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View Poll Results: BDI/was it premeditated or just an accident?

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  1. #1
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    BDI,premeditated or not?

    arguments here
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    The rice is already cooked...

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    I have to vote for accident...I think even if it was PR or JR was responsible for the head blow it wasn't intentional.

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    if you pick up a hammer or grab a flashlight or a bat and hit someone on the head that hard...I really can't view it as an accident...
    The rice is already cooked...

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    if you pick up a hammer or grab a flashlight or a bat and hit someone on the head that hard...I really can't view it as an accident...
    Ha...yes true. There is always part of me in these cases where I just can't wrap my head around premeditation/deliberate intent.

    Of course that doesn't mean it isn't true.

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    I don't know how to vote in this poll.
    What makes sense to me is to attribute all of the violence to BR. In the event that BDI, I suspect that BR is responsible for the head bash and then the strangulation. (I never bought the - she was bashed and then a parent "finished her off" scenario.
    So - since there were two actions, then I guess that pretty well meets the threshold for premeditation.
    However we have know way to no if BR harbored any fantasies of killing JBR.
    All simply my opinion based on the available evidence.
    Last edited by wengr; 11-07-2013 at 09:39 PM.

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    IMO what was premeditated was the sexual assault. Christmas night seemed just right, except for some reason, JonBenet did not.


    Someone lost the plot and violently assaulted JonBenet, the rest is just staging, possibly multiple attempts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wengr View Post
    I don't know how to vote in this poll.
    What makes sense to me is to attribute all of the violence to BR. In the event that BDI, I suspect that BR is responsible for the head bash and then the strangulation. (I never bought the - she was bashed and then a parent "finished her off" scenario.
    So - since there were two actions, then I guess that pretty well meets the threshold for premeditation.
    However we have know way to no if BR harbored any fantasies of killing JBR.
    All simply my opinion based on the available evidence.
    BBM I can absolutely buy the scenario that PR and JR "finished her off ".
    Fibers from PR's jacket were found entwined in the ligature. Fibers from JR's new Israeli wool sweater were found in the crotch of the new size 12 panties JBR had been redressed in.
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    I don't know, but His theory as an almost ten year old seemed to be that someone premeditated by getting a hammer or taking out a knife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki View Post
    I don't know, but His theory as an almost ten year old seemed to be that someone premeditated by getting a hammer or taking out a knife.
    from the way he told this story, it was more like he witnessed it or overheard a conversation. From what I read, it didn't read like he was 'confessing'...although parts may have been redacted that I don't know about. About that hammer...what a whopper of a story! And once I read it, I couldn't let it go. IDK what kind of hammer and I don' t know how the skull fracture lined up with any hammer, but IMO, forget about the flashlight, golf club or baseball bat, because BR said a hammer was used. And since he was in that house when the murder happened, I guess he could know. And in my wildest imaginings, I never would have thought someone took a hammer to this little girl's head. There's no way this was an accident, IMO. Someone had to deliberately rear back and swing as hard as he/she could, to leave that huge hole and fracture. I don't think JB was hit because she screamed, I think she screamed because she saw that she was fixing to get hit. What a horror. It's times like this that make me doubt the PR theory. I don't care what the evidence says or how enraged she was, a mother who loved her daughter, (and I believe she did), couldn't deliberately bash her little daughter in the head. Using a flashlight or something else handy is one thing, a rash almost spontaneous action, but a hammer is so deliberate. I just don't know what to think about this. moo

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodie20 View Post
    from the way he told this story, it was more like he witnessed it or overheard a conversation. From what I read, it didn't read like he was 'confessing'...although parts may have been redacted that I don't know about. About that hammer...what a whopper of a story! And once I read it, I couldn't let it go. IDK what kind of hammer and I don' t know how the skull fracture lined up with any hammer, but IMO, forget about the flashlight, golf club or baseball bat, because BR said a hammer was used. And since he was in that house when the murder happened, I guess he could know. And in my wildest imaginings, I never would have thought someone took a hammer to this little girl's head. There's no way this was an accident, IMO. Someone had to deliberately rear back and swing as hard as he/she could, to leave that huge hole and fracture. I don't think JB was hit because she screamed, I think she screamed because she saw that she was fixing to get hit. What a horror. It's times like this that make me doubt the PR theory. I don't care what the evidence says or how enraged she was, a mother who loved her daughter, (and I believe she did), couldn't deliberately bash her little daughter in the head. Using a flashlight or something else handy is one thing, a rash almost spontaneous action, but a hammer is so deliberate. I just don't know what to think about this. moo
    It makes more sense to me that JB screamed because someone had somehow reared back to strike, and she was in the line of a strike. For many reasons I’ve never been able to see a smoking gun for the head strike; it could have been any of them. In a tussle between 2 adults, it could have happened with one or two adults enraged. It could have happened if JB had threatened to tell on her sibling abuser. And lastly, it could have happened with pre-meditation that night, if someone’s klonipin, wine, (chemo brain?) or whatever addled them so much that they thought killing JB was the only way to save her from further abuse. Or maybe they even blamed her. Throw in jealousy from either BR or PR and we end up with a virtual “Rube Goldberg” like crime design.

    As far as the hammer comment, it struck me (no pun intended) like what a kid would come up with. One uses a hammer to pound nails. If one wants to hit someone on the head, grab a hammer and pound ‘em with it. Kolar seems to think that PR and JR were telling the truth, that they did not discuss the way JB was killed with BR. However, BR had friends who could have said something to the effect, “I heard someone hit JB hard on the head, like with a hammer or something.” Some kids are not exact in their details. All moo.


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    I'm not sure that a 9 almost 10 year old can form the intention of doing great harm. Hitting another person because he is angry is acting out. The intent would be leave me alone or my stuff alone. I don't see that he could "kill".

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoomama View Post
    I'm not sure that a 9 almost 10 year old can form the intention of doing great harm. Hitting another person because he is angry is acting out. The intent would be leave me alone or my stuff alone. I don't see that he could "kill".
    He was almost 10. Just weeks away.

    Remember that 8 year old in AZ that murdered his father and the roommate? He even lured the roommate. That boy was bone chillingly cool as a cucumber while he was spinning his tale too.

    I believe a 8-9-10 year old can intend to kill and can intend to rape. It's happened!

    Burke strikes me as a child with pretty severe attachment issues. He seemed indifferent, cold and very detached from his sister. Like he never missed her, not even for even a second.


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    This is the one case I've followed on WS over the years but never shared my thoughts on. I never found it difficult to draw the conclusion I drew, but I absolutely found it difficult to share those thoughts on a public forum. I'm sure most of you can understand why.

    Having said that, I don't know the answer to the poll question, so I didn't vote. I suspect the answer is more complicated than the poll choices.

    And I think that's all I want to say about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    BBM I can absolutely buy the scenario that PR and JR "finished her off ".
    Fibers from PR's jacket were found entwined in the ligature. Fibers from JR's new Israeli wool sweater were found in the crotch of the new size 12 panties JBR had been redressed in.
    How can we assume that the person who placed the size 12's on her was the killer? I would say that person is a stager.
    And, since we know that we have one or more people in the house who were bent on misleading police and thwarting the investigation, how can we assume that the paint brush handle was part of the process that killed JBR?
    I maintain that even if the cord was actually used to end JBR's life, we cannot know if it was manipulated, (like with the addition of the handle), in order to mask the nature of the event.

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    I would think that if she was hit with a hammer there would have been a break in the skin on the scalp. Perhaps her head was slammed against something.
    In the testimony, didn't someone say JAR was into rope climbing? BR would surely know something about knots, as he was in scouts, and sailed with his Dad. If he took karate, or watched wrestling he may have learned the result of what an arm around the neck, and pressure there that could enable someone to pass out. Something happened in that basement hallway, which caused JB to urinate, and because there was a frontal urine stain on the long johns, she had to be on her stomach, and could easily be attacked from behind.
    I think the garrote could have been made by BR, but I don't know when it was made, so I'm not sure it was a result of premeditation. Maybe it was made for the "puppy game".

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