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    West

    When posting about a particular case, PLEASE type the victim's name in the title of your post.



    Use this thread to discuss other potential victims the Western states.

    The dates from the FBI timeline are meant as a general reference since exact locations were not provided for all timeframes.

    WESTERN US
    October 3, 2005 to October 31, 2005: Belize
    December 3, 2005 Gresham, OR

    February 11, 2006: Port Townsend, WA
    May 10, 2006 to May 15, 2006
    June 22, 2006, Ridgefield, OR
    October 21, 2006 to October 23, 2006: Western U.S., Mexico

    April 24, 2007 to May 4, 2007: Western U.S., Mexico
    August 26, 2007 to September 6, 2007: Wyoming
    October 29, 2007 to November 2, 2007
    November 12, 2007 to November 13, 2007
    April 12, 2007 to December 17, 2007

    January 1, 2008 to January 8, 2008
    January 28, 2008 to February 15, 2008
    May 11, 2008 to May 17, 2008
    July 3, 2008 to July 7, 2008: Wyoming
    September 16, 2008 to September 24, 2008
    October 24, 2008 to November 5, 2008
    December 11, 2008 to December 25, 2008: Mexico

    February 23, 2009 to February 27, 2009
    April 1, 2009 to April 14, 2009

    January 11, 2010 to February 25, 2010
    March 1, 2010 to March 10, 2010
    April 24, 2010 to April 30, 2010
    May 19, 2010 to July 18, 2010
    July 9-12, 2010: Sacramento, California and traveled to Auburn, California
    June 15, 2011, Keyes flew from Chicago to San Francisco
    September 2011: Wyoming

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220907"]Timelines *NO DISCUSSION* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


    http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2013...keyes-timeline

    http://www.fbi.gov/anchorage/press-r...g-israel-keyes
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    Lindsey Cutshall and Jason Allen

    Most of the known California locations are in Northern California (Kettleman would be considered in the Central Valley). See the first map below for Kettleman (on Hwy 5) to Santa Rosa.

    In April and May of 2007, the pins put Keyes in specific locations in California, including "Hotel reservation (Best Western) - Kettleman City, California.

    April 27 - 28, 2007," and "Reservation (Safari West wildlife preserve) - Santa Rosa, California. May 3, 2007."
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/13/justic...-serial-killer
    July 9, 2010 to July 12, 2010: Keyes flew from Anchorage to Sacramento, California and traveled to Auburn, California. He rented a vehicle (black Ford Focus) and drove approximately 280 miles during the three days. Law enforcement believes Keyes may have engaged in criminal activity during this travel and is seeking any information about Keyes activities during this trip.

    June 8, 2011: Keyes flew from Anchorage to Chicago on June 2, 2011. He rented a car and drove to Essex, Vermont. On June 8, 2011, Keyes admitted to the abduction and murder of Bill and Lorraine Currier. Keyes disposed of a weapon stolen from the Currier home and the gun he used to shoot Bill Currier in Blake Falls Reservoir. These weapons and a nearby cache were recovered by the FBI. Following the murder, Keyes traveled around the East Coast before driving back to Chicago. On June 15, 2011, Keyes flew from Chicago to San Francisco, only staying one night, returning to Anchorage on June 16, 2011.
    http://www.fbi.gov/anchorage/press-r...r-israel-keyes

    Cushal and Allen worked at Rock-N-Water in El Dorado County, California. (Not all that far from Auburn, California above, 15 miles - see map attached). Not that I think Israel Keyes killed them, but possible - I am wondering if this whole area was familiar to him for some reason.

    Lindsay Cutshall and Jason Allen--The unsolved murders of Cutshall and Allen on a remote Northern California beach in August, 2004 drive both amateur and professional sleuths to distraction. The Christian camp counselors didn't have an enemy in the world, and were in a nominally safe area, just camping for the night. At some point someone shot them as they slept. Aside from the isolated location and proximity to some of Keyes's likely kill zones, an odd bit of evidence mentioned in some reports about the crime stands out: a bottle of Camo Beer was found near the scene. Camo has chiefly been sold in Texas, Illinois, Utah, California and Vermont.
    http://truecrimediary.com/index.cfm?page=cases&id=192
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    • May 10, 2006 to May 15, 2006: Western U.S.
    • October 21, 2006 to October 23, 2006: Western U.S., Mexico
    • April 24, 2007 to May 4, 2007: Western U.S., Mexico
    • August 26, 2007 to September 6, 2007: Western U.S.
    • October 29, 2007 to November 2, 2007: Western U.S.
    • November 12, 2007 to November 13, 2007: Western U.S.
    • April 12, 2007 to December 17, 2007: Midwest and Western U.S.
    • May 1, 2008 to January 8, 2008: Western U.S.
    • January 28, 2008 to February 15, 2008: Southern U.S. and Western U.S.
    • May 11, 2008 to May 17,2008: Western U.S.
    • July 3, 2008 to July 7, 2008: Western U.S.
    • September 16, 2008 to September 24, 2008: Western U.S.
    • October 24, 2008 to November 5, 2008: Southwest U.S., Midwest U.S. and Western U.S.
    • February 23, 2009 to February 27, 2009: Western U.S.
    • April 1, 2009 to April 14, 2009: Eastern U.S., Western U.S.
    • January 11, 2010 to February 25, 2010: Western U.S.
    • March 1, 2010 to March 10, 2010: Western U.S.
    • April 24, 2010 to April 30, 2010: Western U.S.
    • May 19, 2010 to July 18, 2010: Midwest U.S. and Western U.S.
    • September 15, 2011 to September 25, 2011: Western U.S.

    http://www.fbi.gov/anchorage/press-r...g-israel-keyes

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    So, the January-February 2010 location in the "western USA " is still unknown apparently...jmo moo Likewise the March-April 2010 location... Interesting...moo I wish it was known how many family members lived in socal...moo

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    Quote Originally Posted by liz b. View Post
    So, the January-February 2010 location in the "western USA " is still unknown apparently...jmo moo Likewise the March-April 2010 location... Interesting...moo I wish it was known how many family members lived in socal...moo
    Do you know if any lived there? I can't find much but I'm sure others know more than me.


    There was the likable, easygoing Keyes, who became an atheist despite—or perhaps because of—being raised in a Bible-thumping home of 10 kids.

    ....Some trips were made to commit crimes, others for non-lethal pleasures—visiting family members living in the East, Midwest, and South. The builder and handyman helped supplement his jaunts with the proceeds of several U.S. bank robberies along the way, officials say.
    http://www.seattleweekly.com/2013-01...n-plane-sight/

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    Quote Originally Posted by time View Post
    Do you know if any lived there? I can't find much but I'm sure others know more than me.




    http://www.seattleweekly.com/2013-01...n-plane-sight/
    Yes, IK's grandmother lived there.And, he had several other family members there too. I'm not sure if it's LA county,or Orange County. But, it wouldn't really matter ; he would rent vehicles and then drive for days... jmo moo He thus created huge confusion among investigators. moo

    I did read that IK went to his grandmother's birthday party. So, he defiiately was in the area. And, he had said that he had walked across the San Ysidro border, so he was also familiar with the San Diego Borderr area ...jmo moo

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    Al Kite Aurora Colorado March 24,2004

    Al Kite.........Aurora Colorado...........March 24,2004



    http://panachereport.com/channels/mo...acticeKill.htm


    The deception continued. Sobieski learned that the killer used Kite's ATM card shortly after the murder. But when he pulled the surveillance stills, all he saw as a man in a mask. The stills barely showed anything.

    The next trail came from cell records. At the crime scene, cops found a handwritten note which said "Robert" and gave a phone number. It was the killer's phone and it was still being used. Cops tracked the phone's activity all over Denver. But once again, the killer was one step ahead. Apparently after the murder, the killer left the phone in an area where homeless people hung out. He did this on purpose so that a homeless person would use the phone, forcing cops to track the wrong person, yet again


    A friend of mine came up with this story, I sure think it fits the many phases of I. Keyes for sure...NOTE**** at the bottom of the page on this story is 1 photo of the person that did these at an ATM Machine, it has been placed with various articles on his head, but personally I feel the eyes and the nose area fits Keyes for sure...He has a very distinct nose area that would be hard to disguise to me

    I hope I places this in the correct region
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    Quote Originally Posted by digndoodle View Post
    Al Kite.........Aurora Colorado...........March 24,2004



    http://panachereport.com/channels/mo...acticeKill.htm


    The deception continued. Sobieski learned that the killer used Kite's ATM card shortly after the murder. But when he pulled the surveillance stills, all he saw as a man in a mask. The stills barely showed anything.

    The next trail came from cell records. At the crime scene, cops found a handwritten note which said "Robert" and gave a phone number. It was the killer's phone and it was still being used. Cops tracked the phone's activity all over Denver. But once again, the killer was one step ahead. Apparently after the murder, the killer left the phone in an area where homeless people hung out. He did this on purpose so that a homeless person would use the phone, forcing cops to track the wrong person, yet again


    A friend of mine came up with this story, I sure think it fits the many phases of I. Keyes for sure...NOTE**** at the bottom of the page on this story is 1 photo of the person that did these at an ATM Machine, it has been placed with various articles on his head, but personally I feel the eyes and the nose area fits Keyes for sure...He has a very distinct nose area that would be hard to disguise to me

    I hope I places this in the correct region
    WOW, again, digndoodle..

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    Al Kite - Aurora Colorado 2004

    Nice find dig!

    It certainly does sound like IK. A couple other points... it seems they may have DNA? And, the guy was around for weeks.

    Here is a composite sketch of the suspect and a long article.

    http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcase...meowner/510/3/

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    Al Kite - Aurora Colorado 2004

    Quote Originally Posted by time View Post
    Nice find dig!

    It certainly does sound like IK. A couple other points... it seems they may have DNA? And, the guy was around for weeks.

    Here is a composite sketch of the suspect and a long article.

    http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcase...meowner/510/3/
    He cut Kite and tortured him for hours, “This guy was doing it for the thrill.”

    “He just wanted to find people to kill,” Hanna said. “He brought his own little torturing kit.”

    Anyone contact Aurora, CO LE yet?


    He poured bleach down the drains of the shower, apparently in an attempt to destroy any trace of who he was.
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    Sacramento Area

    I guess I noted this in another thread. The miles Keyes put on the rental car is almost exactly the distance from the Sacramento airport to and from Reno, NV.

    "July 9, 2010 to July 12, 2010: Keyes flew from Anchorage to Sacramento, California and traveled to Auburn, California. He rented a vehicle (black Ford Focus) and drove approximately 280 miles during the three days. Law enforcement believes Keyes may have engaged in criminal activity during this travel and is seeking any information about Keyes activities during this trip."

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    Quote Originally Posted by time View Post
    Nice find dig!

    It certainly does sound like IK. A couple other points... it seems they may have DNA? And, the guy was around for weeks.

    Here is a composite sketch of the suspect and a long article.

    http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcase...meowner/510/3/
    I do not think the sketch looks like IK at all, but if you read the above article it says the witnesses said the man had DARK WAVY HAIR, but as we all know this just reeks of Keyes to me.....taking a shower, pouring bleach in the drains and perhaps a meal???........I have long thought Keyes probably had some type of ?????? celebration after his kidnaps and killings but that is all moo and as foxfire stated in the Boca Mall Shootings, not all sketches are good nor or the artists in some sketches, this to me was just a poor drawing but the article posted by me has the only known PHOTO of the POI at the ATM Machine and to me it sure looks like Keyes through the nose area and the eyes
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    Knowing that Kite’s girlfriend was going to be out of town, the suspect knew he would be alone with Kite all weekend, Hanna said. “He knew he had all the time in the world,” she said.

    Kite’s pickup truck was abandoned a few blocks from his house, and his cellphone was later discovered miles from his home. At 11:30 p.m. the same night, someone withdrew thousands of dollars from Kite’s account at an ATM
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    Al Kite - Aurora Colorado 2004



    He's not a dead ringer, but I do see some resemblance to the sketch on the left. Again, it's the pouty mouth. The sketch on the right, not so much, but not totally out of the question, either.

    http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcase...owner/510/two/
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    Quote Originally Posted by bessie View Post


    He's not a dead ringer, but I do see some resemblance to the sketch on the left. Again, it's the pouty mouth. The sketch on the right, not so much, but not totally out of the question, either.

    http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcase...owner/510/two/
    Thank you for the second sketch

    I think the sketches resemble him enough to possibly be him. The eyes, nose, and mouth areas particularly in the first one. Also, I think the nose looks like him in the surveillance video (Colorado).

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    Alan Kite

    Quote Originally Posted by digndoodle View Post
    I do not think the sketch looks like IK at all, but if you read the above article it says the witnesses said the man had DARK WAVY HAIR, but as we all know this just reeks of Keyes to me.....taking a shower, pouring bleach in the drains and perhaps a meal???........I have long thought Keyes probably had some type of ?????? celebration after his kidnaps and killings but that is all moo and as foxfire stated in the Boca Mall Shootings, not all sketches are good nor or the artists in some sketches, this to me was just a poor drawing but the article posted by me has the only known PHOTO of the POI at the ATM Machine and to me it sure looks like Keyes through the nose area and the eyes
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    Knowing that Kite’s girlfriend was going to be out of town, the suspect knew he would be alone with Kite all weekend, Hanna said. “He knew he had all the time in the world,” she said.

    Kite’s pickup truck was abandoned a few blocks from his house, and his cellphone was later discovered miles from his home. At 11:30 p.m. the same night, someone withdrew thousands of dollars from Kite’s account at an ATM

    BBM - I totally agree on this. Plus, just the MO fits him. It seems like a very solid lead unless they can automatically rule him out due to the timeline and/or DNA. Did you send this in as a tip?
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