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    Darlie's "Hypnosis"

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    These are as follows: Darlie reports that she had fallen asleep on the couch in the living room with two boys sleeping on the floor. The lights were off except for the light from the big screen TV in the living room. Darlie reports she awoke and had trouble breathing, as if something was blocking her airflow. She also felt pressure and pain in her legs with the pressure holding her down. She reports that she saw two men, but not anyone she knew. On man who was on and over her was described as big and very black, very dark. The other man she could not see clearly because of the lack of light, but felt that he was probably not white because he seemed darker than a white man. The other man she reports seeing bending over Devon, and holding him down when Devon was trying to come to her. Darlie reports that she was trying to get away. In her struggle, she fell off the couch on to Damon who was asleep on the floor next to the couch. She reports Damon awoke when she fell on him. The man was trying to pull her up. He began stabbing at Damon and Darlie tried to stop him but could not. Darlie was pulled back onto the couch and felt pain in her groin, feeling it might be his knee; and pressure on her chest, feeling it might be his head. She remembers the man making noises, but does not know what, other than that he said “shut up *****.” She reports the man smell of smoke and had lots of small braids. He had a cap on his head with the brim forward. The only other sound Darlie reported during this session that she heard glass breaking she could not be sure where, but felt that it might be in the living room.

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    Thank you for posting that Jeana!

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    One of our members was kind enough to retype this and Casshew was kind enough to host it. The entire thing can be viewed at:

    http://www.casshew.com/darliehistory.htm

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    So, where does it go from here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs4point0
    So, where does it go from here?

    I'm sorry - where does what go from here? The case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeana (DP)
    I'm sorry - where does what go from here? The case?
    Yeah, sorry. I haven't really kept up with this case. I realize she's in prison, but what's the point of hypnosis and all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs4point0
    Yeah, sorry. I haven't really kept up with this case. I realize she's in prison, but what's the point of hypnosis and all?
    Presumably the hypnosis was to get a better description of the person she claimed did this to her sons and herself. That way her lawyers could investigate and prove she didn't do it and therefore be let out of prison.

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    Darlie starts off in the 911 tape with a "they," a "them," "somebody, "some man" and back to "they."

    Darlie's versions go from:
    1) Damon pressing on her right shoulder and heard him cry,
    2) Damon runs into my right shoulder and says "mommy."
    3) Damon hitting my right shoulder, and he said "Mommie", or he said "Mommie, Mommie,"
    4) she heard Damon going "Mommie, Mommie". He leaned on her saying,"Mommie, Mommie"
    5) she felt Damon touch her on the shoulder and woke her up. He was saying mommie, mommie, mommie
    6) Damon woke her up by crying.

    IN THE HYPNOSIS: Darlie fell off the couch on to Damon who was asleep on the floor next to the couch. Damon awoke when she fell on him."


    Darlie's other versions go from 1) she woke up with the intruder over the to of her 2) she felt pressure on her legs and she woke up, the man sitting on top of her.

    Darlie hypnosis: 1) she woke up with trouble breathing and with pressure and pain in her legs.

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    I'm sorry, but I don't see the discrepancy in the variations that much. People can't always use the same exact wording every time in a statement, especially after a traumatic event like that one. For instance, from Damon touching her on the shoulder, or running into her shoulder, how would she know the exact way, if she was just waking up. And then, from the man lying on top of her, to feeling the pressure on her legs, how is that different? She admits that she was not fully awake, isn't sure about the exact timing of each step, so what can law enforcement expect?

    I don't know whether Darlie is guilty or not. All I am saying is that I read through all 16 versions on the other thread, and they don't vary all that much. The point is that due to the stress, the trauma of losing her sons, and having to repeat about 100 times, she could not be expected to get it exact every time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeana (DP)
    One of our members was kind enough to retype this and Casshew was kind enough to host it. The entire thing can be viewed at:

    http://www.casshew.com/darliehistory.htm
    Thank you to all involved -- it is MUCH appreciated!


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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasLadyBlue
    I'm sorry, but I don't see the discrepancy in the variations that much. People can't always use the same exact wording every time in a statement, especially after a traumatic event like that one. For instance, from Damon touching her on the shoulder, or running into her shoulder, how would she know the exact way, if she was just waking up. And then, from the man lying on top of her, to feeling the pressure on her legs, how is that different? She admits that she was not fully awake, isn't sure about the exact timing of each step, so what can law enforcement expect?

    I don't know whether Darlie is guilty or not. All I am saying is that I read through all 16 versions on the other thread, and they don't vary all that much. The point is that due to the stress, the trauma of losing her sons, and having to repeat about 100 times, she could not be expected to get it exact every time!
    I don't know whether she's guilty or not, either. We can't guage that based on these 'discrepancies.' Remember the discrepancies in John Mason's statements to the media? I sure do. His actions and words did seem as though he had something to hide (to me, anyway). There were variations in his stories, and he was innocent of any wrong-doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs4point0
    I don't know whether she's guilty or not, either. We can't guage that based on these 'discrepancies.' Remember the discrepancies in John Mason's statements to the media? I sure do. His actions and words did seem as though he had something to hide (to me, anyway). There were variations in his stories, and he was innocent of any wrong-doing.
    I agree mrs4point0. If we were to play judge and jury based upon statement discrepancies...we'd all be in trouble. I realize Darlie has already been tried, but I feel that she wasn't given a fair shake. I just don't believe the entire story and ALL of the pictures were presented properly to the jury. At the very least, she deserves another trial. What is the state of Texas so afraid of? If she's truly guilty and they have enough evidence, why not grant her the new trial? There is something fishy there. Way too often, our 'justice' system is off.
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    The discrepancies are just a part of the whole picture.

    However, Darlie's versions of ONE person committing this crime morphs to TWO persons committing this crime, a vague description to yet another description and then another, then claiming it was a neighbor, those are big discrepancies. To go from those descriptions of those perps to now claiming it was Darrin is yet another discrepancy. So which was it Darlie? Was it one, two unknown perps, was it the neighbor as she claimed to some, was it Darrin. She can't make up her mind. From her point of view it's got to be someone other than HER.

    Darlie's version of just how she woke up, with Damon pushing her arm or calling to her is a big difference from falling on HIM and waking HIM up versus him waking HER up. She can't have it both ways. It was one way or the other.

    Darlie's versions from 1) waking up and seeing the man walking away to 2) waking up fighting 3) waking up with pressure on her are another big discrepancy. Even in retelling the story over and over again, a person is going to remember the majority of the time the main events as they remember them. Smaller details, those can get changed, but overall the main event of what you remember, although maybe with some variation is going to pretty much stay the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollymalone
    The discrepancies are just a part of the whole picture.

    However, Darlie's versions of ONE person committing this crime morphs to TWO persons committing this crime, a vague description to yet another description and then another, then claiming it was a neighbor, those are big discrepancies. To go from those descriptions of those perps to now claiming it was Darrin is yet another discrepancy. So which was it Darlie? Was it one, two unknown perps, was it the neighbor as she claimed to some, was it Darrin. She can't make up her mind. From her point of view it's got to be someone other than HER.

    Darlie's version of just how she woke up, with Damon pushing her arm or calling to her is a big difference from falling on HIM and waking HIM up versus him waking HER up. She can't have it both ways. It was one way or the other.

    Darlie's versions from 1) waking up and seeing the man walking away to 2) waking up fighting 3) waking up with pressure on her are another big discrepancy. Even in retelling the story over and over again, a person is going to remember the majority of the time the main events as they remember them. Smaller details, those can get changed, but overall the main event of what you remember, although maybe with some variation is going to pretty much stay the same.
    Darlie has said she was misquoted in this version. She says she said she 'woke up frightened'....not fighting. She claims she was misquoted on the 911 tape as well. Yes, there are discrepancies in her versions, BUT how many people go through traumatic events and remember everything without discrepancies? Look at soldiers during war...one can tell one version....yet another will tell a completely different point of view...the human mind acts differently under extreme stress. Imagine waking up to blood ALL OVER your living room, your two boys have been stabbed, and you have been slashed to within a millimeter of your life....WOULD YOU remember everything perfectly? There are times when our minds shut out these traumatic details to keep us from going insane. Heck, look at JFK's assassination, you have tons of eyewitnesses...yet there are different versions to that story. Are we to believe those people are all nuts? It DOES happen.
    What is the state of Texas so afraid of?? If they had a perfect case...why be afraid to present the full story to a jury in this day? Many legal analysts have said that had Darlie and Darin retained a lawyer asap...instead of offering to come in and speak with police repeatedly...she would NOT be sitting on death row right now. A past juror has said that had he been shown those pictures of Darlie's injuries, he WOULD NOT have voted guilty. Had the jury NOT been from such a conservative area...she WOULD HAVE had a fairer trial. Ok, so why not give her that now? She's been sitting on death row for years now. If she's guilty, they have nothing to lose. If she isn't...ALL HELL would break loose. For me, there are too many questionable issues at hand. Give the woman another trial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pocono Sleuther
    Darlie has said she was misquoted in this version. She says she said she 'woke up frightened'....not fighting. She claims she was misquoted on the 911 tape as well.
    It wasn't frightened... if it was fright'anything' it was frightening. You can clearly hear the 'ing' at the end of that word. In other words she claims she said 'I woke up... I was frightening'.

    Yes, there are discrepancies in her versions, BUT how many people go through traumatic events and remember everything without discrepancies?
    Slight discrepancies- understandable. But Darlie story shifts and changes with the wind. For example, when do we first hear about the fact that she spent so much of the time whilst on 911 running around wetting towels in the sink? Does she tell the police during her interviews? Does she write it in her voluntary report? Nope. First time she mentions it is when she sees they have taken everything including the kitchen sink for forensic testing. I don't think anyone is claiming that Darlie must have a perfect memory of the events... but it is only fair to expect that if she was telling the truth she would not contradict herself as much as she does, or progressively elaborate on her story as new evidence comes up which needs to be answered.

    What is the state of Texas so afraid of?? If they had a perfect case...why be afraid to present the full story to a jury in this day?
    The State presented the case against Darlie Routier for the murder of Damon. The jury convicted her. I can't see that the State is afraid of anything... except perhaps setting a precedent whereby a convicted murderer can get a new trial just because they feel they don't like the outcome of the first. What exactly do you think the jury missed out on hearing? What more was there to the story that the jury did not hear?

    A past juror has said that had he been shown those pictures of Darlie's injuries, he WOULD NOT have voted guilty.
    Both the prosecution and the defense team have absolutely confirmed (on the record) that all of those photos were entered into evidence. None were hidden from the jury.

    With respect to that as well smething that I've thought of in the past (but not sure if it follows the procedure of entering things into evidence in court) is that we have access to the photos in MTJD. CWB who published the photos in MTJD copied them from the evidence files of the court. If they weren't entered into evidence at the trial then how did he get his hands on them to suddenly reveal this 'big secret'? As I said maybe I don't understand the system??

    Had the jury NOT been from such a conservative area...she WOULD HAVE had a fairer trial.
    Why?? Because conservative folk can't weigh and measure the evidence like their less conservative peers??

    She's been sitting on death row for years now. If she's guilty, they have nothing to lose. If she isn't...ALL HELL would break loose. For me, there are too many questionable issues at hand. Give the woman another trial.
    On what premise??? The fact that it wasn't proven beyond all doubt? In that case you folks over there in the States are going to be busy for the forseeable future giving everyone who has ever been convicted despite some small doubt a new trial.

    It simply doesn't work that way. The evidence was presented to the jury. They convicted her. The burden of guilt is beyond reasonable doubt... so what evidence is there that you think provides reasonable doubt? I don't mean to sound blunt- but the reality is that most people who want Darlie to have a new trial stop there and refuse to go so far as to explain what they think provides reasonable doubt in this case.

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