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    MO - 68 year old woman fatally shoots 24 yr old home invader/rapist, Kansas City

    Perhaps she could have wrestled or kicked him instead?

    http://jacksoncounty.fox4kc.com/news...y-shooting-man

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    I will shoot an intruder if he/she is inside my house. I will not shoot if the intruder is outside of my house no matter what he/she does. I will call 911 and wait for LE.

    This 68 year old woman was raped, for goodness sake. What would you recommend - that she waits to see if he is going to kill her as well as rape her? I'm 100% on her side. I'm certainly NOT going to try to wrestle the intruder who may even be on drugs if I can get my hands on a gun - especially if I have been raped or harmed.

    I own a gun and am a responsible gun owner. I would not shoot to kill, but would seriously wound the intruder enough to not be able to move while I wait outside for LE.

    Not protect herself? Of course she should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaLaw2000 View Post
    I own a gun and am a responsible gun owner. I would not shoot to kill...
    If you shoot, you shoot to kill which means several times to cause rapid/fatal blood loss. If you don't plan to kill them and don't think the situation calls for you to kill them then do not shoot.

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    now this is pretty clearly a justified shooting.

    I love the way his family member is saying they have been given no facts from LE but the family suspects foul play. Sigh. Yeah, that of the now deceased guy.

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    The only bad part about this story is she didn't shoot him before he raped her.

    If you are outside my house and I don't know you I will meet you at the door with a 357. I refuse to be afraid in my own home. I live so far out in country that if called the police I could be dead and buried before they got there. The house I live in the people who rented before I bought it was evicted for not paying rent cause they were in jail for drugs. So I bought the house the got out of jail and started harassing me. I called the police 3 times the last they got caught but the police couldn't do anything but give them a warning and tell them to stop. I ask the officer what if they came back to my house mad he said lock the door and call 911. I pump my 12 gage in front him and told him I would not me afraid in my own house he either stops them or I would. For the next few weeks you couldn't step out of my house without seeing a deputy on patrol. I also never had any more trouble from the other people.

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    Williams knocked on the door asking for a name of someone who does not live there. He pushed the door opened and forced the woman into the bedroom and raped her. She was able to get her gun when he walked into another room.

    The woman fetched her revolver and walked out of her bedroom, police said. When the man came at her again, she shot him once. He collapsed.

    Williams was released from prison last year for one burglary and two robbery convictions stemming from a 2006 incident in Kansas City. He was 17 when prosecutors accused him of using a tire iron in a home invasion robbery that netted $400 and two laptop computers.

    Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/11/14...#storylink=cpy

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    I'm confused by the video that appears at the link. Is the perp "Juice"? If so, why do they keep referring to him as the victim. Or is the video/story linkage hinky? TIA!

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    Why in the media do they continuously say 'claimed she was raped' is that not clear? Do they not believe her? http://jacksoncounty.fox4kc.com/news...y-shooting-man
    Neither the state nor the defense team are saints, and there is usually plenty of incompetence to go around on both sides of the courtroom.

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    I think the Jackson co fox video was an early one with bad facts. That news video says the women told LE that she found him shot in her home. The Kansas city news link said a neighbor heard a gunshot then saw the woman come out of her home and ask for help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs G Norris View Post
    Why in the media do they continuously say 'claimed she was raped' is that not clear? Do they not believe her? http://jacksoncounty.fox4kc.com/news...y-shooting-man
    It has no connection to whether media believes her or not.
    All crimes are alleged unless the suspect is convicted.
    Since he is dead he isn't going to be convicted.
    Just my opinion


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    Quote Originally Posted by colette View Post
    I think the Jackson co fox video was an early one with bad facts. That news video says the women told LE that she found him shot in her home. The Kansas city news link said a neighbor heard a gunshot then saw the woman come out of her home and ask for help.
    yes, that's the video I heard. That she found him in her home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonya610 View Post
    If you shoot, you shoot to kill which means several times to cause rapid/fatal blood loss. If you don't plan to kill them and don't think the situation calls for you to kill them then do not shoot.
    BBM:

    Huh? I was a parish deputy for 10 years and had to qualify with weapon(s) once a year.

    If I can blow out a kneecap or even both kneecaps, why would I shoot to kill? He/she would be incapacitated. Shoot both feet - same effect. Then let LE, the lawyers, and the trial judge handle it. I'd rather see justice done, but that's just me.

    FWIW, I pray I will never be in this situation. I am now just a retired grandmother with a gun who knows how to use it.

    Thoughts and prayers for the people of Paris and all of France!

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    I'll bet the "alleged" perp's relatives will be calling foul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonya610 View Post
    Perhaps she could have wrestled or kicked him instead?
    After all, she is 68 years old and wrestling and kicking a young male of 24 at her age may not have been an option of which she was physically capable of taking.


    He does seem to have a bit of a shady past....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaLaw2000 View Post
    If I can blow out a kneecap or even both kneecaps, why would I shoot to kill?
    Here's why:

    1) Because a real life crisis is NOT like shooting a still target at the range, the target moves and can shoot back, aiming for center mass gives you the best chance of hitting them at all.

    2) Because if the perp has a weapon they could shoot you dead even after you "blew out their kneecaps". If the perp is on drugs they may feel no pain and beat you to death with your own weapon.

    3) Because the police do not "shoot folks in the leg" for a reason, they practice a whole lot more than civilians do, they have better aim and a LOT more training which is why they shoot multiple times to drop the target as fast as possible.

    4) Because using a firearm to stop a threat/attacker is a brutal and often very bloody endeavor, if you are going to have a gun for protection then you need to accept that reality. If you are afraid to inflict serious bodily injury then you are best off using mace or a stun gun.

    5) Because if they are dead then they won't be able to tell their side of the story in court.

    (I am sure there are other reasons that I didn't think of and someone else can chime in.)

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