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    FL - Police Accused of Brutality After Violent Arrest

    http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/F...223357971.html

    In the video it shows Tallahassee Police forcefully slamming West into the trunk of the police cruiser and eventually on the ground. Her attorney, Fred Conrad says his is doing what he needs to make sure justice is served.
    Short article.....

    Offense occurred on 8/10 and this is just coming out. No indication she resisted arrest. She had to have surgery to repair a bone in her face.



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    Grand Jury to Review Excessive Force Claim [WATCH RAW DASHCAM VIDEO]

    http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/223161391.html

    ...........West's attorney said he wants the city to "do the right thing."

    "In the event that the city does not resolve this case or doesn't want to resolve this case and I hope they do," Fred Conrad said, "we are prepared to litigate and to fight."

    Conrad says the city by law now has six months to respond or he will file suit.

    A Leon County grand jury also voted this afternoon to review the arrest at its next meeting on October 14th.

    State Attorney Willie Meggs says the grand jury will hear from witnesses and review the videotape then. "I don't know where it will go," Meggs said. There are a range of possibilities anytime a grand jury meets. he said. "I'm not going to speculate on what 20 people may do," Meggs said.

    Among the options available to the grand jury? It could result in no action, a no true bill, a presentment or an indictment.

    Tallahassee's interim police chief Tom Coe said that is certainly within the state attorney's parameters to take the case to the grand jury, "but based on my review and law enforcement experience," he said "I do not see any criminal actions by the officers involved."

    Earlier in the day, Coe said he is changing the department's policy for arrests that result in injury.

    "Anytime there's a serious injury, and there's a video tape, for example, from the patrol car videos, we'll pull that video and look at that tape too, to make sure the written report corresponds with the video tape," Coe said.

    Coe - who headed up TPD from 1994 to 1997 - took over as interim chief when Dennis Jones abruptly retired last week. That retirement came just days after the videotape of West's DUI arrest went viral.........

    There are several articles on case at this link. So nobody in LE thinks the officers did anything wrong but the officers are on admin leave, the chief suddenly retired, procedures were changed and the grand jury decided to investigate? OK...


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    Watching the snippet of the video, it certainly appears that the police used excessive physical force on this tiny woman. She might have had a few drinks, but I don't think it warrants being slammed against the trunk of a car, and then shoved onto the ground like an animal.

    I would like to see the rest of the video -- if there's more to see the entire context of the situation before making a definitive judgment but at first glance, based on the snippet, the officers were in the wrong and need to be penalized and re-trained for sensitivity and professional handling of citizens.

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    Personally, JMO, a lot of bullies like to be police officers. I've known several that were proud of beating up people. Its a shame because there a lot of good officers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bourne View Post
    Watching the snippet of the video, it certainly appears that the police used excessive physical force on this tiny woman. She might have had a few drinks, but I don't think it warrants being slammed against the trunk of a car, and then shoved onto the ground like an animal.

    I would like to see the rest of the video -- if there's more to see the entire context of the situation before making a definitive judgment but at first glance, based on the snippet, the officers were in the wrong and need to be penalized and re-trained for sensitivity and professional handling of citizens.
    I think those officers need to go to prison for assault. There is no reason to use excessive force and it should be just as much a crime as any other

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reader View Post
    Grand Jury to Review Excessive Force Claim [WATCH RAW DASHCAM VIDEO]

    http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/223161391.html

    ...........West's attorney said he wants the city to "do the right thing."

    "In the event that the city does not resolve this case or doesn't want to resolve this case and I hope they do," Fred Conrad said, "we are prepared to litigate and to fight."

    Conrad says the city by law now has six months to respond or he will file suit.

    A Leon County grand jury also voted this afternoon to review the arrest at its next meeting on October 14th.

    State Attorney Willie Meggs says the grand jury will hear from witnesses and review the videotape then. "I don't know where it will go," Meggs said. There are a range of possibilities anytime a grand jury meets. he said. "I'm not going to speculate on what 20 people may do," Meggs said.

    Among the options available to the grand jury? It could result in no action, a no true bill, a presentment or an indictment.

    Tallahassee's interim police chief Tom Coe said that is certainly within the state attorney's parameters to take the case to the grand jury, "but based on my review and law enforcement experience," he said "I do not see any criminal actions by the officers involved."

    Earlier in the day, Coe said he is changing the department's policy for arrests that result in injury.

    "Anytime there's a serious injury, and there's a video tape, for example, from the patrol car videos, we'll pull that video and look at that tape too, to make sure the written report corresponds with the video tape," Coe said.

    Coe - who headed up TPD from 1994 to 1997 - took over as interim chief when Dennis Jones abruptly retired last week. That retirement came just days after the videotape of West's DUI arrest went viral.........

    There are several articles on case at this link. So nobody in LE thinks the officers did anything wrong but the officers are on admin leave, the chief suddenly retired, procedures were changed and the grand jury decided to investigate? OK...
    How is it possible that Coe can say he saw nothing wrong!? If his "vision" is so bad he needs to be replaced!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bourne View Post
    Watching the snippet of the video, it certainly appears that the police used excessive physical force on this tiny woman. She might have had a few drinks, but I don't think it warrants being slammed against the trunk of a car, and then shoved onto the ground like an animal.

    I would like to see the rest of the video -- if there's more to see the entire context of the situation before making a definitive judgment but at first glance, based on the snippet, the officers were in the wrong and need to be penalized and re-trained for sensitivity and professional handling of citizens.
    http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/223161391.html

    This site has the full video, over 141/2 min. long. Below the news video, Click on 'RAW VIDEO: Dash cam captures arrest 9/10/13.' There is no sound. I don't see anytime that she 'resisted arrest'. While they have her on the ground it also seemed to me they were pulling up her skirt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reader View Post
    http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/223161391.html

    This site has the full video, over 141/2 min. long. Below the news video, Click on 'RAW VIDEO: Dash cam captures arrest 9/10/13.' There is no sound. I don't see anytime that she 'resisted arrest'. While they have her on the ground it also seemed to me they were pulling up her skirt.
    Thanks for pointing out the raw video. Just saw it. Wow. Definitely there was absolutely no reason whatsoever the cops needed to use physical violence on the tiny woman. She was not resisting. And they already arrested, handcuffed her, and put her in the car. What's with suddenly making her come out of the police car? What was that for? It was like the cops were just looking for something to aggress and use brute force against her. She seemed to have perhaps given them a little lip when they pulled her out of the police car. But that was it. What happened to "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"? The cops are clearly in the wrong and should be punished to the max. They're supposed to be UPHOLDING law and order, not behaving like bullies and creating and causing havoc and physical harm upon the citizens. SHAME ON THESE COPS. I notice they're all men too. Big "tough" male cops against a tiny petite little woman. SMH

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    Quote Originally Posted by bourne View Post
    Thanks for pointing out the raw video. Just saw it. Wow. Definitely there was absolutely no reason whatsoever the cops needed to use physical violence on the tiny woman. She was not resisting. And they already arrested, handcuffed her, and put her in the car. What's with suddenly making her come out of the police car? What was that for? It was like the cops were just looking for something to aggress and use brute force against her. She seemed to have perhaps given them a little lip when they pulled her out of the police car. But that was it. What happened to "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"? The cops are clearly in the wrong and should be punished to the max. They're supposed to be UPHOLDING law and order, not behaving like bullies and creating and causing havoc and physical harm upon the citizens. SHAME ON THESE COPS. I notice they're all men too. Big "tough" male cops against a tiny petite little woman. SMH
    YW, bourne. I remember one of these articles said they pulled her out of the car because she slipped out of the cuffs. Now as small as she is I can see that happening without her doing anything. This video convinced me too, there was definitely no need for how they reacted and in the video with sound, her screams are pitiful, she was really being hurt. I hope these 'tough guys' pay with their jobs, at least, if not charges. (Tally is very LE supportive, as I usually am, so we'll see; lot of politics involved here.)


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    pos cops...... sad that violent bullies can become cops/


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    A use of force expert believes that Tallahassee police officers were justified in the way they subdued a woman during a drunk driving arrest last month.

    Zoomed-in, slow motion video reveals West kicking at the officers. The F.P.B.A. says that this level of resistance justified the level of response that the officers took. It's officially known as a level 3, or physical respnose, but the F.P.B.A. said the officers would have been justified in using more.

    You can view the videos at www.fpba.org. The case will be reviewed by a grand jury next month. Meanwhile, the Tallahassee Police Department's Internal Affairs division continues to review the case.

    http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/Po...225576982.html

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    That was excessive.




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    fyi - that fpba link in post #11 doesn't work

    she was driving drunk and kicked at the officers and people want her to be compensated for that?!

    glad it's not my taxdollars paying for that

    she's 44 years old - if she doesn't know not to kick at police officers and twist out of her handcuffs, there's no hope for her IMO

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    LadyL, it's you & me against the world! I am surprised at how many see this differently. The photo of her face is disturbing, but as an intoxicated driver, she may have done a lot more than bruises to anyone who just happened to be in her path that night. Who knows? Being stopped & arrested may have saved the lives of totally innocent people. I really appreciate cops getting impaired drivers off the streets. And if they are not cooperative, take 'em down.

    I was pulled over for speeding. We had an adult to adult conversation.... state patrol captain to speeder. I answered the officer with "Yes Sir", he wrote me a ticket. Even if I had thought I was absolutely in the right, I cannot imagine kicking a lawman & resisting arrest. I would never do that. Sane, sober, reasonable, people in control of themselves would not.

    The Police Benevolent Association is naturally pro- law enforcement, but they would have to truthful about what enhanced video revealed because this incident will eventually play out in the courts. The injuries may have been from when she ran her car into the house or the altercation with nurses at the ER. Time will tell.
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    Im in my 60's and am still scared to death of cops. I am aware that I probably project some attitude they don't like- I have been stopped for routine things such as a tail light issue and nearly every time I get held up while they run warrants on me. I had one follow me home from a traffic stop a few years ago and he sat in front of my home with his lights flashing for 20 minutes until I called 911 and asked them why he was still there- he pulled away immediately. I think he was on some power trip. I agree there are some good cops- I just wish I'd run into one sometime..
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