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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda7NJ View Post
    There was zero evidence of a break in. They had a panicked mother claiming "they took her" ... the hotel room was sealed soon enough.
    IMO

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    What hotel room?
    There were in the resort, they rented an apartment, not in a hotel.
    And no, the room was not sealed, GNR officers walked in there for days, nothing was sent to forensics and they allowed resort cleaners to clean the apartment before they took DNA evidence from the room

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    Quote Originally Posted by haden View Post
    What hotel room?
    There were in the resort, they rented an apartment, not in a hotel.
    And no, the room was not sealed, GNR officers walked in there for days, nothing was sent to forensics and they allowed resort cleaners to clean the apartment before they took DNA evidence from the room
    I hate doing this but I'd like a link to your claim if possible. For my own knowledge. TIA
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    Quote Originally Posted by haden View Post
    My god what kind of a mind set one should be in to believe there was a Madeleine lookalike who played Madeleine while McCanns were on holiday and every single of their friends and relatives and anyone seeing Madeleines photos from back home would lie for the parents..

    Oh, give me a break! What kind of medication can make you believe in this!
    This is a crime message board.posters write about all kinds of theories. No need to absorb it all..jmo and,since this is an unsolved case at this moment, all theories are wide open. moo jmo Including the one which has an intruder coming in and taking MM.... just some thoughts,jmo moo

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    Quote Originally Posted by liz b. View Post
    This is a crime message board.posters write about all kinds of theories. No need to absorb it all..jmo and,since this is an unsolved case at this moment, all theories are wide open. moo jmo Including the one which has an intruder coming in and taking MM.... just some thoughts,jmo moo
    I agree. IMO, as outlandish and even ridiculous as some theories may sound, I still like to investigate all of them... you never know what insight may come from them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by haden View Post
    What hotel room?
    There were in the resort, they rented an apartment, not in a hotel.
    And no, the room was not sealed, GNR officers walked in there for days, nothing was sent to forensics and they allowed resort cleaners to clean the apartment before they took DNA evidence from the room
    That is not true. Here, under this link you can see the photos, showing the forensic technicians, working at the apartment 5a, fourth of May 2007.

    http://www.mccannfiles.com/id21.html

    Here: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id155.html you have the statement of the PJ officer, responsible for taking the photos. I'll quote a bit of it.

    After the arrival of the witness and his colleague Vitor Martins the scene was isolated and the inspection began, namely the collection of statements and inspection of the scene, the respective reports that were subsequently attached to the process documents.

    The witness carried out finger print testing on the inside of the bedroom window, where the girl had been sleeping, leaving other examinations for the following day given that on that occasion these tests could not be carried out in the best technical conditions. For this reason, the apartments and the surrounding area were sealed off, watched over by the GNR officers who remained on site.
    Bolded by me. It was sealed and forensically examined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    I hate doing this but I'd like a link to your claim if possible. For my own knowledge. TIA
    here you go..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-bedroom.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystery Girl View Post
    I agree. IMO, as outlandish and even ridiculous as some theories may sound, I still like to investigate all of them... you never know what insight may come from them!
    Agree but who is this friend who so happened to be available with a daughter with the same name to cover up for Gerry. Also children are not stupid. I seriously doubt the fake child would pretend to be Madeleine without a slip up. IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexe View Post
    That is not true. Here, under this link you can see the photos, showing the forensic technicians, working at the apartment 5a, fourth of May 2007.

    http://www.mccannfiles.com/id21.html

    Here: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id155.html you have the statement of the PJ officer, responsible for taking the photos. I'll quote a bit of it.



    Bolded by me. It was sealed and forensically examined.
    5th May is more than 24 hours later.
    Bedsheets were not sent for forensic testing but washed by the cleaners, apartment cleaned by cleaners.
    Officers did not wear protective clothing so could contaminate the crime scene. Which they did, an officer finger print was found on the window, while the Scotland Yard searched the whole world database to find out to whom this mysterious fingerprint belongs. I remember this report, they were saying it belonged to a man from Northen Europe
    Also there was a mention in media about blood stained footprint, later shown to be by an officer. Not sure if the British media made the blood stained footprint up, I personally would not believe in that.
    Even later, 'protecting by GNR officers' meant they could walk in apartment without protective clothing.
    Here one link
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-bedroom.html

    Officers in protective clothing are not from this crime scene and not from May 4. IMO.
    A woman officer taking fingerprints without protective clothing is the only scene from 5A.
    Can you give a proof that the officers in white are from 4th May and from 5A?

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    No, he was not ONLY accused, he was CHARGED and found guiltyStill completely irrelevent to the McCann's guilt or innocence. He is hardly the only person who believes the McCann's know exactly what happened to Madeleine and exactly what happened to her body.

    You can completely discredit him any way you want, it hardly makes them innocent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystery Girl View Post
    Bringing over post #986 by Estelle in the Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 26
    , italics by me (if I did this wrong please let me know!):

    I have some very speculative theories which most people do not want to accept as they have been brainwashed since 3/5/2007 to believe otherwise by the McCanns, the Tapas7 and the media.

    But I have been posting on this case since June 2007 when I was in Granada, Spain and happened to watch the McCanns on SkyNews that night.

    When I had arrived at the airport that day from China (as I was an Australian on a world trip), I noticed a photo of Madeleine at the airport that she was missing and I felt so sorry for her parents.

    But when I saw them on SkyNews, my attitude to them changed as I used to teach body language. My gut feeling was instantly that they were lying.

    When I got back to Australia, I did a google search and joined the Mirror Forum to see if anyone else thought they were guilty as most parents are the first suspects and a few of us thought she was dead and not abducted.

    I have been posting on this case ever since but not here. However, I post on other cases here. The reason is that what I and others think is so controversial that they have been banned. But I have never been banned from any forum and have been a lurker for a few years. This is because the case is solved as far as I am concerned.

    I am not interested in anything that happened on the night of May 3, 2007 except that in my opinion and that of many others, Gerry faked an abduction that night hoping to be seen but not recognised in the dark of the night. IMO Gerry carried a sedated Amelie down those stairs to give his abduction scenario some credence. But later Jane Tanner came up with her version so he went along with that as Martin Smith took some time to go to the PJ with his version of events.

    Because of this early speculation in 2007, some of us speculated on an earlier death scenario of Maddie. We then started examining the statements and the discrepancies, the possibility of forged signatures on the creche records and the mobile phone records once the files were released in 2008.

    This took several years to work out to put the pieces of the jigsaw together.

    I cannot take credit myself for what was found out but the bottom line is that Maddie died earlier that week and a Maddie blonde lookalike substitute also called Madalene (but spelt differently to Madeleine) was already there to take her place at the creche every day of that week. This must be, therefore, a premeditated murder. Gerry took the lookalike to the creche every day with her best friend and forged her father's signature to sign the friend in and signed the lookalike in as his own daughter.

    This person who is an expert with mobile phones has been able to prove this but it took him about two years to do so. He is on twitter.com these days as he has been banned on several forums for his research. However he has given all his information and research to the PJ this year.

    Lets hope this leads us to the truth!
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    VERY intriguing theory! But I have many questions, here are a few:


    - If this theory is true, the Tapas 7 would have to have known, wouldn't they? And they all agreed to go along with it?

    -Who were the parents of the "look-alike" Maddie? Were they in on it?

    - How does one explain the photos of the "real" Madeleine that were taken that week?

    - Why wait until the LAST DAY to carry out the fake abduction? If a fake Maddie were being signed into the creche for only a day or two, I can see maybe the staff not getting to know her well enough to know the difference once photos of the real Maddie were released to the public. But nearly a week? Surely someone would have noticed they weren't the same child?

    -How did the McCanns explain Maddie's absence during the off-creche hours? I guess if the Tapas 7 were involved there would be no need for this explanation. BUT... if the Tapas 7 were involved, why would they need to fake Maddie going to the creche in the first place? If the Tapas 7 were going to cover for them anyways, why not just claim that they decided to keep Maddie with them the whole time, and decided to only put the twins in the creche?

    All my observations and IMO only. I don't see how this theory could possibly be true... is there somewhere I can read more about this? I didn't find anything in the MCCann files.
    Oh, that is so interesting! But then what did they do with the "fake Maddie" after the real Maddie's disappearance?

    It could also be that only one or a few of the Tapas are involved. For example, Dave. I don't think they would take the chance of all 7 being involved, that is way too risky.

    I think at least one of the 7 have to be involved. If it's true that they kept Maddie in a freezer, possibly in an empty apartment somewhere, that would have had to have been arranged beforehand.

    I am thinking that it's Kate, Gerry, and Dave.

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    could also be that only one or a few of the Tapas are involved. For example, Dave. I don't think they would take the chance of all 7 being involved, that is way too risky.

    I think at least one of the 7 have to be involved. If it's true that they kept Maddie in a freezer, possibly in an empty apartment somewhere, that would have had to have been arranged beforehand.

    I am thinking that it's Kate, Gerry, and Dave.

    MOO
    I have always had trouble with the idea of any of the Tapas being involved in the actual disposal of the body. I think they may well have suspicions about what really happened, but to actually be brought into the loop by the McCann's I just can't see it.

    No disrespect meant, I just can't see the McCann's having that much faith in anyone. And why would their friends even be willing to cover?

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    Can anyone tell me the extend to which the McCanns have been investigated?

    I'm talking about things like.....their laptops, their bank accounts, phone records, etc..

    I have not heard of any information relative to the McCanns' personal life/items, so I'm assuming that no one had really the right to go into that and McCanns I'm sure would not willingly offer access.

    I would like to know what was on the computer in the weeks/months leading up to the "abduction." Who did they correspond with? Who did they contact?

    Also the trace of the money from this fund of theirs. Have any LE been able to do a thorough investigation about this? For example, if somone else is involved, could there be any trace of money to that person? Where exactly is that money going?

    There are so many questions.
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    I'm so glad we only have one thread now, all that jumping around is making me dizzy.



    We have ample "evidence" in this case.

    We don't have a body which of course is the ultimate evidence but we do have a British Police dog who has told us she died.

    We also have the "scene". Eddie indicated in apartment 5a, so it follows if he indicated in there, she died in there.

    The "scene" itself does not jibe with the parents story, no matter which way you look at it.

    You can say they were mistaken or they outright lied, either description brings us back to the undeniable fact that the tale they tell of that night cannot have happened the way they described.

    Now we have SY appearing to confirm that. Tanner's ever-improving version is completely discounted, which means she is (as she always was) an unreliable witness.

    We also have SY confirming that the Smith sighting is not only valid, it's accurate.

    The Smiths ID'd Gerry and stand behind that ID to this day. They will testify to their sighting, and further the Gaspars will testify to the hinky sexual stuff they saw.

    Now, as far as IDI is concerned -

    Can someone please outline an actual tangible IDI theory. How did they do it? No matter how hard I try, there is absolutely no way I can fit IDI into the evidence. Couldn't then, still cant.

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    This also I find interesting........ that one of the GNR officers who was among first to come to the crime scene had suddenly 120 000 EUROs paid to his account.. Anyone knows what came out of this?

    Maddie case: GNR officer suspected of receiving 120 thousand euros, 19 June 2009

    Maddie case: GNR officer suspected of receiving 120 thousand euros tvi24

    He was one of the first agents to arrive in Praia da Luz. PJ is already investigating the handover of "live" money

    19-06-2009 20: 33
    Thanks to Astro for translation

    One of the Guarda Nacional Republicana agents who was first to arrive at the resort in Praia da Luz and at the McCann couple's apartment is suspected of having received over 120 thousand euros of "live" money, a short time after Maddie's disappearance. This GNR officer is essential to the entire investigation, given the fact that he was among the first to arrive at the location where the little girl disappeared, and also one of the first people to get into contact with the parents.

    TVI has established that the case of the sudden 120 thousand euros in the GNR officer's hands is being investigated by the Polícia Judiciária (PJ).

    On the night that Maddie McCann disappeared, the first authorities to arrive on location were the GNR officers. It was their task to search the apartment, to perform the initial searches, to speak with the McCann couple, and to direct the searches on the beach and in the village, namely the open areas where sewer and piping works were under way, only tens of metres away from the resort that the British family had booked for their holidays.

    http://www.mccannfiles.com/id256.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by haden View Post
    5th May is more than 24 hours later.
    The pictures were made FOURTH of May. Not fifth.

    Bedsheets were not sent for forensic testing but washed by the cleaners, apartment cleaned by cleaners.
    Link, please. And not from "Daily Mail" if you can.


    Officers did not wear protective clothing so could contaminate the crime scene.
    On the pictures you can see the technicians in the full protective suits.

    Which they did, an officer finger print was found on the window, while the Scotland Yard searched the whole world database to find out to whom this mysterious fingerprint belongs. [/quote]

    Not on this window. At the patio door in the living room. The officer who left that fingerprint was Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa, the member of the patrol that arrived at the scene first and actually searched the apartment, trying to find Maddie. The patrols, sent from the street rarely have the protective gear with them, you know, even in UK or U.S.

    The fingerprint was identified by the portuguese police, eighteenth of May 2007.

    PJ documentation about it:
    http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm

    Costa's statement:
    http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA-1.htm



    Even later, 'protecting by GNR officers' meant they could walk in apartment without protective clothing.
    Here one link
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-bedroom.html
    I don't find "Daily Mail" as a reliable source, sorry. BTW. they failed to mention that these 50 people trampled through the apartment before the police even got there.



    Officers in protective clothing are not from this crime scene and not from May 4. IMO.
    A woman officer taking fingerprints without protective clothing is the only scene from 5A.
    Can you give a proof that the officers in white are from 4th May and from 5A?
    These photos were described as such by PJ in their files. Are you accusing PJ of forgery?
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