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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentSleuth View Post
    The NCMEC poster doesn't completely confirm it, but I think the fact that the poster included the younger age range says that it's likely accurate.
    If that's the case then I wonder what exactly caused them to revise it -- all 32 teeth at age 11-14 seems extremely rare.

    "Shaved pubic region" also seems strange, not impossible for a male prostitute to be so young but I wonder if they made an assumption there based on him appearing much older.

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    His Doenet profile was updated on 2/14/16 - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2128umfl.html
    His NCMEC poster - http://www.missingkids.org/poster/NCMU/1224409/1#poster

    He has been added to NamUs in March '15, and updated March'16. Also new recon added - https://identifyus.org/cases/13620


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    Richard William Griener was suggested in 2014 by Silent Sleuth up thread

    Just updating for the comparison with new recon


    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/805dmil.html

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    Here's his NamUs casefile:

    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/13620

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    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/meuse_thomas.html

    meuse_thomas2.jpgrecon.jpg

    I see a lot of similarities, but he is from New York.
    Last edited by tabacue; 05-18-2016 at 02:55 PM.

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    I kind of feel dirty for even wondering about such a thing, but were there nicks/scrapes or anything else to suggest shaving?

    NamUS doesn't say anything about a shaved crotch. Nor does NCMEC.

    Without some kind of proof that crotch-shaving is what really happened, I'm inclined to believe that he could be at the lower end of the age range and just hadn't grown pubes yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabacue View Post
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/meuse_thomas.html



    I see a lot of similarities, but he is from New York.
    I would still turn it in, you never know. I think it's a good find.
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    John Wayne Gacy had land in Florida. I haven't been able to figure out where and when he purchased it. The first time I read about this case, I suspected him, not sure why.
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    Wisdom teeth start developing around 14 years of age. That's about the time I found out I only had one. It didn't erupt until my 20s. The description says he had them, which could mean they were in the development stage, and that he had them. It may not mean they were above the gum line.
    As far as shaving the pubic hair-the victim may not have been the one to do it. It could have been something done to him as part of his brutalization. It's very possible he did have pubic hair even if he were the youngest age in the range. Everyone develops at different rates, and puberty can start as young as 9 years old.
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    My son is 10 and already has wisdom teeth....varies from individual to individual. We went to the dentist last month and you could clearly see them on the x-rays. I agree that they may have meant present as in "there", but not erupted.
    Last edited by tabacue; 05-20-2016 at 11:01 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tabacue View Post
    My son is 10 and already has wisdom teeth....varies from individual to individual. We went to the dentist last month and you could clearly see them on the x-rays. I agree that they may have meant present as in "there", but not erupted.
    Yea, that's what I figured, too, that some wisdom teeth will develop early, and some will develop later.
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    I submitted Thomas Meuse through DOE.

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    IMO, when I read about the shaved region, I immediately thought it was something he was forced to do - maybe he'd been taken when he was younger and was 'bare' then, and his that was his captor's preference.Then he was discarded when he got to old....horrible to think.
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    What about Robert James Brown? I think he kind of looks like the newer recon to me. He would had been 16 and he's blonde, but what if his hair was dyed and thats why he was shaved (if he was)? http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2259dmon.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    Another article about the exhumation, with lots of forensic details:
    http://www.ocalapost.com/body-exhume...ounty-florida/

    The most interesting information was this: he might be younger than they thought. I'm curious about that since he has all 32 teeth.

    Evidence of his wounds was still apparent to the trained eye. Dr. Warren also made the first new discovery: the victim may have been younger than originally thought. It was believed that the victim was in his late teens or early twenties. However, Dr. Warren saw evidence that the victim may have actually been in his early teens, but his observations will be verified during a more thorough examination at a later date.

    The article also indicates that most of the old case files have disappeared, so they're more or less starting from scratch.
    I suppose it'll be a while before we hear any results from this.
    Even after all this work, NamUs states: Status:Complete - Insufficient DNA for profiling
    Does anyone know if this is correct or if it hasn't updated since the body was exhumed?
    Based on the article brought forward, it seemed like they were getting a sample and that it appeared they had sources for it.
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