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    An interesting view on a BDI theory

    Found this in the Gawker comments on a post related to the Grand Jury indictment:

    I am in law enforcement and at one training, Interview Tactics, the presenter was a former detective who followed this. His theory was that Jon Ramsey sexually abused the son as a child, but when JonBenet was born and came of his preferred age, he began abusing her instead. His theory was that the boy, angered by the lack of attention and "love" from his father and the fact that the "love" was now being given to JonBenet, killed his sister in her sleep. The parents found her, and knowing what could happen if the truth came out (son arrested and charged with his sister's murder as well as Jon's sexual abuse of both children, leading to his arrest and charge with criminal sexual abuse of a child victim) that it would destroy everything, so they chose to cover it up, in turn, leaving their daughter dead without justice, but their son safe and the husband getting away with his crimes. Obviously a lot of this is theory, but we spent hours going over interviews, the ransom note, as well as the behaviors of the Ramsey's and it all seems to fit.
    Seems plausible to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by horatio View Post
    Found this in the Gawker comments on a post related to the Grand Jury indictment:



    Seems plausible to me.
    son arrested and charged with his sister's murder
    wasn't the case under CO law
    Ramsey case: "Instead of being the DNA of one person, they have instead created a composite of someone who does not exist. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    wasn't the case under CO law
    I believe it's been proven that the R's didn't know juveniles couldn't be charged until later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by horatio View Post
    I believe it's been proven that the R's didn't know juveniles couldn't be charged until later on.

    Maybe...I'd really like to see the other fourteen pages of non-True bills that the Ramseys weren't indicted for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by horatio View Post
    I believe it's been proven that the R's didn't know juveniles couldn't be charged until later on.
    Is there specific source on this?

    To me they panicked...then it was too late, and they went into manage mode.

    I said on another thread, I believe some of their "luck" was just plain 'ol circumstances along with advantageous relationships that allowed them to literally get away with murder. Yes, the Rs life remained overshadowed by this crime, yet Lacy's exoneration offered them respite from the ultimate scrutiny...hopefully until now!

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    Other than actual criminal attorneys, I doubt any parent knows the law in their state regarding juveniles and whether they can be charged. Especially in the panic of the moment.

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    Exclamation

    Thank you Horatio for bringing that quote here. Interesting theory all around. There are so many! This one is plausible for sure. I don't think I've heard this one given before this. If only we could get justice for JonBenet Ramsey.

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    I've thought maybe BR showed signs of being abused, but I don't know about this theory. If JB was asleep, what accounts for the scream? Didn't the neighbor say she was sure it was a child's scream? In this theory, couldn't JB be awake? In the reenactment, wasn't the scream supposed to have come from the basement? Something to do with the acoustics or piping, I think. One thing I lean towards, is BR telling the psychologist that someone took JB quietly and took her down in the basement. This statement kind of blows any rage theory, out of the water, but I do realize that if BR was awake during any screaming, he could have left that part out. So when he said he knew what happened, he may have picked up the story during the quiet aftermath. moo

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    Quote Originally Posted by tezi View Post
    Maybe...I'd really like to see the other fourteen pages of non-True bills that the Ramseys weren't indicted for.

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    Yes, I agree Tezi, and I'd also like to know how many other true bills six months prior and six months past the Ramsey true bills were not acted on. Were any others just dropped without a motion to dismiss and a signature by the DA? How many were indicted? How many ended up as plea bargains?

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    I just had a gruesome thought. What if BR was spot on with his tale of someone taking JB quietly to the basement... and her scream was from seeing someone rear back to hit her with the hammer. Didn't he reenact the blow(s), according to Kolar? If he didn't do this, how could he know? Did he see it or overhear somebody talking about it?


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    If BR killed his sister in the night, wouldn't her body have remained in bed until the parents woke up? And then wouldn't the patterns of lividity have indicated the body was moved? (Oh, how I'd like to see a detailed interview with the coroner!)

    Also--and I realize those who think BRDI discount this--I just can't believe that the Rs, having discovered their son killed his sister, sent him off with "Uncle Fleet" and the nice patrolman. No matter how they threatened him, how could they know a 9-year-old wouldn't say the wrong thing? How could they be sure that FW wouldn't ask questions?

    If I were covering for a 9-year-old, I wouldn't let him out of my sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodie20 View Post
    I just had a gruesome thought. What if BR was spot on with his tale of someone taking JB quietly to the basement... and her scream was from seeing someone rear back to hit her with the hammer. Didn't he reenact the blow(s), according to Kolar? If he didn't do this, how could he know? Did he see it or overhear somebody talking about it?
    That was it for me. How did he know? Sent a chill down my spine. He either witnessed it or did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    If BR killed his sister in the night, wouldn't her body have remained in bed until the parents woke up? And then wouldn't the patterns of lividity have indicated the body was moved? (Oh, how I'd like to see a detailed interview with the coroner!)

    Also--and I realize those who think BRDI discount this--I just can't believe that the Rs, having discovered their son killed his sister, sent him off with "Uncle Fleet" and the nice patrolman. No matter how they threatened him, how could they know a 9-year-old wouldn't say the wrong thing? How could they be sure that FW wouldn't ask questions?

    If I were covering for a 9-year-old, I wouldn't let him out of my sight.
    No patrolman accompanied FW as he drove BR to his house. Removing him from the house was one sure way to be sure no police could question or observe him. The parents also wanted to be sure he wasn't there to see his dead sister's corpse in the event she was "found". JB looked quite a bit different 12 hours after her death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    If BR killed his sister in the night, wouldn't her body have remained in bed until the parents woke up? And then wouldn't the patterns of lividity have indicated the body was moved? (Oh, how I'd like to see a detailed interview with the coroner!)

    Also--and I realize those who think BRDI discount this--I just can't believe that the Rs, having discovered their son killed his sister, sent him off with "Uncle Fleet" and the nice patrolman. No matter how they threatened him, how could they know a 9-year-old wouldn't say the wrong thing? How could they be sure that FW wouldn't ask questions?

    If I were covering for a 9-year-old, I wouldn't let him out of my sight.
    Good point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    If BR killed his sister in the night, wouldn't her body have remained in bed until the parents woke up? And then wouldn't the patterns of lividity have indicated the body was moved? (Oh, how I'd like to see a detailed interview with the coroner!)

    Also--and I realize those who think BRDI discount this--I just can't believe that the Rs, having discovered their son killed his sister, sent him off with "Uncle Fleet" and the nice patrolman. No matter how they threatened him, how could they know a 9-year-old wouldn't say the wrong thing? How could they be sure that FW wouldn't ask questions?

    If I were covering for a 9-year-old, I wouldn't let him out of my sight.
    IMO etc!

    They couldn't know and would be insane to risk it. No matter what he promised there would always be the chance he would crack and confess. And in any case, if the parents knew Burke did it there would be no need to cover anything up. He was a child, he could have chased her down the street with a chainsaw and the media wouldn't have even printed his name -- let alone faced a charge.

    In my opinion, if the Ramseys knew BDI, they would have phoned their attorney then followed his or her advice.

    As for Burke being asleep or awake, he might very well have insisted on his own that he slept through EVERYTHING. If I heard mom and dad murdering my sister I would probably claim the same.
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