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    Another question, sorry for the multiple posts, for those of you who are knowledgeable in the psychological profiling of serials, does RAT strike you as the sort who would take trophies and/or revisit his victims? Because if he is a "revisitor", chances are Alexis and Samantha would be somewhat close? It would be interesting to have LE's GPS tracking info from when they were tailing him in Samantha's case.
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    While researching past threads... I came across, once again, this article reporting that LE found "several items of interest" in AM's car...

    I just wanted to remind us that this may be a good source of evidence, as well...

    JMO

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    "Investigators say they found several items of interest inside the [AM's] car Tuesday night. After that preliminary search, officials sealed the car and towed it away so they can conduct a more thorough search."

    BBM

    More at link above...


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    Again, thinking out loud....Virginia Beach is a distance, but RAT has some history with the area and possible family ties there.

    As I mentioned there have been a BOATLOAD of recent attempted abductions there (I learned this in another case)...I also learned here, though, that VB is a very high crime, dangerous area in general.

    VB is on my radar today. JMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    Here's another thing I'm interested in: Past serial killers, and the distance from their homes to their external dumping ground, (if they had one and didn't toss their victims in various locations or use their own homes).

    Maybe some of you out there knowledgeable in serial killers can contribute something here (again, much research required here on my part).

    I know some serials used their own basements, yards, etc., but any other cases where an external property was used? If so, what types of locations were these, and how far from their residence / work? (I believe someone mentioned cemeteries upstream). TIA
    I don't know if mileage is available for all. Most kill and dump within a few miles, but there are the travelers that dump via convenience. The thing that sticks out most is it is usually an area familiar to the killer. They have seen it, been there before. It is impossible to know for the travelers where those places may be. In this situation, you may be on to something, but I *think* and could be very, very wrong, that LE starts with a 10 mile circular radius of the perp's home and job, then works outward from there with whatever they find out about the perp and places visited.

    Someone will correct me and provide a study if they have it. I merely have years of reading about them, but a lot of that reading is junk, not actual facts, just books (true crime doesn't count, it is still fiction), books by the attorney that represented, documentaries, docudramas (more fiction), and interviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    Another question, sorry for the multiple posts, for those of you who are knowledgeable in the psychological profiling of serials, does RAT strike you as the sort who would take trophies and/or revisit his victims? Because if he is a "revisitor", chances are Alexis and Samantha would be somewhat close? It would be interesting to have LE's GPS tracking info from when they were tailing him in Samantha's case.
    I can't remember but:
    Did he destroy their GPS unit when LE came to retrieve it?
    The facts are now buried amongst theory, opinion and rumor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    Again, thinking out loud....Virginia Beach is a distance, but RAT has some history with the area and possible family ties there.

    As I mentioned there have been a BOATLOAD of recent attempted abductions there (I learned this in another case)...I also learned here, though, that VB is a very high crime, dangerous area in general.

    VB is on my radar today. JMO.
    Quoting myself for reference...brainstorming--so, here we go, what about halfway between home and VB. Wonder what that looks like on a map. JMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IHAVENOCLUE View Post
    While researching past threads... I came across, once again, this article reporting that LE found "several items of interest" in AM's car...

    I just wanted to remind us that this may be a good source of evidence, as well...

    JMO

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    "Investigators say they found several items of interest inside the [AM's] car Tuesday night. After that preliminary search, officials sealed the car and towed it away so they can conduct a more thorough search."

    BBM

    More at link above...
    Thank you, I missed that one! Very important. Wonder if a struggle happened in her car first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    Clue, you got me thinking...

    In Kathlynn Sheperds case, she was found by a bridge (might be worth looking at bridges in the areas).

    Also, Klunder worked in the "plant" and brought his victims there....well, RAT has lots of ties to cars with regard to his occupations (repo, car wash, painting, mechanic)...there might be a strong link to garages. Maybe a garage building with a false wall or basement area? (I'm sure LE is on this, every place he's ever worked). I'm guessing this guy might have his own "garage workshop" somewhere??

    If RAT is a methhead, I'm guessing one of his meth buddies knows something.
    We were talking about brdiges on the victims thread the other day. You might want to look at

    Jaisle Elizabeth Thomas
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    Vehicle discovered on the Willey Bridge, Richmond, Va; Keys Missing; All other personal Belongings, wallet, driver's lic, cash, uniform and tennis shoes, paycheck, camera and Bible still in the car, she has never been found

    Jill Edmonds
    Car recovered January 25th, on a bridge over the James River. Single/divorced, no children. Bank teller.
    -No substantial reason to suspect suicide other than the circumstances surrounding her disappearance.
    Remains found in the James River in Charles City County.
    Rules a suicide
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    Command post closed.

    Not looking for a living person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    Here's another thing I'm interested in: Past serial killers, and the distance from their homes to their external dumping ground, (if they had one and didn't toss their victims in various locations or use their own homes).

    Maybe some of you out there knowledgeable in serial killers can contribute something here (again, much research required here on my part).

    I know some serials used their own basements, yards, etc., but any other cases where an external property was used? If so, what types of locations were these, and how far from their residence / work? (I believe someone mentioned cemeteries upstream). TIA

    The green river killer (Gary Ridgeway) and Ted Bundy would leave their victims in various secluded areas. Gary Ridgeway preyed on prostitutes from in town and left their bodies along the green river which is where the name comes from.

    Usually during hunting season bodies are found out in the woods. That's pretty common. The water is another popular spot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    Another question, sorry for the multiple posts, for those of you who are knowledgeable in the psychological profiling of serials, does RAT strike you as the sort who would take trophies and/or revisit his victims? Because if he is a "revisitor", chances are Alexis and Samantha would be somewhat close? It would be interesting to have LE's GPS tracking info from when they were tailing him in Samantha's case.
    Probably keeps small tokens. Doubt he revisits, unless it is in a mud ride with friends! But doubt he goes back on his own for after the fact stuff, especially since he knows he is being watched since SC's investigation.

    ETA: Then again, being under investigation may heighten the thrill of returning unnoticed. Hmmm.........................

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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    Again, thinking out loud....Virginia Beach is a distance, but RAT has some history with the area and possible family ties there.

    As I mentioned there have been a BOATLOAD of recent attempted abductions there (I learned this in another case)...I also learned here, though, that VB is a very high crime, dangerous area in general.

    VB is on my radar today. JMO.
    MPO, VA Beach, Wilminton, NC, Myrtle Beach are all prime targets for sexploitation and human trafficking. These criminals prey on vulnerable teens and these creeps start out acting like generous boyfriends. They take the girls, often with other slightly older girls, to places they want to go, they buy them gifts, clothes, drinks and oftentimes drugs. Then they drop the bomb. They tell the girls they need to go to work for them because they are told they owe the creeps repayment. At first it might just be schmoozin' men in bars (they call it hosting parties), then stripping at private parties, then escorting and finally full-on prostitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    Quoting myself for reference...brainstorming--so, here we go, what about halfway between home and VB. Wonder what that looks like on a map. JMO.
    Okay, again quoting myself for reference, sorry if this is obnoxious, lol.

    Here is a map:
    http://goo.gl/maps/nsVkY

    I see some places that interest me upon a cursory glance. These include:

    Rappahannock River, Holliday State Park, Bear Creek State Park.

    There also appears to be some other park areas up there by the Potomac (Caledon and Westmoreland State Parks)...

    WAIT! There's a place called "Mechanicsville" smack dab in the middle....I know, its a stretch, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    Quoting myself for reference...brainstorming--so, here we go, what about halfway between home and VB. Wonder what that looks like on a map. JMO.
    Louisa and Palmyra...
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    If RAT is responsible for both Samantha Clarke and Alexis Murphy he goes to a lot of trouble to cover up their bodies and not leave them somewhere random where they will be found quickly. That implies a personal relationship or knowing the victim. In other cases where the abductions and murder were random when the predator has no connection to the victim they don't go to as much trouble to hide the body.


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