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    Guess they found some other items with the skull, but won't say what:

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Inve...104964114.html
    'Other items' found where human skull was discovered on Lewis-McChord

    The military plans to send a forensic pathologist out to the scene Friday. Until then, the skull and other items will be preserved and protected where they were discovered, Piek said.

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    Thomas Crane Wales...Seattle Washington....October 11, 2001

    Thomas Crane Wales...Seattle Washington....October 11, 2001


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_C._Wales

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...t=thomas+wales
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucy View Post
    Additional case details, found from internet: He was shot in the side of the neck on a thursday night, was supposed to be going out with his girlfriend but cancelled, staying home to work and was emailing people/reading his emails when he was shot, he was 49 years old, A neighbor, Emily Holt, said she heard the shots on Thursday night and saw a man walking away. "He wasn't running, just walking real fast," Ms. Holt said. She said he got into a car parked about a block away under a tree and a streetlight. Mr. Wales was a member of the fraud unit in the United States attorney's office here, specializing in prosecution of banking and business crime. A spokesman for the office, Lawrence Lincoln, said he had been a prosecutor since 1983.

    Mr. Wales was president of the board of Washington Ceasefire, a gun control group in Seattle that sponsored a failed initiative in 1997 that would have would have required handgun owners to undergo safety training and use trigger locks on their weapons. The National Rifle Association mounted a $2 million campaign against Initiative 676, which had the support of Bill Gates, the chairman of Microsoft, and other prominent residents of the state.

    Federal agencies were helping the Seattle police in the investigation. Mr. Wales's former wife, Elizabeth, a former Seattle School Board member, was in Europe with the couple's adult son and daughter, The Seattle Times reported, quoting. The couple divorced a few years ago but were on friendly terms, neighbors said.
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3396104&postcount=9"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA WA - Thomas Crane Wales, murdered in Seattle, Oct 2001[/ame]
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    WA - skull found at IK's old base

    Just posted this in the Unidentified thread for the skull, but this info might be helpful here, too:

    ...The NVN report at the time the remains were found said the skull was discovered in a fenced area on the military installation; however, it was outside of the gated containment area where identification is required for entry. The report said the area was open to the public, with a permit, when no military training was being conducted. The area was a popular place for recreation purposes such as hiking, horseback riding, fishing and hunting....
    more at: http://www.yelmonline.com/news/local...a4bcf887a.html

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-54zR_WIBM

    The Flying Nun - Gidget (all grown up)

    (WHY can't I get youtube videos to embed?)

    Please, I know this is far fetched but here I go......

    I found the above video because of searching for Gidget from digndoodles post. I thought the Flying Nun was also Gidget, ( technically she IS)....anyhooo, found this at that youtube video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5dn9ac8A_Q

    Pete Duel in Gidget: In God, and Nobody Else, We Trust
    Hannibal Heyes·69 videos

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alias_Smith_and_Jones

    Alias Smith and Jones is an American Western series that originally aired on ABC from 1971 to 1973. It stars Pete Duel as Hannibal Heyes and Ben Murphy as Jedediah "Kid" Curry, a pair of cousin outlaws trying to reform. The governor offers them a conditional amnesty, as he wants to keep the pact under wraps for political reasons. The condition is that they will still be wanted— until the governor can claim they have reformed and warrant clemency.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Duel



    Peter Ellstrom "Pete" Deuel (February 24, 1940 – December 31, 1971), also known as Pete Duel, was an American stage, television and film actor. He is best known for his role as outlaw Hannibal Heyes (alias Joshua Smith) in the television series Alias Smith and Jones.

    Duel died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound in the early morning hours on New Year's Eve, 1971. His death was ruled a suicide.
    This long drivel is to say....could this be one of IKs alias/alter egos? I think they looked similar, and IK could have been watching re-runs of "Alias Smith and Jones" as a kid. I have read that IK would go by the alias Israel Reyes or Izzy Reyes, which is simply closing the K; Heyes seems a likely next choice. And could this be a long, round-about way to Gidget?

    http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/a...O01/708039920/

    She said she dug up evidence of him using aliases Izreal or Isreal Reyes, or shortening his name to Izzy.
    IMVHO, MOO, etc, etc.
    Last edited by Lucky 1; 09-14-2013 at 12:29 AM.

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    Yes Foxfire this movie was in my day...lol.......but when the letter was sent it had a return name of only GIDGET...and the address given was some business in Vegas that had nothing what-so-ever to do with this case

    Just as in Keyes suicide letter, I feel if this is IK, he probably had some deep dark reason he addressed this as "Gidget" this was only written I feel to further confuse FBI and other investigators

    http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2006..._letter041706/

    http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/i...s-suicide-note

    I do not know how to do this correctly, but would love if someone could post a photo of the envelope of the letter to Wales and then put Keyes suicide note beside it to compare penmanship...I tried last evening to bring them both up and the writing has some similarities

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    WA - skull found at IK's old base

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky 1 View Post
    Guess they found some other items with the skull, but won't say what:

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Inve...104964114.html
    'Other items' found where human skull was discovered on Lewis-McChord



    I live not too far from Fort Lewis. Sadly, the base has a bad rep ; there have been numerous arrests for drug use,rapes, and assaults .IDK why,but it has been going on for a long time. I don't know if this skull is connected to IK or not...he would have likely killed the victim around May of 2010 if so....jmo
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    Thomas Crane Wales...Seattle Washington....October 11, 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by digndoodle View Post
    Yes Foxfire this movie was in my day...lol.......but when the letter was sent it had a return name of only GIDGET...and the address given was some business in Vegas that had nothing what-so-ever to do with this case

    Just as in Keyes suicide letter, I feel if this is IK, he probably had some deep dark reason he addressed this as "Gidget" this was only written I feel to further confuse FBI and other investigators

    http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2006..._letter041706/

    http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/i...s-suicide-note

    I do not know how to do this correctly, but would love if someone could post a photo of the envelope of the letter to Wales and then put Keyes suicide note beside it to compare penmanship...I tried last evening to bring them both up and the writing has some similarities


    And please, digndoodle, go back and review my earlier post #35....I edited it ALOT.

    ETA - If you look at the 2nd paragraph, 7th line beginning with "straight", he added the "THROUGH" in print rather than cursive, and if compared to the "THIRD" in the address on the envelope, I see much similarity. IMVHO, MOO, etc.
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    Thomas Crane Wales...Seattle Washington....October 11, 2001

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...?currentPage=6
    An Unsolved Killing
    by Jeffrey Toobin
    (page 6)

    Wales was killed by .380-calibre bullets that investigators quickly determined came from a Makarov semiautomatic handgun. These guns are widely available in the United States. Ballistics experts in the Washington State Crime Lab and at the F.B.I. noticed some unusual markings on the bullets indicating that they had been fired through a replacement gun barrel. “The Makarov uses corrosive gunpowder, and the barrels tend to wear out,” an investigator in the case told me. The F.B.I. located the manufacturer of the replacement barrel and learned that approximately twenty-six hundred of the barrels had been sold. The agency then undertook a search, which is ongoing, to find each barrel. “We feel real confident that this particular barrel was the barrel that created the ballistics that we had,” Robert Geeslin, the agent in charge of the investigation, said.
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    According to this blog:
    http://israelkeyes.blogspot.com/

    In the 4/12/12 interview, IK states that he made his first silencer at 14 for a .38 revolver his grandfather gave him. It didn't work perfectly but it did work. And of course, we know he perfected those skills. If the gun used to shoot Tom Wales had a replacement barrel as per the statement above, that just makes it look more like IK to me.
    JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky 1 View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-54zR_WIBM

    The Flying Nun - Gidget (all grown up)

    (WHY can't I get youtube videos to embed?)

    Please, I know this is far fetched but here I go......

    I found the above video because of searching for Gidget from digndoodles post. I thought the Flying Nun was also Gidget, ( technically she IS)....anyhooo, found this at that youtube video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5dn9ac8A_Q

    Pete Duel in Gidget: In God, and Nobody Else, We Trust
    Hannibal Heyes·69 videos

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alias_Smith_and_Jones



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Duel





    This long drivel is to say....could this be one of IKs alias/alter egos? I think they looked similar, and IK could have been watching re-runs of "Alias Smith and Jones" as a kid. I have read that IK would go by the alias Israel Reyes or Izzy Reyes, which is simply closing the K; Heyes seems a likely next choice. And could this be a long, round-about way to Gidget?

    http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/a...O01/708039920/



    IMVHO, MOO, etc, etc.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQNsZ2GCiGQ&list=PLCEB2D07481C49C6F"]Alias Smith and Jones--Renegade - YouTube[/ame]

    Styx - Renegade Lyrics

    Oh mama, I'm in fear for my life from the long arm of the law
    Lawman has put an end to my running and I'm so far from my home
    Oh mama, I can hear your crying you're so scared and all alone
    Hangman is coming down from the gallows and I don't have very long


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    Last edited by bessie; 09-14-2013 at 09:07 PM. Reason: snipped to comply with 10%copyright rule; link needed for this post


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    Thomas Crane Wales...Seattle Washington....October 11, 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire View Post
    Alias Smith and Jones--Renegade - YouTube

    Styx - Renegade Lyrics

    Oh mama, I'm in fear for my life from the long arm of the law
    Lawman has put an end to my running and I'm so far from my home
    Oh mama, I can hear your crying you're so scared and all alone
    Hangman is coming down from the gallows and I don't have very long

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    WOW Foxfire, just WOW on these lyrics...I am totally speechless right now.....Wondering if Wales could have been his 1st victim after his Military Stay and maybe he felt he would surely be caught since Wales was a Government Worker and as said in the story about him, Wales soon became a public figure in Seattle Washington and Keyes family were living in Maine at this time I believe so Keyes would have no family close at this time either

    One big thing that really got into my mind about all this is they highly thought the Pilot with the last name of Anderson did this and he was in Vegas the night the letter was sent but only on a layover...His lawyer says Anderson did NOT send this letter and so far after years have passed they have not proved he did this.............GF of Keyes is Anderson....she worked in Vegas in real-estate, Keyes was known to go to Vegas several times by the timeline release, makes me wonder if perhaps this Anderson might have ties to the GF??? Father, Brother???.....and if this was a hired hit as some suspect it was...HELLO maybe Anderson hired Keyes for this job???.......I go back to the man seen weeks before Wales was shot walking in that neighborhood and seen dragging a BLACK NYLON type luggage bag behind him....Did LE overlook the tip on this man because some may have known something was UP for Wales only to release this to Wales attorneys in 2004?? long after he was deceased
    This case is puzzling to me but this just sounds so much like something IK would have done and I think the sketch looks like Keyes but with a slight shadow of beard on his face....as I have said I'm not a computer whiz...wonder if curly hair could be added....that to me just brings Keyes likeness out and is distinct for me to compare images and sketches of him
    Thanks for putting this up Foxfire
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    Thomas Crane Wales...Seattle Washington....October 11, 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky 1 View Post
    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...?currentPage=6
    An Unsolved Killing
    by Jeffrey Toobin
    (page 6)
    THANK YOU Lucky 1.......I felt also like since this gun used in Wales murder was known to have a replacement barrel made it sound much more and also sneaky like IK and I think back this would have been when he had just gotten out of the Military, I'm sure with his training in this field he was very UP on all guns, barrels and even ammo. He knew this would make the investigation much harder to try and track down makes of this barrel and etc and that it would throw them off also and also in moo, I feel this had to be a long-thought out, highly studied case and as we know this was what Keyes seemingly done very well

    and THANK YOU again for putting the letter and his note up so plain and GOOD EYE that you caught the "through" that was in print...the T H R is almost an identical match to me in this word he decided to print...R has the same curve as in the letter....H is a direct match to me.....I owe you big time Lucky1.......I sit here and highly tip my hat to you (while bowing also)...lol
    my eyes would have never caught that printed word
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    That is an interesting find Foxfire. Renegade by Styx was not the theme song to Alias Smith and Jones, but that poster made a tribute to the show. They have other Alias Smith and Jones videos posted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renegade_%28Styx_song%29

    "Renegade" is a 1979 hit song recorded by the American rock band Styx. It was on their Pieces of Eight album. It reached #16 on the Billboard Hot 100 in the spring of 1979. The song is a first-person narrative of an outlaw, captured for a bounty, who recognizes that he is about to be executed for his criminal activities. The execution will be by hanging, as the outlaw laments, "Hangman is coming down from the gallows and I don't have very long." Some pressings of the single were made with translucent, red vinyl.

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    Hi, everyone,

    1) I think it's important to distinguish between aliases (intentional misrepresenatations of name) and typos/bureaucratic transcription mistakes.

    For example, my name contains an "n" a "b" and an "f." No matter how carefully I spell or clarify it, I invariably receive bills, checks, and letters in which those are written as "m" "d" and "s."

    If I were to be arrested and people did online sleuthing on me, there would probably be a thread that pointed out how sneaky I was to have about 10 aliases. Whereas all of them are transcription mistakes.

    "Keyes" and "Reyes" are almost certainly in that category. The cited newspaper article is quoting an unnamed facebook administrator who in turn is citing an email from an unnamed source.

    LE would have put out that aliases were used, if any were.

    In fact, it's very interesting that Keyes used his own name, own credit card in that name, during his travels, at least when he was on the grid.

    Finally, "Iz" and "Izzy" are nicknames, not aliases. Like a guy named Robert who people call Bob or Bobby.

    2) Replacing gun barrels is something people who shoot guns do. Barrels are inexpensive and you replace them rather than buy a whole new gun.

    The fact that a gun barrel has been replaced in a gun used to commit a crime is not astonishing and does not mean that Keyes is more likely to be involved.

    3) Keyes stated that he did not shoot people, except Bill Currier. He used guns to terrify people into compliance. In addition, he stated that he loved 22's and that was his gun of choice.

    Now, we can disbelieve him and speculate about gunshot victims who were clearly murdered (whereas the FBI clearly believes we should be looking for missing people whose bodies have never been recovered and who received little press attention).

    But, since all that we know of "his M.O" or pretty much anything he did came from his own mouth, if we decide to disbelieve him about those issues, why believe that he murdered anyone beside the 3 who were confirmed?

    We seem to take him at his word that he prowled parklands and boat ramps, that he killed many people, that he buried weapons and cash ... but then ignore what he said about the bodies not being discovered and there being little press.

    So many of the proposed victims in these threads have been: clearly shot, clearly murdered, or clearly big news. And those have to be excluded.

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