OK - Jamison Family: Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned 08 Oct 2009 - #12

[TDoc72]

I wonder how long LE was up on the mountain after the bodies/bones were found. I hope they searched very methodically and carefully.

I haven't given up hope, however, this LE doesn't leave me with a lot of confidence. I hope I'm wrong on that and we'll get some answers at some point. I'm really interested in what the ME will say and any evidence found. Fingers crossed for soon, but as I said before, I think it will be a long while.

[watcher9]

I wonder how long LE was up on the mountain after the bodies/bones were found. I hope they searched very methodically and carefully.

I haven't given up hope, however, this LE doesn't leave me with a lot of confidence. I hope I'm wrong on that and we'll get some answers at some point. I'm really interested in what the ME will say and any evidence found. Fingers crossed for soon, but as I said before, I think it will be a long while.

According to this article, it was a two day search.

Investigators found the skeletal remains of two adults and one child over a two-day search.

http://www.kjrh.com/news/state/remai...y-from-eufaula

Since it appears that only partial remains were found, can they still extract some DNA from the bones for identification? It may be awhile - if at all - before cause of death can be determine if tell-tale bones are missing.

OSBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge Gary Perkinson told News On 6 it will be a while before positive identification is made, but they appear to be partial remains of three people.

http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.c...ins-found.html

Just thinking, if they were caught in the storm and struck by lightning, could that be determined by the ME?

[Mapman]

Just thinking, if they were caught in the storm and struck by lightning, could that be determined by the ME?

Very interesting idea. I don't know much about lightning strikes so I looked on the web after I read your post. It appears that lightning strikes can cause a wide range of damage to the body and/or clothing depending on if it is a direct hit, or indirect hit or a couple of other possibilities as well as the path that the electrical energy takes through or around the body. My impression from a cursory reading of a web page is that a lightning strike can easily kill multiple people. I hope that the ME takes a close look at this possibility. It would explain how they did not manage to survive long enough to be found by the traffic in the area.

[J. J. in Phila]

This site briefly talks about lightning strikes: http://emedicine.medscape.com/articl...28-overview#a1

Note: The photos might be too graphics for some.

Short answer is that it is difficult to detect forensic evidence of a lightning strike even when the body is discovered soon after death.

Now, I think there might be a record of lightning strikes; they can be tracked (and are on the local news). If there were some in the immediate area, the timing might be linked.

[watcher9]

This site briefly talks about lightning strikes: http://emedicine.medscape.com/articl...28-overview#a1

Note: The photos might be too graphics for some.

Short answer is that it is difficult to detect forensic evidence of a lightning strike even when the body is discovered soon after death.

Now, I think there might be a record of lightning strikes; they can be tracked (and are on the local news). If there were some in the immediate area, the timing might be linked.

Thank you for this very informative link. Here is a paragraph from it concerning lightning, although it doesn't really get into any remains that have been in the elements for years. It is my understanding that even the clothing was not intact which would further deter the finding of identity or cause of death.

Determination that lightning is the cause of the death is often based on a thorough scene investigation, as the postmortem findings can be minimal to none. Records pertaining to the weather at the time of the incident and, if available, eyewitness accounts, will greatly aid the death investigation process.

Earlier when I mentioned lightning as a possible cause, it was just a thought of how all three could have been killed without any foul play.

[zollie]

From The Eufaula Indian Journal Jan. 9, 2014 written by Jerry Fink quoting the hunter (Tim Graham ) that found skelton remains.

The skeletons were on top of the ground, but sunk a little bit into the soil from being there so long Graham said, they had settled into the ground face down. All I could see was the back of their heads. He said there were three skulls one big one a smaller one and a small one. The big one had a hole on the top of the head. Graham said lawmen tried to tell him it could have been from a coyote, aint no coyote did that said Graham. I rolled it over with my foot and saw the eye socket I called to Sherri and said I found a human skull she came up and sure enough it was a human skull, she took a step and found a femur bone I glanced to my right an found another one , Sherri says lets get the hell out of here, my wife took off down the first hill and found another one. The skeltons were about 75 years from the road,It was in a wooded area by golly a trail went right to it.

[Dallen]

From The Eufaula Indian Journal Jan. 9, 2014 written by Jerry Fink quoting the hunter (Tim Graham ) that found skelton remains.

The skeletons were on top of the ground, but sunk a little bit into the soil from being there so long Graham said, they had settled into the ground face down. All I could see was the back of their heads. He said there were three skulls one big one a smaller one and a small one. The big one had a hole on the top of the head. Graham said lawmen tried to tell him it could have been from a coyote, aint no coyote did that said Graham. I rolled it over with my foot and saw the eye socket I called to Sherri and said I found a human skull she came up and sure enough it was a human skull, she took a step and found a femur bone I glanced to my right an found another one , Sherri says lets get the hell out of here, my wife took off down the first hill and found another one. The skeltons were about 75 years from the road,It was in a wooded area by golly a trail went right to it.

That makes it sounds like they were a little further apart than I thought. Interesting. Face down. I'm not sure if that rules out anything, but in my mind, it would make it seem less likely they just succumbed to the elements after getting lost.

[ZooSleuth]

That makes it sounds like they were a little further apart than I thought. Interesting. Face down. I'm not sure if that rules out anything, but in my mind, it would make it seem less likely they just succumbed to the elements after getting lost.

Did you miss the part about the hole in one of the skulls??

[ZooSleuth]

From The Eufaula Indian Journal Jan. 9, 2014 written by Jerry Fink quoting the hunter (Tim Graham ) that found skelton remains.

The skeletons were on top of the ground, but sunk a little bit into the soil from being there so long Graham said, they had settled into the ground face down. All I could see was the back of their heads. He said there were three skulls one big one a smaller one and a small one. The big one had a hole on the top of the head. Graham said lawmen tried to tell him it could have been from a coyote, aint no coyote did that said Graham. I rolled it over with my foot and saw the eye socket I called to Sherri and said I found a human skull she came up and sure enough it was a human skull, she took a step and found a femur bone I glanced to my right an found another one , Sherri says lets get the hell out of here, my wife took off down the first hill and found another one. The skeltons were about 75 years from the road,It was in a wooded area by golly a trail went right to it.

Is this a print only publication? If so, could we see a camera phone pic of it if you have time to upload one? Thanks!

[Dallen]

Yesterday NS posted on FTJ FB page that she has spoken with the the ME again, and it may take another 6 months or longer to ID them

[watcher9]

From The Eufaula Indian Journal Jan. 9, 2014 written by Jerry Fink quoting the hunter (Tim Graham ) that found skelton remains.

The skeletons were on top of the ground, but sunk a little bit into the soil from being there so long Graham said, they had settled into the ground face down. All I could see was the back of their heads. He said there were three skulls one big one a smaller one and a small one. The big one had a hole on the top of the head. Graham said lawmen tried to tell him it could have been from a coyote, aint no coyote did that said Graham. I rolled it over with my foot and saw the eye socket I called to Sherri and said I found a human skull she came up and sure enough it was a human skull, she took a step and found a femur bone I glanced to my right an found another one , Sherri says lets get the hell out of here, my wife took off down the first hill and found another one. The skeltons were about 75 years from the road,It was in a wooded area by golly a trail went right to it.

I would love to be able to read the article when it becomes available.

I am glad that this person has come forward with some information. I wonder if they were familiar with the missing Jamison family case? It must have been terrible for he and his wife to come across this grisly scene. Prayers to them both.

It's interesting that a trail went right to the site. I wonder if it was a man/machine made trail or one made by animals? Deer will make a path/trail over time. I don't know about other animals. I wonder if the trail was wide enough for a four-wheeler?

Sounds like the bones were scattered pretty widely which would suggest animals scattering the remains. I wonder if all or how many bones were recovered? That could make a difference in the time it takes to identify them or find a cause of death? How far out did LE search in their attempt to recover any bones? I remember when they were searching for the rest of Caylee's bones, it was using a grid pattern that was quite intensive.

I can't tell if the three skulls were close together or not? Face down sounds sinister. I also wonder if they had been buried in a shallow grave which was uncovered over time by animals and weather?

Too many questions.

[TooCurious]

The "trail went right to it" is interesting. What kind of trail? Animal or vehicular?

[zollie]

Here's the article from the Indian Journal

[watcher9]

Here's the article from the Indian Journal

Thank you so much for posting the article.

[TooCurious]

Wish he would give a size indication on that hole.