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    Quote Originally Posted by Karmady View Post
    I didn't realize that I'd posted a snip from the fake transcript in a thread that was closing and I don't know how to bring posts over here. But I want to reiterate that I have NOT been following the case closely and I'm not sure how or why anyone would dispute that. The reason why I posted was because I was shocked that someone took the trouble to create a mock up of a trial transcript that totally appeared at first glance to be an actual trial transcript. When I glanced at it, I thought it was real. And if I had skipped right to the testimony, I never would have known it was just the typing of some random internet person who calls themselves Thoughtful. That is beyond bizarre, imo.
    The "inaccurate" rendition of the recorded jail conversation that many posters defended here as a legitimate "alternative version of the transcript" (it was some 2 threads ago) is a product of the same individual.
    Last edited by Katody; 12-19-2013 at 10:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katody View Post
    The "inaccurate" rendition of the recorded jail conversation that many posters defended here as a legitimate "alternative version of the transcript" (it was some 2 threads ago) is a product of the same individual.
    I did not defend the transcript, once I had noted that additional material had been added to it, that did not appear in the original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karmady View Post
    I didn't realize that I'd posted a snip from the fake transcript in a thread that was closing and I don't know how to bring posts over here. But I want to reiterate that I have NOT been following the case closely and I'm not sure how or why anyone would dispute that. The reason why I posted was because I was shocked that someone took the trouble to create a mock up of a trial transcript that totally appeared at first glance to be an actual trial transcript. When I glanced at it, I thought it was real. And if I had skipped right to the testimony, I never would have known it was just the typing of some random internet person who calls themselves Thoughtful. That is beyond bizarre, imo.
    It's ridiculous that it is being bashed because of where it is hosted. The actual trial is in Italian of course it isn't the actual transcript. It is translated. Please if we are going to accuse it of being inaccurate, take the time to compare two translations and point out the major flaws.

    It was made simple to read in format but the testimony is the testimony.

    If machine translations are used here and are by no means accurate then this one should be. It's way better than how a machine "interprets" the text.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    For those that are fluent in Italian, is this translation correct?

    “She opened the door with the keys and I went inside. I noticed that Filomena’s door was wide-open and glass on the floor and the room was in a mess. Amanda’s door was open and instead everything was in order. Then I went by Meredith’s door and I saw that it was key locked. First I looked if it was true what Amanda told me about blood in the bathroom and I noticed drops of blood in the sink, while on the bathmat there was something strange, a sort of mixture of water and blood, while the rest of the bathroom was clean… The rest was in order. At that very moment Amanda entered the big bathroom and came out frightened, strongly hugging me telling me that before, when she had the shower, she had seen some feces in the toilet that as opposed to now was clean. I asked myself what was happening and went out to see if I could manage to climb to Meredith’s window… I tried to breakdown the door but I didn’t succeed and at that point I decided to call my sister and get her advice because she is a lieutenant in the Carabinieri. She told me to call 112, but in the meantime the postal police arrived. In the previous statement I told you a lot of crap because she [AK] convinced me of her version of the facts and I didn’t think of the inconsistencies."

    http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_n...arzanini.shtml
    I cannot read or write Italian, so the only thing I have to offer by way of a comparison, is the Google translate which comes up automatically when I follow the link: Or was yours already a Google translate? I see here and there a word or two is transposed, but the look the same, otherwise.

    "She opened the door with the keys and I entered. I noticed that Filomena's door was wide open with the glass on the floor and the room a mess. Amanda's door was open, and instead everything was in order. Then I went to Meredith's door and saw that it was locked. First I looked to see if it was true what Amanda had told me on the blood in the bathroom and I noticed drops of blood on the sink, while on the mat there was something strange, a sort of mixed blood and water, while the rest of the bathroom was clean .... The rest was in order. At that while Amanda went into the bathroom and came out great scared and hugged me and told me that strong before, when he took a shower, he saw that instead of feces in the toilet was clean now. I wondered what was going on and I went out to see if I could climb on the window of Meredith ... I tried to break the door but I could not, and at that point I decided to call my sister and I have recommended to her because he is a police lieutenant. He told me to call 112, but in the meantime came the police post. In the previous report I have reported a lot of crap because she had convinced me of her version of events and I have not thought about the inconsistencies. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber29 View Post
    It's ridiculous that it is being bashed because of where it is hosted. The actual trial is in Italian of course it isn't the actual transcript. It is translated. Please if we are going to accuse it of being inaccurate, take the time to compare two translations and point out the major flaws.

    It was made simple to read in format but the testimony is the testimony.
    Most of what I have read on that site does not differ from other translations. I don't know why words were added to this recorded prison conversation, but in the end it did not really alter the meaning of the conversation at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMK View Post
    Most of what I have read on that site does not differ from other translations. I don't know why words were added to this recorded prison conversation, but in the end it did not really alter the meaning of the conversation at all.
    Yes I think I will email the site owner and see why that isn't accurate.
    Ive never seen the translations deemed not trustworthy. That particular testimony was only put into an easy to follow format. That's it.

    SMK can you point me to that please? I can't find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber29 View Post
    Yes I think I will email the site owner and see why that isn't accurate.
    Ive never seen the translations deemed not trustworthy. That particular testimony was only put into an easy to follow format. That's it.

    SMK can you point me to that please? I can't find it.
    The pre-dawn call to Amanda's mother transcript can be found on the Wiki site, here:

    http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co...wn_Call_To_Mom

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMK View Post
    The pre-dawn call to Amanda's mother transcript can be found on the Wiki site, here:

    http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co...wn_Call_To_Mom
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMK View Post
    The pre-dawn call to Amanda's mother transcript can be found on the Wiki site, here:

    http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co...wn_Call_To_Mom
    It's not a transcript of a call to be strict. It's not a transcript either, in fact

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katody View Post
    It's not a transcript of a call to be strict. It's not a transcript either, in fact
    Would you mind linking to the other, so I can see the difference?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber29 View Post
    Would you mind linking to the other, so I can see the difference?
    http://galatiappeal.files.wordpress....c-cass-p-g.pdf

    Galati's appeal, pg. 82 contains the most extensive quote of the bugged jail conversation that is publicly available.

    The text and the translation had been quoted here before by me and by SMK. It was a few threads ago, I'm afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelSmith View Post
    AMANDA KNOX AND HER LAWYERS DEMOLISH ALL ACCUSATIONS
    http://wrongfulconvictionnews.com/am...l-accusations/

    Meredith Kercher Family Attorney Makes False Accusations Against Amanda Knox
    http://groundreport.com/meredith-ker...t-amanda-knox/
    BBM> Quote is from Fisher's Ground Report article posted above:

    Today, in the courtroom in Perugia, at 2:40 p.m., without warning, without dignity, without any apparent concern for Meredith or her grieving family, without decency, an attorney began to display eight foot square, gruesome, lurid and obscene naked full-frontal photographs of Meredith Kercher’s blood-smeared body, lying on the floor next to her bed where she had been murdered and sexually assaulted. She lay in the very position that Rudy Guede left her after putting a pillow under her hips to assist in the sexual assault. The photos were, to say the least, explicit, and press cameras immediately began clicking, as the courtroom spectators stood and moved toward the huge screen where the large photos were being displayed. Meredith was shown from the tips of her toes all the way to her eyes, fixed in a glassy, gruesome stare above a gaping throat slash. The audience gasped.

    More grisly photos followed; close-ups of the deep slash to Meredith’s throat, showing the severed muscles and larynx. But still the photos continued; photos which showed graphically the sputum foam which was the result of her labored breathing as the blood from her neck drained into her lungs. The photos showed her empty eyes and her blood-caked hair.

    “The graphic, obscene, desecrating photographs shown today had no evidentiary value. No legitimate purpose was served by the photographs. Nothing about the murder scene was in dispute in this session. Nothing about Meredith’s death, her condition at the time of death, or her body was in play. In short, there was no reason in the entire legal world to show detailed photographs of the violated body of his clients’ child and sister. No reason except money. The display was gratuitous, designed to horrify and shock a jury. And it horrified. And it shocked. But maybe only the conscience of decent people. Several people left the courtroom, and many were left traumatized.
    http://groundreport.com/meredith-ker...t-amanda-knox/

    Just wanted to say, that yes, what Maresca did seems unconscionable ; civil attorneys are notorious for these over-the-top moves, and for going after enormous monetary awards for their clients, of which they often take a third.

    However, that said, it should be duly noted that :

    1. Maresca did say he wanted to get across the idea that such injury could not have been inflicted by a single attacker.

    2. Jurors in the Trayvon Martin case were also shown ghastly and graphic photos of the victim;

    3. As was the court and public in the Jodia Arias case: The victim, Travis Alexander, was shown naked, dead, with slashes and caked blood on him.

    4. In the William Clyde Gibson murder trial a graphic video of the murder victim was shown in court on the third day of the trial.

    5. In the Drew Peterson trial, graphic photos of murder victim Kathleen Saivo were shown.

    What Maresca did was not unprecedented and not without some motive other than monetary award.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMK View Post
    BBM> Quote is from Fisher's Ground Report article posted above:

    http://groundreport.com/meredith-ker...t-amanda-knox/

    Just wanted to say, that yes, what Maresca did seems unconscionable ; civil attorneys are notorious for these over-the-top moves, and for going after enormous monetary awards for their clients, of which they often take a third.

    However, that said, it should be duly noted that :

    1. Maresca did say he wanted to get across the idea that such injury could not have been inflicted by a single attacker.

    2. Jurors in the Trayvon Martin case were also shown ghastly and graphic photos of the victim;

    3. As was the court and public in the Jodia Arias case: The victim, Travis Alexander, was shown naked, dead, with slashes and caked blood on him.

    4. In the William Clyde Gibson murder trial a graphic video of the murder victim was shown in court on the third day of the trial.

    5. In the Drew Peterson trial, graphic photos of murder victim Kathleen Saivo were shown.

    What Maresca did was not unprecedented and not without some motive other than monetary award.
    Those photos were shown by PROSECUTORS not lawyers representing the victims family especially when there was protocol to clear the media when graphic crime scene photos were shown. Do you think Meredith's mother approved of her naked dead body photos being shown by her own attorney while the media clicked away? I don't.
    Last edited by MichaelSmith; 12-19-2013 at 12:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelSmith View Post
    Those photos were shown by PROSECUTORS not lawyers representing the victims family especially when there was protocol to clear the media when graphic crime scene photos were shown.
    The lawyer requested the courtroom to be cleared of the public several times, but this needs to be done by the judge. It is judge Hellmann who didn't do his job here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherlockh View Post
    The lawyer requested the courtroom to be cleared of the public several times, but this needs to be done by the judge. It is judge Hellmann who didn't do his job here.
    Nope, it was Maresca who just flashed the photos. Were you there? The media sure was interested to know if he had permission to do that.

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