TX TX - Houston, on I-10, BlkFem 25-35, UP4565, turquoise ring, clothes, Sep'76

CarlK90245 · Jan 14, 2014

I did a recon for this Jane Doe a couple of years ago, but never posted it here. Today, Houston Mom asked me if I would do a recon for this Jane Doe so that she could post it on the Black & Missing site.

So I spent some time revising the one I had already done, and I figured that while I'm at it, I'll start a thread.

There are no circumstances listed, so the story behind this woman's death is pretty much unknown.

There aren't very many listed black females from 1976 and before, and I am pretty sure that we won't find her among the currently listed. But hopefully, someday this woman's family might take the step of listing her.

NamUs UP # 4565 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/4565

Unidentified Black Female

Found on September 30, 1976, in Harris County, Texas

Vital Stats

Age: 25-35
Height: 5'8" (68 inches)
Weight: 135 lbs.
Hair: Black, 7 inches long
Eye Color: Brown
Piercings: Right and Left ears x1

Clothing

* Green Long Sleeve Turtleneck Sweater Size LARGE
* Blue Checkered Flannel Shirt Size Medium
* White Pullover Sweater Size Large
* Blue Jeans Size 33x32
* Pink Panties
* Brown Shoes Size 5M

Jewelry

Earrings, Ring
* Silver Colored Earring
* 1 Ring with Turquoise Stone
* 1 Ring Without Stones

Circumstances

Unknown

Body Condition:

Recognizable face

Identifiers:

Fingerprints: Available
Dentals: Available
DNA: Not Available

annemc2 · Jan 14, 2014

Ohhh, such tiny feet! And as usual, excellent job on the recon, Carl.

I'm wondering *where* in Harris Co she was found. Frustratingly few details in this case. :banghead:

OnlineInstructor · Jan 15, 2014

She was wearing a lot of clothes for September in Texas.

Houston Mom · Jan 20, 2014

I have submitted the following girl. I think you'll agree she is a possible match. Let's see how it plays out:

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/5896/6/

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/burse_rhonda.html

annemc2 · Jan 20, 2014

Oh, Rhonda is so beautiful. I don't know, though - the dates don't match. UID found in 1976 and Rhonda missing in 1977.

But we know how these things can be messed up when the data is entered incorrectly or memories are poor, so it could work out!

killarney rose · Jan 20, 2014

My first thought was such tiny feet. I checked her height, it would be unusual for someone as tall as her to wear a size 5. Could she be wearing men's size 5? That would make her be a ladies 7ish.

Houston Mom · Jan 20, 2014

Good catch annemc2!!! And I was soooo sure.... My earlier suggestion (on another thread) was Debra Stewart who went missing in May of 1976 from Austin.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8671/29/

Love143 · Feb 9, 2014

Margie L Phillips
Sorry I cant do a side by side.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1949dffl.html

Houston Mom · Feb 9, 2014

Love143 said:
Margie L Phillips
Sorry I cant do a side by side.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1949dffl.html

Could be?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/23191/15/

honesty · Feb 10, 2014

killarney rose said:
My first thought was such tiny feet. I checked her height, it would be unusual for someone as tall as her to wear a size 5. Could she be wearing men's size 5? That would make her be a ladies 7ish.

I think the shoes very well could be a mans size 5 because her pants are stated to be 32X32, not many women's brands measure like that.

That's a lot of tops listed for her, I wonder if she was actually wearing them all or maybe they are listed because they were in her possession like in a backpack or purse.

Houston Mom · Feb 10, 2014

Love143, Here is the number to call in M. Phillips:

Agency Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences
Phone 713-796-6774

FiveFelines · Feb 10, 2014

Here's. little more info on this Doe. **postmortem at link**

A few things I noticed:

The circumstances are that she died at the hospital as the result of jumping from a moving truck
Her turtleneck is listed as blue
There is an address given for where she was found

http://www.harriscountytx.gov/CmpDocuments/21/Unidentified Decedent Fliers/1976-09-30-4492.pdf

Lyssav · Feb 26, 2014

Love143 said:
Margie L Phillips
Sorry I cant do a side by side.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1949dffl.html

I submitted your PM to Dr. D, she says she saw no consistencies.

This is a tough one. Like carlk said, there aren't many missing black women listed in 1976 or prior to 1976. I hope she has her name back someday. Poor woman, something must have truly frightened her for her to jump from a moving vehicle.

Harmony 2 · Feb 28, 2014

Carl's recon:

Jennifer Joyce Barton:

•Missing Since: May 16, 1976 from Austin, Travis County, Texas
•Classification: Endangered Missing
•Date Of Birth: May 31, 1955
•Age: 20
•Height: 5'6-5'8"
•Weight: 120-140 lbs.
•Hair Color: Light brown.
•Eye Color: Brown
•Race: Black
•Gender: Female

Note: Jennifer has a mole above her lip and the decedent does not. The noses are different. However, the decedent was wearing a white metal earring and Jennifer is wearing white metal earrings in the photo. The height and weight are similar.

http://www.nampn.org/cases/barton_jennifer.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/barton_jennifer.html

Montjoy · Feb 28, 2014

Alas, Jennifer Barton is on the rule-out list, as per NamUs.

Harmony 2 · Feb 28, 2014

Montjoy said:
Alas, Jennifer Barton is on the rule-out list, as per NamUs.

Thank you Montjoy! I didn't notice that... back to the drawing board. :seeya:

Houston Mom · Mar 21, 2014

Barbara Jolly went missing from Washington state in August of 1976. She was 5'8" and 130 lbs which is consistent with UID. She was 19. There is no picture, but dentals are available.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4935/0/

Tssiemer · Mar 22, 2014

OnlineInstructor said:
She was wearing a lot of clothes for September in Texas.

Homeless?

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Lyssav · Mar 22, 2014

Tssiemer said:
Homeless?

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Her being homeless almost makes sense to me, she was dressed in men's clothing, and sounds like her shoes were men's as well. That is a lot of clothing for this area in September, maybe she traveled from a state that was having cooler weather.

Pulled from climate spy:

In September 1976 the average high temperature in Houston, TX was 88.5°F, and this was 0.3°F warmer than the average of 88.1°F. The hottest day in September 1976 was 9 September when the temperature reached 99.0°F. Overnight the average temperature in September is 71.5°F and in 1976 the average overnight temperature was 0.3°F cooler at 71.2°F.

carbuff · Mar 22, 2014

That would be a pretty normal outfit for outdoors in New England at the end of September. Though if she had come in from New England, I woudl think she would have taken her sweater off.

It doesn't say what kind of truck she jumped from; if she was riding in the open back of a pickup, it could have been pretty cool in back even if the weather was warm.

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