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    AZ - Chief surgeon & family found dead in fire

    http://centurylink.net/news/read/cat...dead_in_ari-ap

    Joyce Bonenberger, her husband, Dennis, and 11-year-old son Trevor were found in the Friday fire, Karen Kerr-Osman, Casa Grande Regional Medical Center spokeswoman, said in statement. The Pinal County Sheriff's Office said Dennis Brough, 50, and Joyce Bonenberger Brough, 51, owned the home......

    Police and arson investigators are trying to determine the cause of the fire in a single-story home in a subdivision northeast of Casa Grande. It wasn't clear if the victims died in the fire or beforehand.
    Little more at link...will try to find more info.
    Last edited by Reader; 12-15-2013 at 12:55 PM.


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    Hospital's chief of surgery among dead in suspicious house fire

    http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...nclick_check=1

    .......Police and arson investigators are trying to determine the cause of the fire and authorities have not officially identified the Bonenbergers as the victims who were found in the aftermath of the blaze.

    Medical examiners said they would use dental records to identify the bodies from the single-story home inside the Desert Highlands subdivision near the intersection of Arizona 87 and Interstate 10.

    Authorities have described the fire as suspicious.......

    Curphy said Bonenberger was planning a big party for her child’s 12th birthday, which was Saturday

    “She was very much a family person,” she said. “(The family members) were seen around this hospital many times. As a family they were very close. They did things together all of the time.”......

    Recorded 911 calls released by officials shed some light into the frantic early moments as neighbors described the out-of-control fire spreading from the garage to the house, and how one of them tried kicking in a door and throwing rocks through windows to rescue those trapped inside. Another neighbor frantically tried to describe to dispatchers how firefighters could find the remote, rural area of the subdivision........

    First responders, which included the Regional Fire Department, Casa Grande Fire Department and the Gila River Fire Department, arrived at the home within 10 minutes of the first 911 call, the sheriff’s office said.

    Officials said the body of a man was found in the garage, a woman’s body was in the master bedroom and the body of a child was in another bedroom........

    More at link......


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    SO glad you started this thread!

    I was looking last night to see if there was one and hadn't found it but kept thinking surely there must be.

    I'm not sure what to think (other than it does sound suspicious)...

    You?

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    Me, too!

    I was poking around last night and saw a few articles that all had the same information. Was too tired to start a thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TravelingBug View Post
    SO glad you started this thread!

    I was looking last night to see if there was one and hadn't found it but kept thinking surely there must be.

    I'm not sure what to think (other than it does sound suspicious)...

    You?
    Agree with the suspicions. For instance, why didn't they try to get out?

    Is this connected in any way to the birthday of the son?

    I'm thinking they were dead before the fire started. Will be very interested to see what LE finds and decides about these deaths.


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    The article said it appeared the fire started in the garage. As the husband's body was located in the garage, with the wife in bed in the master and as well the son in his bed, now I see why they said suspicious.

    It'll be interesting to see the coroner' findings.

    JMHO
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    My guess would be murder suicide if the father was found in the garage and that is were the fire started.So sad for the family this time of year.

    Sorry Fran I posted before seeing yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fran View Post
    The article said it appeared the fire started in the garage. As the husband's body was located in the garage, with the wife in bed in the master and as well the son in his bed, now I see why they said suspicious.

    It'll be interesting to see the coroner' findings.

    JMHO
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    It was interesting b/c one source said she had a meeting or surgery she was supposed to be at around the time of the 911 call. So why was she still in bed and apparently sleeping?

    Yet we know the fire hadn't been going for ages b/c it was only in the garage from what at least one person said on one of the 911 calls from his perspective, meaning the whole house should have been engulfed by then.

    Odd, too, that at least two individuals didn't hear what must surely have been the fire alarm going off. Leaving the husband out, since who knows w/ him in the garage and it starting there (nevermind that if it were truly an innocent cause there'd likely not be a fire alarm there and maybe he could have been trapped - again, if an innocent cause or one no one in the family had any knowledge of)

    I wonder if there'd be any reason anyone would want to target them? Apparently they were basically inseparable - all three - and the husband worked for his wife.

    Could he have found something amiss in the garage that caused the fire (circumstances, I mean) and not been able to get out or to warn them? But then, again, why wouldn't she and her son have heard a fire alarm, which surely would have gone off.

    Anyone have scanner w/ rewind? Maybe down in the basement someone could relisten and see if they say anything on the 911 tapes w/ fire there about what they found or what immediately made them think it was possibly suspicious.

    I've heard several calls here w/ fires - two car fires - and three house fires - that our MAST (metro arson strike team) were called out for. But on the scanner they were talking with investigators saying why they did (or didn't) think various incidents were suspicious, and in all the ones that were suspicious and MAST came out for - and one they're just getting to literally as I'm typing this and listening to that - they've said the indicators, at least preliminary, and that was just fire on scene and incident commanders.

    I'd think they'd have done the same there, especially given the remoteness of the setting and needing to call out more resources, etc.

    Anyone up here have the subscription so you could rewind and see if you can find anything and make a thread in the basement?

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    Chief Surgeon, Husband and Son Dead in Suspicious Arizona House Fire

    Authorities are investigating what they called a suspicious fire in Casa Grande, Ariz., Friday morning that killed the family of three. An investigation is underway but officials say it's too early to tell what caused the fire.

    Dr. Joyce Bonenberger, her husband, Dennis, and 11-year-old son, Trevor, were found in the fire, Karen Kerr-Osman, Casa Grande Regional Medical Center spokeswoman, said in statement.

    Residents reported a large house fire around 6:37 a.m. Friday morning.


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    As part of a tight-knit family, Bonenberger owned and operated her own private practice and her husband was her office manager. The couple home-schooled their son. The family had been preparing a big party Saturday to celebrate Trevor's 12th birthday. The Bonenbergers had moved into the home only three weeks ago.

    more at link ............. http://abcnews.go.com/US/chief-surge...ry?id=21229489

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    abcnews.go.com/US/chief-surgeon-husband-son-dead-suspicious-arizona-house/story?id=21229489

    ".......Bonenberger had been the chief of surgery at Casa Grande Regional Medical Center since 2004 and was scheduled to be in surgery at the time of the fire......"


    As TravellingBug pointed out..... I wondered as well why she was home ? Sounds like she was committed to her job , and wouldn't be late for doing a surgery.

    Very sad case and hopefully there'll be more developments to explain how this tragedy happened.


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    Could be a murder suicide, but why would he do it?

    Now if it was a different person who did the crime, why would he or she do this? Perhaps, an adulterous affair and/or envy?

    Just my opinion.




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    If they only moved into the house 3 weeks ago, the house itself is an unknown...gas leak, some other issue that could start a fire? Grasping at straws - the fact that the fire was so intense so fast doesn't really point to an accident.
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    Something I hadn't thought about, but carbon monoxide playing a role seems like a possibility.

    It could have put the son and wife into a very deep sleep or even dead (thus explaining not hearing the fire alarm) but perhaps the husband heard a carbon detector and was still semi-coherent (at least) and went to investigate. He could have then either accidentally (either b/c of effects of carbon monoxide making him not think clearly, or just not know what he was doing) somehow inadvertently start a fire - perhaps messing with a water heater or something.

    That could explain his location, and why the wife and son were still asleep, when we know SHE at least should have already left the house.

    Being a survivor of long-term carbon monoxide poisoning, and still dealing side effects of it many years later, I know how quickly it can be so, so dangerous or deadly.

    I DID have a detector, but apparently its location (in the hallway - where it got cross breeze from windows at opposite ends of my house that were cracked year round) and getting JUST enough clean air kept it from going off, until one night, years into living here, I had closed both windows.

    It explained years of health issues when that arterial blood gas test confirmed that's what it was, and every toxicologist and doctor I've met with since has said how miraculous it is that it hadn't killed me and that it must be b/c I have an extremely high tolerance to meds, and that's seemed to transfer over to just about everything (not that I drink much at all, but it's true of alcohol also)

    They said that it's especially rare for people living alone to be killed b/c if people don't have a detector - or it's not working right or something as was the case w/ mine - because whereas a family might pick up on symptoms with multiple people being ill and then it getting figured out, anyone living alone doesn't have that "perk."

    Though now they're pushed much more, there are still so many who don't have CO detectors or don't use them or don't regularly change the batteries, yet CO poisoning is SO serious.

    Given that they just moved in, that actually almost ups the odds that CO could play a role. Water heater just hooked up, depending on the type of kitchen appliances used, etc. All are possibilities.

    It was actually a new water heater put in in my home just before I moved in that was the source of my CO poisoning.

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    Not much of an update, but the wife has been officially ID'd.

    Saying it could be 90 days for a cause to be determined.

    http://www.trivalleycentral.com/casa...9bb2963f4.html

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    3 killed in fire outside Casa Grande identified


    http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...dentified.html

    Surgeon, her husband and son had lived in house just a few weeks<<<this disagrees with last section of the article:
    The family had lived there for several years.


    More from article:

    Dr. Greg Hess, chief Pima County medical examiner, said dental records were used to identify the victims as Dr. Joyce Bonenberger, 51, and her husband, Dennis Brough, 50. Their son, Trevor, 11, was identified through description and circumstances.

    “Everybody’s been identified,” Hess said.

    “Now, it’s a matter of a little bit of time,” with toxicology tests likely to determine the cause of death in about three to four weeks.
    “We’re not tipping the scale in any direction yet,” Rice said, adding that no obvious sign of arson was found.

    “I don’t have any weighted evidence to give a probability in any direction,” she said........

    She said that the deadly fire began inside the house, which was equipped with smoke detectors but not sprinklers, and that the origin of the blaze and the cause have not been identified.
    More at link....also has video


    "The further we (as the human race) grow away from the natural world, the quieter the natural world becomes and the more pathological we become as a culture."........Bernie Krause

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