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    Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #5

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    Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #5

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    The Eighth-grader was released to the coroner who then released her into the custody of her mother Latasha Winkfield as per court order, Dr. David Durand, Chief of Pediatrics at the Children's Hospital & Research Center Oakland said in a statement. He added that her destination is unknown.
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    January 6, 2014 at 7:29 am

    California girl declared brain dead moved from hospital

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    Oakland, Calif. — Acting with a court order, the family of a 13-year-old California girl declared brain dead after a tonsillectomy has had her taken from a California hospital to be cared for elsewhere, the family’s attorney says.

    Jahi McMath was moved by a critical care team while attached to a ventilator but without a feeding tube, Christopher Dolan told the Associated Press.

    She left from Children’s Hospital of Oakland in a private ambulance shortly before 8 p.m. Sunday, Dolan said. Her destination was not immediately disclosed.

    “It was a very tense situation,” said Dolan. “Everybody played by the rules.” ...

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    Today is 26 days since she was declared dead on December 12th.
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    Dolan and the family have a huge financial incentive to keep her heart beating for as long as possible.

    I wonder if they are keeping a chart and "medical records" of her care. Not that any of it could ever be introduced as a valid medical record in court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes View Post
    January 6, 2014 at 7:29 am

    California girl declared brain dead moved from hospital

    Terry Collins /Associated Press

    Oakland, Calif. — Acting with a court order, the family of a 13-year-old California girl declared brain dead after a tonsillectomy has had her taken from a California hospital to be cared for elsewhere, the family’s attorney says.

    Jahi McMath was moved by a critical care team while attached to a ventilator but without a feeding tube, Christopher Dolan told the Associated Press.

    She left from Children’s Hospital of Oakland in a private ambulance shortly before 8 p.m. Sunday, Dolan said. Her destination was not immediately disclosed.

    “It was a very tense situation,” said Dolan. “Everybody played by the rules.” ...

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...-from-hospital
    Jahi went into cardiac arrest while recovering from surgery to remove her tonsils, adenoids and uvula along with bony structures from her nose and throat and palate tissue.
    None of my girls had this routine surgery.
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    Hi! I've been lurking and reading for a few days (scanned thread 1 and read all of 2-4) and finally registered because I wanted to comment on the remarks about CHO serving all of California and Northern Nevada - and subsequent remarks about how hated the hospital is. I'm from Reno and I know quite a few people, either personally or through friends, who have taken their kids to CHO for pediatric oncology. Given the circumstances in which the families have ended up at CHO I imagine they are stressed out and hurting in ways I can never imagine. Yet I've never heard a single bad thing about CHO. If I were ever to need such care for my own kids I wouldn't hesitate to take them to CHO.

    As for this whole case... I just...

    I've been wondering .. Since she is considered legally deceased by the state of California does that mean those involved, like the mother, could face charges of desecration of a corpse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NevadaMom View Post
    Hi! I've been lurking and reading for a few days (scanned thread 1 and read all of 2-4) and finally registered because I wanted to comment on the remarks about CHO serving all of California and Northern Nevada - and subsequent remarks about how hated the hospital is. I'm from Reno and I know quite a few people, either personally or through friends, who have taken their kids to CHO for pediatric oncology. Given the circumstances in which the families have ended up at CHO I imagine they are stressed out and hurting in ways I can never imagine. Yet I've never heard a single bad thing about CHO. If I were ever to need such care for my own kids I wouldn't hesitate to take them to CHO.

    As for this whole case... I just...

    I've been wondering .. Since she is considered legally deceased by the state of California does that mean those involved, like the mother, could face charges of desecration of a corpse?





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    I am no expert on this, but I think it highly unlikely that the mother would be charged with such a crime.

    The question of if any licensed healthcare providers can be charged for doing an invasive procedure is another issue entirely and I think this might be more credible. California does not want to acknowledge a precedent of letting people "operate" on the legally dead.
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    I do not twitter or tweet, but did click on the link posted for the uncle's account. His posts are disturbing, to say the least, but the most offensive and shocking thing I saw straight off was the quote at the top of his page:

    "Not interested in getting my followers up, just worried about getting them Dollars UP!"

    Side note: I have been a fan for a long time and finally got around to registering. Forgive me for any mistakes I may make as I get used to using this board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMom View Post
    I do not twitter or tweet, but did click on the link posted for the uncle's account. His posts are disturbing, to say the least, but the most offensive and shocking think I saw straight off was the quote at the top of his page:

    "Not interested in getting my followers up, just worried about getting them Dollars UP!"

    Side note: I have been a fan for a long time and finally got around to registering. Forgive me for any mistakes I may make as I get used to using this board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herat View Post
    I am no expert on this, but I think it highly unlikely that the mother would be charged with such a crime.

    The question of if any licensed healthcare providers can be charged for doing an invasive procedure is another issue entirely and I think this might be more credible. California does not want to acknowledge a precedent of letting people "operate" on the legally dead.
    Like others have said this whole case is setting precedents that are very scary. One would hope that CA would be fairly diligent as not to open up anymore doors than necessary with this case, and put their foot down where necessary to keep from ending up in such a pickle again.

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    I am so happy that she's out of CHO. Now CHO doesn't have to deal with it anymore. I donated to the hospital this morning. I have nothing but respect for the hospital and the entire staff. I could not imagine being one of the nurses having to be directly involved with this circus.

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