate her situation to anyone else. She could have been transported in the passenger seat of her own car, carried or dragged to another location, and been unaware of what was going on.

    When such drugs are mixed with alcohol, the effects are amplified and can lead to serious health problems. Possibly even death.

    http://www.womenshealth.gov/publicat...rape-drugs.cfm

    I'm totally on a speculative rant here. I can see that some guy, who would never see himself as a villain, might have been slipped something into her drink. Unprepared for anything serious to happen, he found himself way out of his depth if Alexis suffered a bad reaction and reacted in a way to protect himself rather than to help her.

    She's just so very young.

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    Hi, New and dipping a toe in... or maybe whole leg :)

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    I checked the court records for SMC and he has lots of arrests for minor offenses in Appomattox County but it does not appear as if he was incarcerated at the time of MH's death. I checked court records for Nelson, Albemarle, Fairfax and Orange Counties in Virginia and found nothing further. His last arrest was for leaving the scene of an accident...not sure if that was a felony or not.
    hi all.. new on this forum... so bear with me.. this is my first post. I have been trying to read the AM board from post one... I've made thru page 13 so far... taking a break and skipped ahead to the last few pages.. thought I'd give a little input as a means of dipping my toes in the water

    SMC is a domestic abuser who killed his wife, and all around absolute jerk of a guy in various other ways... but imho, I think the only possible connection he may have had with AM is if there was an "wrong place/wrong time" encounter along the way after killing his wife... and after Am left gas station... I honestly do not believe there is any personal connection between them or that he is a likely person of interest in MH or other cases out there... again, just my opinion... but I believe he is a spousal abuser turned spousal killer... verses serial

    Also, I believe "Uncle Tony" is a family member who was out looking for Alexis and had not been heard from... I also believe that this is an extremely close family, including the extended family... very tight-knit...

    Other things I picked up from reading through way, way, way back posts...

    The FBI, I understand/believe is not allowing the family to speak hardly at all, and what little they are allowed to say is coached and only through the aunts... for the most part...

    I live around this area.. I can tell you what I know.. but most is what you already have gleaned from various accounts... she was supposed to go to Lynchburg, she left home in Shipman, heading to Lovingston to gas up... that would certainly be the normal course to take... there may have been a side gas station between her house and Lovingston but with cheaper quality gas at a higher price, often dimly lit in the evening if open at all... not a place where a smart girl like her would probably stop... the Liberty gas station however, is in/next to a tiny plaza and is the biggest gas station in all of Nelson County... meaning it maybe has five pumps? AND, it even is located near the one and only stop light in the entire county.. In the Liberty gas station building... the same little square building, is a McDonalds.... and yep, it is the only one in the entire county too... and right across the parking lot is the only chain grocery store in the entire county, a Food Lion... So the Liberty would be a smart option for her to get gas at since it is on 29 and when leaving the gas station a right takes you straight to Lynchburg, and a left takes you straight to C'ville... 30 miles to each, roughly... so... if you want something other then groceries, gas, or a mcChicken... you have to go either to Lynchburg or Charlottesville for any good stores or anything else... Mad Heights does have a Walmart, but its small and a limited selection compared to most. Most people, even teens, around here make drives regularly to either LB or CV to shop, hair, work, etc...so for her to do this "long trip" in either direction should not be considered unusual, its actually pretty typical.

    Also, as a phone/tweet/text/SM hound, AM stopped all communication from her phone shortly after leaving the gas station, as I understand it. This to me, tells me that something happened to her within the vicinity of her getting gas... in Lovingston... very much only IMO, but I do not believe in anyway that she went to meet anyone in LB or CV... My personal opinion... and it is only just that.. is she either unintentionally met someone at, or gave a ride to someone, male or female, at the gas station, and that person either has her or harmed her... I think her online "fieriness" covers up a shy-ier girl internally... I believe a family member said in one interview that she was afraid of her own shadow... this was a little rural country girl in a newly blossoming want-to-be urban/city big girl body... Athlete and athletic yes... when with her team and on the court, yes... but psychologically... in a dangerous situation, alone... I'm not as sure...

    as to her connection to family, turning tricks, pimping, having her head on straight... etc, etc..... her ******* page... read between the posts... when asked her three most important things in her life... family was number one... having her head straight number two, money number 3... she talks a lot of talk about sex yes... mostly... um... oral... can I say that? sorry! but when straight up asked her body count, she replied only 1, and that she wished she never had... this is not a girl going out to meet guys to have sex... she is accepting offers to text, tweet, talk... and it appears to me the stuff you see when someone say they see her, more then likely is a class mate because EVERYONE KNOWS YOU HERE... There is one high school for the entire county, and not that many kids in the school! My step-daughter lives in Portsmouth and I think her graduating class had more students then NCHS does in all four grades, and PCPS has lots of high schools!

    Also, the car thing... about it being left some time tuesday... 11am... that whole thing is bothering me because... I swear I saw a news article yesterday where a guy said he saw the car parked there monday when he was out for a walk... and now I cant find that article. and I remember somewhere else reading that carmike employees never noticed the car and couldnt say when it got there... so how can they now say it got there tuesday at such and such time... this doesnt sit right with me...

    also someone had mentioned that due to her midnight curfew, something happening to her on her way home, around 11:30ish, prime time for partying etc.,.. and I get that line of thinking absolutely.... but again... I have to absolutely stress that this girl did not use her phone past the 7ish pm hour Saturday... she did not use her phone beyond leaving the gas station... I do not believe she she willing went somewhere... anywhere... without it... she was a few minutes from home at that point... if she had lost or broken her phone she would have turned around after getting gas rather then make a drive in either direction on 29, when it would be getting dark without a phone... way to risky with all the deer... she just would not have done it... believe me...

    anyway.... all points to ponder... LoL... hows that for an introduction! sorry, I'm not usually like this... I haven't slept much this week... and I had a lot of thoughts backed up from reading from post # 1 lol ....I either need to make more coffee or go to bed... wow its almost time to get up!


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