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    Good point above, Amber. The more I am learning about this case, the more I see that there is actually a lot of evidence, and probably more evidence than there is in a lot of cases.
    Now my philosophy is that it's never okay to kill someone. -- Convicted Murderer Jodi Arias

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    Filomena testified to the glass being on top of different items of clothes and equipment before she picked up her computer. I will take her word for it.

    Glass in Meredith's room is irrelevant if someone is staging the broken window and then is moving about the cottage staging other areas.

    IMO ILE documented and investigated in good order. Plenty good for most every other murder case.

    Also IMO, she would be under the jail by now... if this happened in the US.

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    Love your Arias line at the bottom of your post aa.

    Like she just figured it out. Haha. Nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aa9511 View Post
    Good point above, Amber. The more I am learning about this case, the more I see that there is actually a lot of evidence, and probably more evidence than there is in a lot of cases.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/dateline/49768727

    Such as in the case of Sheila Davalloo, although she had murdered Anna Lisa Raymundo by bludgeoning and stabbing her nine times in the victims own home there were no fingerprints, no DNA , nothing of the killer found at the bloodied crime scene, except for a tiny drop of her blood mixed with the victim's on a sink handle in Anna Lisa's bathroom.

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    My responses are in red to dgfred's post.



    - The climber did not go thru the window as the intruder would have.

    If the bars had not been there IMO he would still have been able to hoist himself through if he had utilized the top bar on the lower window to climb up as the lawyer did. IMO the newly added burglar bars acted as a barrier and blocked the momentum to hoist himself up there.

    link

    Rudy was a former semi pro basketball player. He was athletic, lanky, agile, and thin. IMO The climb would not have been difficult for someone of Rudy's athleticism and body frame. Moreover, there was a similar MO in that he had gained access into a law office building by using a rock to break a window and he had brandished a knife at another robbery weeks prior. Not to mention a huge kitchen knife being found in his backpack when in the process of a robbery at a nursery school.

    http://masseireport.wordpress.com/co...hermann-guede/

    - There was NO glass on the ground under the window.

    Did the police use screens to filter and capture small shards of glass that may have been kicked under leaves or not visible due to the transparency of the glass pieces?

    - There was glass lined on the windowsill... like where the shutters would be.

    - There was glass on top of the items on the floor.

    If his foot caught on the television cable under the window and jostled the clothes cabinet forward then backward depositing clothes on the floor, then glass would have fallen on top of the items as the intruder climbed through the window.

    - There were no pieces of grass/mud/sticks/etc on the floor of the room.
    dirt on clothes


    I see dirt/mud and pieces of white rock on the clothes.

    link


    - There were no scuff marks on the wall as nobody climbed/struggle up it.

    There were scuff marks on the cottage wall and the top edge of the sill, coincidentally exactly where the rock climber guy stood. However, there is no way to date those marks.

    scuff marks on cottage wall

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    scuff on window sill top edge

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    - Nothing was taken.
    Chris answered this one…

    - The unlikely use of that window as the entry point in the first place.

    I am not sure why it would be unlikely on a dark night if the intruder wore dark clothes and blended into the dark shadows...A driver on that side of the road would have to turn back to look in that direction as they drove... There is a white metal fence obscuring view. Is it a two way road?
    Photo of house and street

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    streetlights on other side




    - The positions of the shutters the next morning were not as Filomena left them.
    Because the killer moved them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiterum View Post
    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/dateline/49768727

    Such as in the case of Sheila Davalloo, although she had murdered Anna Lisa Raymundo by bludgeoning and stabbing her nine times in the victims own home there were no fingerprints, no DNA , nothing of the killer found at the bloodied crime scene, except for a tiny drop of her blood mixed with the victim's on a sink handle in Anna Lisa's bathroom.
    Interesting info. In addition they had the digitalized 911 call pointing to the defendant.....In another vein, circumstantial evidence (which makes inference necessary) can and does render convictions, in many cases being more powerful than direct evidence.

    In the media, as this recent Washington Post /Europe piece indicates, the DNA and knife-as-murder-weapon are being widely dismissed:

    New DNA evidence at Knox murder trial fails to prove that kitchen knife was murder weapon

    By Associated Press, Published: November 6
    FLORENCE, Italy — U.S. student Amanda Knox’s defense got a boost on Wednesday when a new DNA test on a kitchen knife failed to conclusively prove that it was the murder weapon used to kill her British roommate.

    An expert witness testified that the minuscule DNA trace on the knife handle near the blade showed “considerable affinity” with Knox’s own DNA.

    That confirmed what was already known from two previous trials: that Knox’s DNA was on the knife handle, identified through another trace.

    No DNA belonging to the slain British student, Meredith Kercher, was identified. Previous genetic evidence on the blade linked to Kercher had been contested at earlier stages.

    Outside the court, Knox defense lawyer Carlo Dalla Vedova told The Associated Press that the testimony confirms his contention that the knife was used by Knox solely for preparing food. “The report confirms that this is a kitchen knife. It is not a murder weapon,” Dalla Vedova said.

    Luca Maori, a defense lawyer for Knox’s co-defendant Raffaele Sollecito, said the trace’s very existence also indicated the knife had not been washed. “It is something very important,” he said. “It is absurd to use it for a murder and put it back in the drawer.”

    Prosecutors deferred comment for their summations, due later this month.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...ba8_story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    In Perugia, Knox moved in with two professionals (legal) and an Erasmus student from England. She had just blown off a job in Berlin and toked/slept her way from Germany to Italy. Knox was a language student at the foreigners university. Knox started her class well after Meredith. Everyone at the cottage had goals and dreams that they were living. I doubt any of them expected that Knox would hang her vibrator in the bathroom, fail to flush, repeatedly sing one bar on the guitar, irregularly burst into song in a restaurant, bring strange men home, get stoned as often as she ate pasta, bond with strangers through a mutual vice of getting stoned, and generally disrupt that calm environment that Laura, Filomina and Meredith had before Knox arrived.

    Knox did not fit with Meredith and her friends (all attending the University with Meredith). She did not fit with the law professional's social life of Laura and Filomina. She did not have anything more as

    than a hook-up with the four men living on the main floor of the cottage. Meredith had been dating one of the four. Knox did not fit with La Chic. Knox's job had been given to Meredith, although Meredith had not accepted the offer. On Halloween, Knox contacted Meredith several times. It appears that Knox was hoping to be included, but she was not. The murder occurred the following day.

    That morning, November 1, Knox woke up early and went to the cottage. Sollecito joined her later, around 12:30 (he made pasta). Had Meredith woken up before Sollecito arrived?
    that is incredible background on this case; and so there was a motive; jealousy, she was jealous of Meredith wasn't she. I've always thought she was but didn't know if there was any motivation behind that......I think she is about as guilty as ty come. I always have thought that the Italian courts had it right and so did the media; her behavior and presence were absolutely bizarre. Also they were truly immature. I mean; her actions. I wonder really if she felt inferior to all of them. She most likely did, as an American.
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    Filomina's window should have been well lit by the street lights on the night of the murder.


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    The window is clearly visible from the road, as there is no fence that interferes with visibility.


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    I found more 'scuff marks'
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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    In Perugia, Knox moved in with two professionals (legal) and an Erasmus student from England. She had just blown off a job in Berlin and toked/slept her way from Germany to Italy. Knox was a language student at the foreigners university. Knox started her class well after Meredith. Everyone at the cottage had goals and dreams that they were living. I doubt any of them expected that Knox would hang her vibrator in the bathroom, fail to flush, repeatedly sing one bar on the guitar, irregularly burst into song in a restaurant, bring strange men home, get stoned as often as she ate pasta, bond with strangers through a mutual vice of getting stoned, and generally disrupt that calm environment that Laura, Filomina and Meredith had before Knox arrived.

    Knox did not fit with Meredith and her friends (all attending the University with Meredith). She did not fit with the law professional's social life of Laura and Filomina. She did not have anything more than a hook-up with the four men living on the main floor of the cottage. Meredith had been dating one of the four. Knox did not fit with La Chic. Knox's job had been given to Meredith, although Meredith had not accepted the offer. On Halloween, Knox contacted Meredith several times. It appears that Knox was hoping to be included, but she was not. The murder occurred the following day.
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    as one example of how truth has been incorrectly portrayed/exaggerated/misrepresented:

    Chilling pictures of Meredith murder scene reveal apartment bloodbath horror... The bathroom (is) covered in blood
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...th-horror.html


    One shows the bathroom... it's walls, floor, sink, and toilet smeared with blood
    http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog...-in-knox-case/



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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    The window is clearly visible from the road, as there is no fence that interferes with visibility.

    inaccurate perspective.

    the google earth cam sits a good 4-5 feet above the vehicle... and much higher than anyone seated in a car driving by:

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    Quote Originally Posted by redheadedgal View Post
    inaccurate perspective.

    the google earth cam sits a good 4-5 feet above the vehicle... and much higher than anyone seated in a car driving by:

    So is this perspective through the fencing and into the cottage, from a webcam which is driver-height, the accurate one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redheadedgal View Post
    <modsnip>

    as one example of how truth has been incorrectly portrayed/exaggerated/misrepresented:


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...th-horror.html



    http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog...-in-knox-case/



    Well, they deliberately misled with their headline to sell papers. Obviously the bright pink in the bath looks nothing like blood, and is a luminol type substance. The blood picture is the one to the right, (when you link to the actually article, and see the pics side by side) with the smearing on the floor, in the murder room. The blood at the site of the murder is obviously authentic. No one could mistake that bright pink for blood. It looks like food coloring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMK View Post
    Well, they deliberately misled with their headline to sell papers. Obviously the bright pink in the bath looks nothing like blood, and is a luminol type substance. The blood picture is the one to the right, (when you link to the actually article, and see the pics side by side) with the smearing on the floor, in the murder room. The blood at the site of the murder is obviously authentic. No one could mistake that bright pink for blood. It looks like food coloring.
    It's the Daily Mail. I think we all know what to expect from that source.

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