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    NV - Virginia City, WhtMale body in septic tank, Aug'13 - George Webster

    VIRGINIA CITY, Nev. (AP) -- Authorities in northern Nevada have confirmed that remains pumped out of a septic tank north of Virginia City are human.

    Storey County Sheriff Gerald Antinoro said Wednesday his office is now treating the case as a homicide. He says the person's gender and identity are unknown, and adds that the body may have been in the tank for up to 25 years.
    http://www.8newsnow.com/story/232937...tank-are-human
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    This is very close to where a vehicle belonging to James Ezra Robinson and Nancy Lorraine Robinson was found abandoned.



    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ames_ezra.html
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...son_nancy.html

    It isn't clear where on Hwy 50 the vehicle was found, but depending on the location, it could be as close as 7 miles from Virginia City.

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    This article seems to contradict the one Carl found.

    http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines...ptic-Tank.html

    Carl's link states that the current residents have lived in the home for decades but are not suspects. This one says the residents are not suspects because the body predates their residence in the home.

    Carl's link also states that the bones are estimated as "up to" 25 years old, but this one says the bones are 25 or more years old.

    Hmm, which is it?

    Also curious to me: Bone fragments and hair were found in the same septic tank in 1996, but were believed at the time to have belonged to an animal. However, according to this news piece, those 1996 fragments are consistent with the body. What does that mean? Was DNA compared, or is the hair just the same color? If it's a DNA comparison, why weren't the '96 remains tested back then?

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    Since the age of the remains is unclear, I took a moment to review Nevada MPs on Doe Network. I made a list of MPs who went missing relatively close to the Storey County area, and went missing before 1996, when remains were first found in the tank. Carl suggested the Robinsons earlier today so I won't make a redundant suggestion.
    News articles are also reporting that the remains are likely those of an adult due to size, so I removed children from the list as well, although 2 of these MPs (Butler and Dixon) are very short, so they seem unlikely, but I included them for good measure.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/951dfnv.html (Sandra Kaye Butler)

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2836dfnv.html (Nan Cecile Dixon)

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/243dmnv.html (Leo Mispagel)

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1249dmnv.html (Glenn Carroll)

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3055dfnv.html (Jill Beaty)

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/943dfnv.html (Shantelle Hudson)

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1591dfnv.html (Stefanie Kelly Stroh)

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1393dfnv.html (Mary Elizabeth Carter)

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1363dfnv.html (Victoria Ann Shoupe)

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    Virginia City was a gold rush boomtown in the late 1800's so it is possible that the bones date back to that era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Virginia City was a gold rush boomtown in the late 1800's so it is possible that the bones date back to that era.
    That's true, Virginia City is a very old town. But if this UID was found in a septic tank, how old could he/she be? I don't know anything about septic systems; do they last a long time? When were they invented?

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    Quote Originally Posted by micheleonelonly View Post
    That's true, Virginia City is a very old town. But if this UID was found in a septic tank, how old could he/she be? I don't know anything about septic systems; do they last a long time? When were they invented?
    Septic tanks are just deep holes in the ground. They were what all homes had before sewer lines were installed in cities.

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    Some septic tanks are actual tanks that are buried deep in the ground. My boss had to dig his up and replace it because of problems. I wonder how old the house is. Hat would give some indication how long the septic tank was there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by micheleonelonly View Post
    This article seems to contradict the one Carl found.

    http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines...ptic-Tank.html

    Carl's link states that the current residents have lived in the home for decades but are not suspects. This one says the residents are not suspects because the body predates their residence in the home.

    Carl's link also states that the bones are estimated as "up to" 25 years old, but this one says the bones are 25 or more years old.

    Hmm, which is it?

    Also curious to me: Bone fragments and hair were found in the same septic tank in 1996, but were believed at the time to have belonged to an animal. However, according to this news piece, those 1996 fragments are consistent with the body. What does that mean? Was DNA compared, or is the hair just the same color? If it's a DNA comparison, why weren't the '96 remains tested back then?
    Probably because in 1996, DNA profiling was still quite expensive and often didn't work with degraded samples such as those found in old bones. They probably had the bones examined by a forensic pathologist or anthropologist to decide they weren't human.

    For that matter, DNA testing still doesn't always work in old bones, despite much improved techniques.
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    This one is right up my alley! VC is one of my fave places in the world and I have read a lot of history books about it. BTW, it was actually a booming silver mining town, not gold.

    I can't think of any missing miner stories. But that doesn't mean there weren't any. It was a rough town in it's hey day. And VC has been active since it began. Did y'all know Mark Twain lived there for a time?


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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Septic tanks are just deep holes in the ground. They were what all homes had before sewer lines were installed in cities.
    Here's a pretty good article about septic systems: Septic tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It includes both horizontal and vertical tanks. Note that the opening on top, intended to provide access for pumping and cleaning, is generally large enough to stuff a person through.
    Last edited by KateB; 04-06-2015 at 03:22 PM. Reason: repair url tag.
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    None of the links give the address? If any did, I missed it. I have a map around here somewhere that maps many of the old residences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    None of the links give the address? If any did, I missed it. I have a map around here somewhere that maps many of the old residences.
    It sounds like they're keeping it under wraps to protect the people's privacy.

    Reading between the lines, I thought it sounded kind of like they might have an idea who it might be. Like maybe an old unsolved crime that fit the timeframe or something.
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    According to this article:

    http://virginiacitynews.com/human-re...me-p5480-1.htm

    Back in 1996, when the homeowners found remains the first time, the notified the Storey County Sheriff, who took them to a local doctor. It was the doctor who misidentified them as animal remains.

    The current Storey Cty sheriff has sent the remains to Washoe Cty ME for forensic testing and a possible reconstruction. Sex and race are still unknown.

    Looks like they are investigating thoroughly, so they are probably stumped at the moment.

    I just checked Namus, the case is not listed there, but the folks at Washoe County seem to use it very proactively, hopefully they will list it or suggest the site to the investigator.

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    FWIW...in our area, the septic tank information is on file with our county. Information includes where on the property it is located and sometimes the type, size, etc. and now you have to have it inspected and pumped (within a certain time frame) before you can sell your home. Mine is not buried all that deep at all, I used a short rod to locate it when it was scheduled for inspection and pumping. So, maybe if the address is available, the county records in that area may have information like installation date, etc.
    not much help, I know :/
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