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    Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #3

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    Court documents:
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    http://www.scribd.com/doc/195182229/...training-Order

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/195183111/...on-Dec-20-2013

    12/24/13
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    http://www.scribd.com/doc/195184121/...an-family-atty

    12/30/13
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    http://www.scribd.com/doc/195185964/...Lawsuit-filing

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    The namecalling ends. Now. It's clear in our rules that namecalling of players in cases, or each other, is a rules violation. If I see any more namecalling in this thread, the poster gets to be on the outside looking in.

    Zero tolerance from this point forward.

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    Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #3

    "Brain-death doesn't usually go on for several weeks," she added. "The brain is responsible for autonomic processes and if the brain is not alive, certain autonomic processes will cease and result in eventual death."
    http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...o-medical-case
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    Does this family seriously think this is a great place to take her? Have they even checked it out?

    This is no place to take someone much less someone hooked up to a breathing machine.

    I doubt the place even has air conditioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyBelle View Post
    I believe the harvesting of her organs would have brought increased revenue to the hospital because the surgery would have taken place there. That's just my opinion.
    Do you mean the surgeries for the children receiving the organs? If so, the organs could go anywhere in the US, whoever is on top of the list.

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    http://www.aopo.org/brain-death-a68

    Brain death laws state by state!

    A little scary....you'd think it would be uniform.


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    http://surgery.med.miami.edu/laora/c...eath-diagnosis

    Criteria for ADULTS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda7NJ View Post
    http://www.aopo.org/brain-death-a68

    Brain death laws state by state!

    A little scary....you'd think it would be uniform.


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    I randomly clicked on about 7 states, and the definitions were all extremely similar and, in some cases, identical.

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    It was mentioned on the previous thread that there was no legal reason the hospital couldn't do the trach and gastric tube surgery so I thought I would post this again....apparently with the first extension the court ruled that the hospital is not to do these, and that ruling was upheld yesterday.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...ove-brain-dead

    "On Tuesday, Jahi family attorney Christopher Dolan filed a second brief with the appeals court, asking the judge to reverse earlier orders forbidding the hospital from giving Jahi a tracheotomy for breathing and inserting a gastric tube for feeding. However, a judge denied that request a short time later.

    Hospital officials have refused to perform any medical procedure on Jahi since she was declared brain dead, saying it is unethical to do so. The hospital also will not allow an outside doctor to perform the procedures at Children's Hospital, according to spokesman Sam Singer."
    imo, jmo, imho and all that stuff

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    NEW criteria for CHILDREN

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/748870




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    Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #3

    Just read an article...I'll link it in a minute. About half the states have adopted the uniform standards.

    How scary is it that a person can be legally dead in one state and not another?


    http://www.uniformlaws.org/Narrative...20Adopt%20UDDA

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    From the prior thread: "I know people who have kept their brain-damaged child in their home with 24-hour-nursing care so it really isn't as impossible as the hospital is insisting."

    Having home care for a relative is not the same as a business accepting patients for care for reimbursement.

    There are standards that have to be met to be licensed. Healthcare businesses that accept patients for care must meet CMS (Medicare) regulations, which are usually inspected by state health facilities licensing boards.

    You cannot equate home care with a 24/7 licensed facility.

    I will be happy to research the license for the New York facility if you can provide a name.
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    Things that make you go hmmmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxibear View Post
    I randomly clicked on about 7 states, and the definitions were all extremely similar and, in some cases, identical.
    That's correct.

    From the link

    Irreversible cessation of all functions of the brain including the cortex and the brain stem. This definition of whole brain death has been endorsed by the American Medical Association and the American Bar Association, and is law in 46 states. Thirty-six of these states have adopted some version of the Uniform Determination of Death Act, which includes whole brain death as a legal determination of death. Criteria for diagnosis rest on three principal abnormalities: (1) severe coma of known cause; (2) absent brainstem reflexes; and (3) sustained apnea. If brain death criteria are satisfied, the patient is legally dead and no further treatment or permission to treat is necessary.

    http://www.ascensionhealth.org/index...117&Itemid=172

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    I don't think the family has to return any money donated. I've got a fundraiser on the site myself and no one keeps track of where the money goes. You have to just trust the person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SophieRose View Post
    Do you mean the surgeries for the children receiving the organs? If so, the organs could go anywhere in the US, whoever is on top of the list.
    No, I meant the surgery to remove the organs from the donor.

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