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    Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #47

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    Gerard Bayden-Clay has been arrested and charged with the murder of Allison Bayden-Clay


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    Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #47

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    Wow - could I really be first in the trial thread

    I just wanted to comment on what details re the counsellor may be examined. I have no idea about her credentials, skills, etc, but considering both sides of the trial will want to highlight something that favours their arguments, here are some thoughts:

    -confidentiality - if she spoke with GBC and Allison separately, was anything disclosed that shouldn't have been
    -counsellor notes - inconsistencies, judgements/interpretations of both GBC and Allison
    -timelines and history of relationship
    -nature of the relationship - how did GBC and Allison describe it, any mention of any form of abuse, threats, etc
    -Allison's response to finding out about the affair and how she was dealing with this
    -disclosure of financial difficulties - would be so curious to hear if GBC mentioned financial stress in his session
    -counsellor's views of GBC and Allison - state of mind, stress, coping skills, threats of self or other harm, depression, etc
    -counselling plan - was there a schedule of appts made, were they intending to see counsellor together or separately?
    -did the counsellor have a supervisor that discussed the case with her?
    -were there other counsellors that GBC and Allison had seen?
    -was separation or divorce discussed - what did GBC and Allison want - to work on the marriage or work on ending the marriage (and did they both want the same thing)

    I'm sure there are heaps more - these are just off the top of my head right now.

    What I really would lllloooovvvvee to know is if the counsellor sessions were part of GBC's plan - did he know when he spoke with the counsellor what he was about to do?

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    Wink The question of Intent:

    Quote Originally Posted by Strangeworld View Post
    Wow - could I really be first in the trial thread ... <respectfully snipped> ...

    What I really would lllloooovvvvee to know is if the counsellor sessions were part of GBC's plan - did he know when he spoke with the counsellor what he was about to do?
    Good question: the question of intent to murder.
    Were plans already in place when he spoke with the Counsellor?


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    I thought those calls were like a forwarding service so if someone rang the office number it was forwarded on to GBC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maigret View Post
    I thought those calls were like a forwarding service so if someone rang the office number it was forwarded on to GBC
    Maigret ..... this could very well explain the calls (and the diverted calls could be cross-referenced), and maybe Telstra would have the evidence who of that caller(s) telephone number(s). If GBC was attending his phone (along with 'worrying' about Allison, etc), it would have left little time for 'sh..ting and shaving' as he put it. What a conundrum .... but in fact better than having nothing for Detectives to work through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuskier View Post
    Good question: the question of intent to murder.
    Were plans already in place when he spoke with the Counsellor?

    In his interview with the attending Police, GBC told them "we've been to a couple of different counsellors....."; "... We, Allison was comfortable with this woman, was keen for me to meet her-- ...".''
    ..... Wonder if any other Counsellors will give evidence as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couldbe View Post
    Maigret ..... this could very well explain the calls (and the diverted calls could be cross-referenced), and maybe Telstra would have the evidence who of that caller(s) telephone number(s). If GBC was attending his phone (along with 'worrying' about Allison, etc), it would have left little time for 'sh..ting and shaving' as he put it. What a conundrum .... but in fact better than having nothing for Detectives to work through.
    Maigret ...... I now think that early morning calls from 19 April (day before Allison was reported missing by Gerard) are probably irrelevant / do not relate to his activities on the morning of the 20th (day GBC reported Allison missing).


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    Anyone else see this? My apologies if posted on previous thread. GBC named no 3. Not for the reasons he probably once dreamed of. Shame on you GBC. MOO. http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/quee...=1388368236233

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    Quote Originally Posted by LollyPop View Post
    Anyone else see this? My apologies if posted on previous thread. GBC named no 3. Not for the reasons he probably once dreamed of. Shame on you GBC. MOO. http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/quee...=1388368236233
    I'll bet the entire BC clan are horrified at this! he finally has fame! but for all the wrong reasons.
    L K out L K out, there are catterpillars about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humdinger View Post
    I'll bet the entire BC clan are horrified at this! he finally has fame! but for all the wrong reasons.
    A bit like boy scout founder Baden-Powell. He was not innocent in the scouting movement.
    It is not wisdom but Authority that makes a law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakingNews View Post
    A bit like boy scout founder Baden-Powell. He was not innocent in the scouting movement.
    Yes, a bit of an education in that department, to be sure.
    The moral to that story; It's not a matter of what's true that counts, but what is perceived to be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakingNews View Post
    A bit like boy scout founder Baden-Powell. He was not innocent in the scouting movement.
    And whilst quoting quotes, and thinking about publicity minded people some of whom, open mouth before mind is in gear, and have done a bit of public speaking, (so it should be easy):
    “The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one’s real and one’s declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink.” George Orwell

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