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    A few questions

    Hello sleuthers!

    I just have a few questions I hoped someone here might be able to answer...

    I seem to remember reading somewhere the McCann's and friends made a timeline of their night on the back of some paper before they called the police, is that true? I can't seem to find where I read it anymore!

    I also wondered about the police questions, when they asked 'Is it true you considered giving Madeleine's custody to a relative in England?', why did they ask that? Did they have any information about this/proof or was this just speculation?

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    I'm not sure if this thread will last, but here's a link regarding your first question:

    http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html

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    Hi !
    This link is also full of useful information. It's the released official Policia Judiciaria files.

    http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm
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    Thanks all! I will have a good look through those links

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    Hope you've got plenty of free time, (we're all on a time-out here due to all our bickering on these threads)

    There's a ton of info in those 2 links.
    Be warned they are addictive ! LOL
    Enjoy !
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    Sorry to hijack the thread but wanted to get Gord's question from another thread answered about whether cadaver dogs will alert on dried blood. The answer is yes. Even old, dried blood that is not visable to the naked eye. They will also alert on areas where the blood has been cleaned up. If anyone else has any questions they can PM me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K9Snoop View Post
    Sorry to hijack the thread but wanted to get Gord's question from another thread answered about whether cadaver dogs will alert on dried blood. The answer is yes. Even old, dried blood that is not visable to the naked eye. They will also alert on areas where the blood has been cleaned up. If anyone else has any questions they can PM me.
    Oh, I have another question if I may ask!

    It is related to search dogs ( tracking dogs). Would they still track a person if the person is lifted from the ground, or they would lose the scent at this point?

    Many thanks!

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    Here's the crux, if you are using non-scent specific tracking dogs (which is almost every LE tracking K9) then probably not. However if you are using scent specific trailing dogs (which follow the odor of a target person and not the ground disturbance of where they walked) then YES.

    It is a practiced routine to have someone abduct a baby or pick up a young child and walk away with them. That person's scent is still being distributed even though they are not touching the ground. The dogs can still follow that odor. It really depends on what type of training the dog has had. Tracking or trailing. And which enviroment the dogs have trained in. If the dog has only ever worked 'clean' trails in a vegetative location (parks, etc) then that dog will probably have issues when you ask them to work a track in an urban location with a majority of it being hard surface (concrete, asphalt, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by K9Snoop View Post
    Here's the crux, if you are using non-scent specific tracking dogs (which is almost every LE tracking K9) then probably not. However if you are using scent specific trailing dogs (which follow the odor of a target person and not the ground disturbance of where they walked) then YES.

    It is a practiced routine to have someone abduct a baby or pick up a young child and walk away with them. That person's scent is still being distributed even though they are not touching the ground. The dogs can still follow that odor. It really depends on what type of training the dog has had. Tracking or trailing. And which enviroment the dogs have trained in. If the dog has only ever worked 'clean' trails in a vegetative location (parks, etc) then that dog will probably have issues when you ask them to work a track in an urban location with a majority of it being hard surface (concrete, asphalt, etc).
    Thank you so much!
    I am still confused with the GNR dogs report in this case. Not sure if they were tracking or trailing dogs

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    Quote Originally Posted by haden View Post
    Thank you so much!
    I am still confused with the GNR dogs report in this case. Not sure if they were tracking or trailing dogs
    Hi, I share your pain. There are so many different types of dogs and what they can and cant do, its easy for us laymen to get confused. Apart from the general use of police dogs used for days in the general search of the area and surroundings

    There were two different searches done with dogs, one on 4th May and the other on 8th May. They both traced the same trail/route. If they were not scent trailing dogs, would the handlers have asked for a personal item of Madeleine's?

    In one case they were given a towel she was supposed to have used, in the other search, her pink blanket.

    Now that the police have said they have almost certainly discarded Tanners sighting as that of the abductor, the trail traced makes sense, ie the dogs went nowhere near where she said she saw the man and child.

    Further, if these dogs are good and scent trailing, and its true that a person still sheds when carried, this must also suggest that neither the Smithman was the abductor either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K9Snoop View Post
    Sorry to hijack the thread but wanted to get Gord's question from another thread answered about whether cadaver dogs will alert on dried blood. The answer is yes. Even old, dried blood that is not visable to the naked eye. They will also alert on areas where the blood has been cleaned up. If anyone else has any questions they can PM me.

    So what is the point of cadaver dogs, if they alert to dried blood of the living?
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    Quote Originally Posted by badhorsie View Post
    So what is the point of cadaver dogs, if they alert to dried blood of the living?
    It matters. It gives information. Where you find it, how much of it is there, splatter pattern, evidence of clean-up, etc. However, just because you have blood loss does not mean a death occurs. So you have to take what you find and put it into context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K9Snoop View Post
    It matters. It gives information. Where you find it, how much of it is there, splatter pattern, evidence of clean-up, etc. However, just because you have blood loss does not mean a death occurs. So you have to take what you find and put it into context.
    The blood dog and the cadaver dog did not hit on all the same places! Wich makes me believe it wasn't just blood that Eddie was smelling!

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    Isnt the point that cadaver dogs dont JUST react to blood? Or actual remains found but react to remnant scent of a cadaver.....

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