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    Quote Originally Posted by For The Kids View Post
    I take it you haven't read the Gaspars statements that were made to LE?
    I can't locate the Gaspars. I'd like to read it. Do you have a link for that?


    Nevermind. I found it for you.
    http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KA...E-INCIDENT.htm
    Last edited by Inana; 10-16-2013 at 10:17 PM. Reason: added link.
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    Scotland Yard read all of the statements and they are still searching for live Madeleine
    So should everyone else !
    Whatever happened, happened, what is important now is to find this little girl.
    A very powerful police force is looking for her now, their work should be prised and helped, not jeopardised by some stupid biased assumptions and speculative theories which they passed and investigated long ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haden View Post
    Scotland Yard read all of the statements and they are still searching for live Madeleine
    So should everyone else !
    Whatever happened, happened, what is important now is to find this little girl.
    A very powerful police force is looking for her now, their work should be prised and helped, not jeopardised by some stupid biased assumptions and speculative theories which they passed and investigated long ago.
    I do hope she is found and whomever disappeared her... Pays!


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    Quote Originally Posted by UKgirl View Post
    Church..... maybe
    And sanctioned by the pope, I suppose? Come on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by For The Kids View Post
    The McCanns friends had a car and the McCanns themselves hired one shortly after the "disappearance".
    None of them rented a car during the week vacation in Praia de Luz. Only later. If you are sure they did, please provide a link.
    Last edited by Inana; 10-17-2013 at 12:37 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haden View Post
    hi donjeta,
    I was for 7 days in Paris and 7 days in Sweden, with no local knowledge and no language and no friends no car.. for me it would be impossible even to call a taxi on my own after 6 days, let alone commit a crime and hide it so well..

    Plus how did they know there were no CCTV cameras around?
    Give yourself a little credit, won't you? You speak English, it is quite possible for you to call a taxi in Sweden, and it is not that hard in France either if you can pronounce the place names. And seven days is probably enough time for you to acquire a map. You can look up places in streetview using Google maps never knowing a word of the local language etc..

    And I don't really know why knowledge of the local language or friends would be necessary in order to do something that you don't really want to tell about to anybody anyway. I'm not going to approach any locals and ask them where the best places to hide a body are.

    How did the abductor know there were no CCTV cameras? (Weren't there?) Do you always have to know? I think some people who find themselves with a body in their hands probably would just take their chances because their other option is basically just fessing up and if they don't like the option what's left?
    Last edited by Donjeta; 10-17-2013 at 01:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SapphireSteel View Post
    I'm not the one arguing faulty logic, and that's not what I'm doing.

    I simply cannot see why the Cadaver dog alerted at the sites where DNA just so happened to be found.

    THIS is the impossible aspect to me...the one thing that cannot be explained away by the "dogs r rong dna is rong" chant.
    I don't know if anyone has said that the dogs are wrong. Personally I think the dogs were great within their capacity. They identified areas where DNA was found.

    Quote Originally Posted by SapphireSteel View Post
    No other McCanns decomposed on that holiday that I know of.

    No other decomposing McCanns touched cuddle cat, nor the key fob, nor Kates clothing, nor behind the sofa.

    Eddie did not alert to blood, or bodily fluids. He was a HRD dog, a Human Remains Detector dog. He could care less about bleeding noses and nappies - he was used to find body parts and dead bodies

    He smelt a dead human body, so he alerted. He was not wrong, that has been proven by the non blood DNA located at the alert sites..
    Trainer Martin Grimes said: "Blood could be invisible to the naked eye, but Keela will detect it. It doesn't matter if it's hundreds of years old.
    "Eddie smells for the scent of a decomposing human body. He can detect any part of a human body that is decomposing hair, bones, flesh, anything.
    "The smell of a decomposing body is very difficult to get rid of. It can easily be transferred to clothing and on to a person..." http://www.mccannfiles.com/id167.html
    And the key fob:
    The car key: A low level incomplete DNA profile which matched the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Gerald McCann was obtained from cellular material on the key card (286C/2007-CRL(12)). This sample has not been sent for further testing using LCN DNA profiling tests. http://www.mccannfiles.com/id268.html >>
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    Quote Originally Posted by SapphireSteel View Post
    That DNA is consistent with Madeleine, no matter how many hairs are split.


    DNA alone = ok, maybe an innocent explanation

    Cadaver alert then DNA found at the alert sites afterward only by forensic examination = a dead McCann laid at those sites.
    I believe that on the McCann threads, there is a lack of understanding concerning the difference between the DNA tests used in this case, Low Count Number DNA (LCN DNA), and the DNA tests used by the US and everywhere else, SGM+. The UK and New Zealand (and a few other places) allow that testing but it is considered in the US to be too unreliable. Even if the samples sent to the FSS where prepared meticulously, the odds of getting a good identification were slim. 6% if I recall correctly.
    Last edited by Inana; 10-17-2013 at 01:58 AM. Reason: fix quotes
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  8. #263
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    Just talking to my friend in Germany and she watched the programme, and from what she has said its different to ours in the UK. It actually shows Gerry and Jez on the other side of the road, and Jane Tanner walking on the opposite side on her own....

    How odd.

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