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    Any new news?

    Does anyone know of any new developements in this case? Is it still being investigated, if so, by whom?
    JonBenet is resting in peace, while her murderer is "on the loose." What about DNA found in the panties, any source yet? Any more handwriting samples? Anything? Is this case over? Will Fleet White ever tell what he knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebE
    Does anyone know of any new developements in this case? Is it still being investigated, if so, by whom?
    JonBenet is resting in peace, while her murderer is "on the loose." What about DNA found in the panties, any source yet? Any more handwriting samples? Anything? Is this case over? Will Fleet White ever tell what he knows?

    DebE,

    There are no new developments; just old Lou Smit intruder evidence that's resurrected by the media ever now and then and a new spin put on it.

    District Attorney Mary Keenan is supposed to be investigating the case, but she's doing NOTHING; she has zero dollars in the budget to do any investigating; and she hasn't asked for any money. Does that tell you anything?

    There's nothing new about the DNA nor the handwriting.

    Fleet White remains silent on what he knows, IMO because the court won't let him speak out because of the ages of the perpetrators. IMO Fleet knows who killed JonBenet.

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    hi all
    was just wanting peoples thoughts on what actually happened regarding the supposed "holding of the body in exchange for interviews"
    which may or may not have lead to the ramsey`s avoidance of the police.
    thanks

    lawman

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawman
    hi all
    was just wanting peoples thoughts on what actually happened regarding the supposed "holding of the body in exchange for interviews"
    which may or may not have lead to the ramsey`s avoidance of the police.
    thanks

    lawman

    Hello lawman,

    If the Ramseys would have reasonably cooperated with the investigators beginning on day one IMO there wouldn't have been a dispute about releasing the body. The Ramseys were arrogant about being interviewed right from the get-go, strongly suggesting they were trying to buy time to get their story straight. This raised a red flag so, rightfully or wrongfully, the BPD tried to slow down the Ramseys leaving the state by holding the body. The Ramseys then used the incident to further delay any interviews. The cops were probably right in the first place because, as it turned out, it took four months to get the first formal interviews from the Ramseys -- an absolute disgrace by the parents of a murdered child and, IMO, proof they were covering up something big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawman
    hi all
    was just wanting peoples thoughts on what actually happened regarding the supposed "holding of the body in exchange for interviews"
    which may or may not have lead to the ramsey`s avoidance of the police.
    thanks

    lawman
    I believe the Ramseys were unaware that they were suspects during those first few weeks, it was the "murmurings" , those picked up by friends, who happened to be attorneys ,that caused the push to protect them.
    I don't believe their own attorneys were certain of their innocence, not in the beginning, so they did what they do, protected their clients , possibly guilty ones. Wasn't it Douglas that was hired for this purpose? To give the attorneys a feel for the guilt or innocence of the Ramseys? Again wasn't it he who , with years of experience in interviewing criminals, believed in their innocence ,even before Lou Smit? There were interviews, who better than Douglas to interview John, however, Patsy, she was unable to function let alone give an acceptable interview.

    Holding the body hostage, or the attempt to do so, was despicable. Who could trust them to find a killer when it seemed, so early, they were operating outside of the law. I've heard it said, "The Republic of Boulder" often did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissi
    I believe the Ramseys were unaware that they were suspects during those first few weeks
    If this is the case, the Ramseys are even dumber than I thought. When your child is found dead in your basement, and there is no evidence of a break-in, you are going to be a suspect, whether you're guilty or not.

    As for John Douglas, he is a specialist in examining a crime scene and the victim to make a psychological profile of the criminal. He has researched this by interviewing criminals to see what was going through their minds at the time of the crimes. However, he did not interview John and Patsy to determine if they could have done this. That is not really his line of work. It is true that the profile of the killer he put together does not match John or Patsy. However, he did not have direct access to the crime scene at the time of the accident, so he was not able to offer as accurate of a profile as he usually does. For more on his work, I recommend you check out "Mindhunter".

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    thanks to everyone,

    just one more question on this topic, when did the ramsey`s first hire any lawyers ?

    lawman

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawman
    thanks to everyone,

    just one more question on this topic, when did the ramsey`s first hire any lawyers ?

    lawman

    lawman,

    It was attorney Mike Bynum who stopped the cops from asking questions about two days after the murder. Bynum, acting in behalf of the Ramseys,then hired attorney Brian Morgan on Saturday, December 28, 1996.

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    lawman,

    It was attorney Mike Bynum who stopped the cops from asking questions about two days after the murder. Bynum, acting in behalf of the Ramseys,then hired attorney Brian Morgan on Saturday, December 28, 1996.
    The Ramseys had an attorney on December 26...MIKE BYNUM.

    The Ramseys hired Bryan Morgan and team December 27 because the Haddon Investigators were already interviewing the Whites...
    ...We have said to ourselves, look, there is never going to be a victory in this, there is no victory...John Ramsey: 6/24/98

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    thanks for the info.

    so it would seem the ramsey`s were aware that they would be needing attorneys very early on (whether guilty or innocent).
    unfortunately for us ,the debacle about holding back the body for burial,means we can never know for sure if the ramsey`s would have cooperated.

    lawman


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    Quote Originally Posted by lawman
    unfortunately for us ,the debacle about holding back the body for burial,means we can never know for sure if the ramsey`s would have cooperated.
    I believe we know, lawman. Even if for the sake of argument we take the Rs' at their word on this event, which was more important? Finding their daughter's killer or getting even with the authorities who insulted them?

    Kill my daughter and hurt my feelings, I won't have any trouble prioritizing.

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    thanks Nova

    you may well be correct,however didn`t the ramsey`s start receiving a lot of the crime scene details etc through their lawyers ?
    also they did employ heir own investigators ?
    i am just trying to give the ramsey`s some doubt, about not wanting to cooperate.
    lawman

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawman

    i am just trying to give the ramsey`s some doubt, about not wanting to cooperate.

    lawman,

    There's little doubt about the Ramseys NOT wanting to cooperate. The enhanced 911 call proved the Ramseys were lying and covering up even before the investigation began.

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    IMO their refusal to cooperate is more myth than truth.
    VOR , I HAVE read the books, perhaps if you read Douglas', "The Cases that Haunt Us", you will better understand HIS explanation of how he believes in the Ramsey's innocence and the purpose for which he was hired.

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    thanks

    bluecrab you mention the infamous "enhanced 911 call",with burke in the background.
    do you know where this tape is ?
    also i believe the ramsey`s did in one of their recent interviews, admit that burke was indeed awake at the time of the call.
    with regards to their lying, couldn`t they have been just trying to keep burke out of the mess as much as possible, after all i believe burke was taken over to the white`s at about 6.30am? on the 26th.
    this seems like reasonable behaviour to me.imho

    lawman

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