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    The abduction, rape and murder of Samantha Koenig

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    http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/...ecord-special/

    In case you missed our ON THE RECORD special, “Confessions of a Serial Killer,” last night, here’s a glimpse of what you missed.

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    Really worth watching. The FBI woman said at the end that it is not the cold murder cases to worry about (he was a master at getting rid of clues and bodies), but the MISSING persons cases. As in, someone who went for a walk and just never came back. Just thought that was interesting.
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    "The FBI estimates that Keyes has a total of 11 victims. Imo, the total unknown victims will be much higher. If this number were acurate, why would he go dark 30 times in just the last 8 years? IK was active for virtually two decades..
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    Going dark

    Before Koenig, Keyes' strategy involved random slayings by flying to somewhere in the Lower 48 and traveling hundreds of miles by car. He'd stashed cash from bank robberies and weapons in spots around the country for use in future crimes. The FBI said he took more than 30 multi-day trips throughout the nation the past eight years. During the trips, he'd go dark, turning off his cell phone and spending only cash to avoid being tracked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire View Post
    http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/...ecord-special/

    In case you missed our ON THE RECORD special, “Confessions of a Serial Killer,” last night, here’s a glimpse of what you missed.
    Some interesting comments on that link, does anyone know if the full hour version is up anywhere? Was anything new revealed that isn't already on WS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by northxnorthwest View Post
    Some interesting comments on that link, does anyone know if the full hour version is up anywhere? Was anything new revealed that isn't already on WS?
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    In one of the latest shows about this case, which has been turned into a circus imo, shows the video of them walking several hundred feet across a well lit parking lot with a few people milling about after having left her workplace.

    Watching this reminded me of what I told my daughter years ago about abductions in public places.

    I'd watched an old show and had heard of the statistics of abductions that ended in murder. (this is also mentioned in the recent show) The guy suggested one had a better chance coming out alive if you put up a fight and try to run away that this would at least allow for the possibility that the perp would abort and flee. I told her this and of course its easy for me to say it all not having a gun pointed at me.

    It's hard to say what he might have done if she would have put up a fight in that parking lot, I think there's a chance he would have bolted. I don't know if my advice to my daughter was right or not (god forbid) I just feel like if you're gonna make your stand to fight for your life its better to do it in public there and then rather than take the chance of what the abductor has in store.

    I hope this doesn't come off sounding like I'm second guessing Samantha, she is the innocent victim in every sense of the word. But if there's a learning example here then it needs to be noted and this would be a positive.


    Long live the spirit of Samantha Koenig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LR1 View Post
    In one of the latest shows about this case, which has been turned into a circus imo, shows the video of them walking several hundred feet across a well lit parking lot with a few people milling about after having left her workplace.

    Watching this reminded me of what I told my daughter years ago about abductions in public places.

    I'd watched an old show and had heard of the statistics of abductions that ended in murder. (this is also mentioned in the recent show) The guy suggested one had a better chance coming out alive if you put up a fight and try to run away that this would at least allow for the possibility that the perp would abort and flee. I told her this and of course its easy for me to say it all not having a gun pointed at me.

    It's hard to say what he might have done if she would have put up a fight in that parking lot, I think there's a chance he would have bolted. I don't know if my advice to my daughter was right or not (god forbid) I just feel like if you're gonna make your stand to fight for your life its better to do it in public there and then rather than take the chance of what the abductor has in store.

    I hope this doesn't come off sounding like I'm second guessing Samantha, she is the innocent victim in every sense of the word. But if there's a learning example here then it needs to be noted and this would be a positive.


    Long live the spirit of Samantha Koenig.
    Yep, better to say/think "he/she is going to kill me anyway, if they want to do it, they are gonna have to do it right here. I'm not going anywhere" and start screaming and refusing to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LR1 View Post
    In one of the latest shows about this case, which has been turned into a circus imo, shows the video of them walking several hundred feet across a well lit parking lot with a few people milling about after having left her workplace.

    Watching this reminded me of what I told my daughter years ago about abductions in public places.

    I'd watched an old show and had heard of the statistics of abductions that ended in murder. (this is also mentioned in the recent show) The guy suggested one had a better chance coming out alive if you put up a fight and try to run away that this would at least allow for the possibility that the perp would abort and flee. I told her this and of course its easy for me to say it all not having a gun pointed at me.

    It's hard to say what he might have done if she would have put up a fight in that parking lot, I think there's a chance he would have bolted. I don't know if my advice to my daughter was right or not (god forbid) I just feel like if you're gonna make your stand to fight for your life its better to do it in public there and then rather than take the chance of what the abductor has in store.

    I hope this doesn't come off sounding like I'm second guessing Samantha, she is the innocent victim in every sense of the word. But if there's a learning example here then it needs to be noted and this would be a positive.


    Long live the spirit of Samantha Koenig.
    He crawled through the window and had a gun on her, he bound her hands with zip ties while still in the coffee shop, and once out of the shop, she did break away from him and ran towards the busy highway, but he caught up with her again and then put the gun pointed towards her chest
    Keyes was a Marathon Runner, he rode (I guess you call it a mountain bike) and very athletic....he was said to be medium build, but had very muscular arms and etc.....I think Samantha did all she could do, but with your hands bound tightly there is not much else to do....Also in the Curriers case in Vermont, Mrs. Currier also broke loose and tried to make it to the road, but Keyes saw her, ran after her and caught up with her also...I only know for myself if someone bound my hands with zip ties and had a gun pulled on me I would personally have too much fear to put up a fight


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    Thinking out loud, is there a visual of his mileage out there? If we can do a map with points and dates with 360 radius travel potential based on the mileage, maybe something might stick out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    Thinking out loud, is there a visual of his mileage out there? If we can do a map with points and dates with 360 radius travel potential based on the mileage, maybe something might stick out?
    I know that in the maps and photos thread, someone posted a link that shows a map (a couple of photos of it, and a good article as well), in the office of one of the investigators, upon which something like that has been done. Not all the dates are included, I think, but many are and it was very interesting to ponder...

    ETA: Here's the link to that post: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9838066&postcount=8"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Israel Keyes Maps and Photos **NO DISCUSSION**[/ame]
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    Just a thought: IK expressed worry about his daughter reading things about him in the future, and IIRC he used this logic as one sort of justification not to confess the full extent of his crimes. By committing to this lack of confession, and then committing suicide, I feel he may have set the stage for the opposite of his intended effect...Now there is possibly more speculation, more investigation and therefore more content than there originally might have been, and therefore more publicity, as seen by all these different threads trying to figure out what all he could be linked to. jmo

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    Quote Originally Posted by LR1 View Post
    In one of the latest shows about this case, which has been turned into a circus imo, shows the video of them walking several hundred feet across a well lit parking lot with a few people milling about after having left her workplace.

    Watching this reminded me of what I told my daughter years ago about abductions in public places.

    I'd watched an old show and had heard of the statistics of abductions that ended in murder. (this is also mentioned in the recent show) The guy suggested one had a better chance coming out alive if you put up a fight and try to run away that this would at least allow for the possibility that the perp would abort and flee. I told her this and of course its easy for me to say it all not having a gun pointed at me.

    It's hard to say what he might have done if she would have put up a fight in that parking lot, I think there's a chance he would have bolted. I don't know if my advice to my daughter was right or not (god forbid) I just feel like if you're gonna make your stand to fight for your life its better to do it in public there and then rather than take the chance of what the abductor has in store.

    I hope this doesn't come off sounding like I'm second guessing Samantha, she is the innocent victim in every sense of the word. But if there's a learning example here then it needs to be noted and this would be a positive.


    Long live the spirit of Samantha Koenig.
    I've shared the same info with my daughter, LR1. We just talked about it again tonight, as a matter of fact.

    I didn't follow Samantha's case closely as it was happening. Just picked up a little here and there.

    Even later, I had refrained from watching the security video of the abduction. Even just the still shots I had glimpsed from it really spooked me.

    Finally about a week ago, I finally watched it. That was one of the scariest and saddest things I have seen in a while. There she is, just going about the business of wrapping up her night...and then he shows up.

    I'm really glad she tried to get away from him that one time, but it just tugs at my heart to think of that, to think of what she must have been thinking/feeling throughout. Not meaning ANYthing against Samantha -- I totally understand why she did not try again -- but I just so much wish she had tried again and screamed and done whatever. It couldn't have gotten much worse, could it, if she had, then how it ended up anyhow. Poor girl. RIP, your terror vanquished.

    I feel the same turmoil thinking about Mrs. Currier. Dang, she almost got away from him!! She must have had such a flare of hope, such a heart-pounding moment; I'm so sorry he was able to stop her. And I think I have read that, meanwhile, Mr. Currier was starting to break loose from his bonds in the basement.

    Thinking of both of these near-escapes made me think -- in the tips, etc., that the FBI may have gotten in response to their appeal, I wonder if MAYBE there is one (or some) from someone who DID escape IK? Would be very interesting to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backwoods View Post
    I know that in the maps and photos thread, someone posted a link that shows a map (a couple of photos of it, and a good article as well), in the office of one of the investigators, upon which something like that has been done. Not all the dates are included, I think, but many are and it was very interesting to ponder...

    ETA: Here's the link to that post: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Israel Keyes Maps and Photos **NO DISCUSSION**


    Thank you Backwoods.

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