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    Quote Originally Posted by gord View Post
    Maybe they should. But the PJ dont as much as we think sit glued to the forums and their job is not to help people like us. They are there to try and solve the case and can't second guess what the papers will do on a daily basis.

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    I think the papers have no clue about the police actions right now.
    They get a little info about 'something going on' and they send a investigative journalist in, they pay the source but they are not in a position to know how reliable is the source.

    We have seen this when the files came out.. how many false details were published, yes, the papers knew 'something' but they also made up the 90% of their stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haden View Post
    The case is under secrecy law, they know what is happening but cannot comment.

    How would they know? Weren't they briefed by the two teams, SY and new PJ teams? So, they do know what is going on.
    Well they did comment. That was my point. Say nothing. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haden View Post
    Here the new tabloid article from the Star.
    The tractor man sister claims 'he sold his phone prior to Madeleine's abduction'
    'She once even gave him her phone which was in her name'
    'He constantly sold the phones'
    'everyone makes mistakes once in their life'
    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...ort-that-night
    Good grief. It sounds like the Lisa Irwin case with the stealing and selling of cellphones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    The story obviously came from somewhere. I would think after all that's been published about this guy a clarification needs to be made. It has nothing to do with satisfying us. It has everything to do with the integrity of the investigation.
    The story started in Portugal and the UK tabs followed

    the journos don't just sit waiting for Clarence Mitchell to phone in tomorrows headline ! - They do go and create the story in some cases.With a daily newspaper they have to get a headline and picture that will sell newspapers -

    Who knows where this guy came from - it looks like a leak somewhere from Portugal and then the Portuguese Press got hold and ran with it - did their own digging

    That is the price we pay for a free press - they do sometimes hit jackpot though so maybe I am being a tad unfair to the tabs - they do sometimes break big stories

    As far as the McCann's saying it is speculation that is as good as no comment

    as until we get an arrest or a LE release or public comment then everything is just that speculation pure and simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by gord View Post
    The story started in Portugal and the UK tabs followed

    the journos don't just sit waiting for Clarence Mitchell to phone in tomorrows headline ! - They do go and create the story in some cases.With a daily newspaper they have to get a headline and picture that will sell newspapers -

    Who knows where this guy came from - it looks like a leak somewhere from Portugal and then the Portuguese Press got hold and ran with it - did their own digging

    That is the price we pay for a free press - they do sometimes hit jackpot though so maybe I am being a tad unfair to the tabs - they do sometimes break big stories

    As far as the McCann's saying it is speculation that is as good as no comment

    as until we get an arrest or a LE release or public comment then everything is just that speculation pure and simple
    I didn't mention Clarence Mitchell in any of my posts except the pure speculation comment made on behalf of the McCanns which in my opinion was unnecessary if as Haden said about secrecy laws. If it's speculation so be it. This would only fuel the fire for tabloids as it can be interpreted as "perhaps there is some truth" or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    I didn't mention Clarence Mitchell in any of my posts except the pure speculation comment made on behalf of the McCanns which in my opinion was unnecessary if as Haden said about secrecy laws. If it's speculation so be it. This would only fuel the fire for tabloids as it can be interpreted as "perhaps there is some truth" or not.
    didn't mean to say you had mentioning CM - was just answering a few posts and general thread of convo re tabloids

    Any decent PR will tell you that the best way to deal with Tabloid exclusives is just ignore it / no comment - If you do try and engage with them it will only end in tears

    It is one of the reasons people like the Royal Family very rarely comment in anything that appears in the tabloids - even if it is true/not true/ made up or whatever

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    Quote Originally Posted by jigzy View Post
    Do you have a link for the tractor man pic please. I looked in the Mirror site and could only see a pic of a friend of Euclides Monteiro's wife.
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...ctured-2674021
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    Quote Originally Posted by gord View Post
    didn't mean to say you had mentioning CM - was just answering a few posts and general thread of convo re tabloids

    Any decent PR will tell you that the best way to deal with Tabloid exclusives is just ignore it / no comment - If you do try and engage with them it will only end in tears

    It is one of the reasons people like the Royal Family very rarely comment in anything that appears in the tabloids - even if it is true/not true/ made up or whatever
    Exactly. But the McCanns thought it necessary to comment for some reason which in my opinion feeds the tabloids and they run with it. As an example I can say there must be some truth to it if they acknowledged the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Exactly. But the McCanns thought it necessary to comment for some reason which in my opinion feeds the tabloids and they run with it. As an example I can say there must be some truth to it if they acknowledged the story.

    Its hardly a comment !! There is reading between the lines etc but to say the story is pure speculation is pretty clear and I cant see how this can indicate that the story is then has some truth ??

    the way I read it is that they wont comment on this as it is pure speculation .

    but I suppose you see what you see

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Good grief. It sounds like the Lisa Irwin case with the stealing and selling of cellphones.
    I must admit my family are always swapping and changes their phones it does my head in.

    My son in law has had about 4 in so many months.

    IT IS like an obsession to keep up with the latest gadgets lol.

    So i dont find this unusual.

    Yes I read that about the LI case that was as odd a case as this one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by goldengirl57 View Post
    I must admit my family are always swapping and changes their phones it does my head in.

    My son in law has had about 4 in so many months.

    IT IS like an obsession to keep up with the latest gadgets lol.

    So i dont find this unusual.

    Yes I read that about the LI case that was as odd a case as this one.
    I purchased an iPhone from a friend but had to change number. In other words I couldn't keep his number so how does one track phone records or pings if the number is not the same?

    If tractor man gave his phone to someone else one would assume he changed the number or notified the cell service provider? Anyway that's how it works here
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    I purchased an iPhone from a friend but had to change number. In other words I couldn't keep his number so how does one track phone records or pings if the number is not the same?

    If tractor man gave his phone to someone else one would assume he changed the number or notified the cell service provider? Anyway that's how it works here
    Yes good point. They sell them locked to certain mobile providers, and they use their own chip.

    I have bought a couple off EBAY from people and just used my old chip as i am on a monthly contract.

    I have to buy the same provider though...orange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gord View Post
    Its hardly a comment !! There is reading between the lines etc but to say the story is pure speculation is pretty clear and I cant see how this can indicate that the story is then has some truth ??

    the way I read it is that they wont comment on this as it is pure speculation .

    but I suppose you see what you see
    If the McCanns are privy to the investigation both by SY and PJ then they should not make any comments. That was my point. People will interpret their comments even meaningless comments such as was the case here.

    Pure speculation can have different meanings.


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    a. Contemplation or consideration of a subject; meditation.
    b. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.
    c. Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldengirl57 View Post
    Yes good point. They sell them locked to certain mobile providers, and they use their own chip.

    I have bought a couple off EBAY from people and just used my old chip as i am on a monthly contract.

    I have to buy the same provider though...orange.
    Phones leave unique digital traces even with different sims - Its how providers can disable stolen phones through the IMIE no - your number is dictated by the sim card not the phone -

    Its why criminals use throw a way phones - use once and chuck - with detailed knowledge you can change the IMEI no with special equipment - but not straightforward

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    Quote Originally Posted by gord View Post
    Phones leave unique digital traces even with different sims - Its how providers can disable stolen phones through the IMIE no - your number is dictated by the sim card not the phone -

    Its why criminals use throw a way phones - use once and chuck - with detailed knowledge you can change the IMEI no with special equipment - but not straightforward
    It begs the question why the alleged suspect would have gone to commit a premeditated and planned crime, with his own cell phone in his pocket.

    Ok, someone might try t explain it with a drug haze, but someone high on heroin would leave a lot of evidence behind. I cannot imagine a dude, drugged up to his eyeballs so much, that he forgets to leave his phone home, but he's able to kidnap a kid from an apartment, leaving virtually no trace.
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