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    WI - Corey Stingley, 16, dies in altercation at West Allis store, 14 Dec 2012

    Outrage grows and crowds rally over the Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm's decision not to press charges against three men who violently restrained and ultimately killed 16 yr. old Corey Stingley.

    http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-...f/-/index.html

    Corey was killed while being restrained for stealing alcohol at a West Allis convenience store. Video shows 3 men physically fighting the youth, just out of view of the camera.

    Video here...

    http://youtu.be/A1eftb3zvJY

    The medical examiner ruled Corey's death a homicide but the D.A. refuses to charge the 3 men responsible.

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwauk...240532271.html

    Corey's father has asked Federal prosecutors to investigate his son's death.

    http://fox6now.com/2014/01/15/corey-...ion-wednesday/

    Federal prosecutors have agreed to review the case....

    http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-...z/-/index.html


    Here is Corey Stingley's online obituary...

    http://www.legacy.com/guestbooks/jso....DdhtccwA.dpbs
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    Thief does not constitute murder.
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    D.A.'s decision enflames existing contention in the African American Community.

    From an article in Milwaukee JS by Eugene Kane...

    "...many see this latest death as another troubling sign of the justice system's lack of empathy for young black males."

    "The theft of liquor from the store seems to be all the usual suspects need to dismiss Stingley as a common criminal and suggest all of the people in town who showed up at community meetings and a press conference on the north side last week to respond to Chisholm's decision were either bleeding hearts or delusional.


    Some even insist it's a case of bad parenting and not telling children to take responsibility for their actions."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tulessa View Post
    Thief does not constitute murder.
    I'm not sure what this means [modsnip]. Does it mean that killing a thief is not/cannot be considered murder? So, by extension, it is legal or moral to kill anyone who commits theft? JMO, but I hope not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tulessa View Post
    Thief does not constitute murder.

    If I understand you correctly Tulessa, I agree. Being a thief does not justify homicide. (I hope that made sense.)

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    My sincere apologies. I spelled Corey Stingley's name wrong. I will edit my posts and could a mod please edit the title of this thread and the title of my post? TIA
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    Being a theif doesn't justify killing the man but being accidentally killed while he was in the commission of his crime is not criminal. Three men try to subdue a criminal and the criminal dies. Now we want them proesecuted? All events that occurred that day were set in motion by the deceased. When I first read the topic I thought "what a tragedy" but after I have read this, the tragedy is how we turn criminals into victims and victims into criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooCurious View Post
    Being a theif doesn't justify killing the man but being accidentally killed while he was in the commission of his crime is not criminal. Three men try to subdue a criminal and the criminal dies. Now we want them proesecuted? All events that occurred that day were set in motion by the deceased. When I first read the topic I thought "what a tragedy" but after I have read this, the tragedy is how we turn criminals into victims and victims into criminals.
    Shopkeepers can use a reasonable amount of force to detain a suspected shoplifter. The key here is that it has to be reasonable. Is 3 men detaining 1 teen by force reasonable? I haven't read articles yet, but my hinky meter is on alert from the headlines (just what the media likes).

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    I watched the video and it is just the saddest thing ever. Where is the attempt to reccesitate? However you spell that. LE shows up and doesn't start CRP immediately? What is that?

    And the men were not shopkeepers, they were just customers?

    Oh my Loose your life over 4 lousy beers that the shopkeeper got back. He had the whole backpack. LE would have tracked that kid down in 5 minutes.

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    I was always told never to detain a shoplifter but to call the police.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TooCurious View Post
    Being a theif doesn't justify killing the man but being accidentally killed while he was in the commission of his crime is not criminal. Three men try to subdue a criminal and the criminal dies. Now we want them proesecuted? All events that occurred that day were set in motion by the deceased. When I first read the topic I thought "what a tragedy" but after I have read this, the tragedy is how we turn criminals into victims and victims into criminals.
    Actually, using enough force to kill a person during a citizen's arrest for theft indeed can be criminal. And if that's wha happened here, they certainly should be prosecuted.

    You can't shoot a person for running out of a store with goods. Neither can you tackle and suffocate a person for such a crime.

    Now, is there a risk that something horrible like this can happen if you commit a crime? Yup. And young people need to be aware of those risks along with imprisonment and reputation, etc. but those are two different things. Just because there is a risk to the criminal of violence or death when they commit a crime does not mean citizens can kill them for theft and avoid legal ramifications themselves.

    The question here is whether the force used was reasonable and how exactly this kid died. The coroner ruled it homicide and said he was deprived of oxygen. There is such a thing as justifiable homicide but that's usually a self defense scenario. To me, suffocation is not "accidental". It takes a long time and usually, the person being suffocated will gasp they they can't breathe before losing consciousness.

    When I was a kid, several of my friends went on what we called "beer runs", dashing into stores and grabbing beers. It was theft. It wasn't cute. But none of them were killed for it. In fact, one who was actually arrested at age 17, later became a cop for the city of Anaheim! (He had to answer for the theft when he applied. He deemed it a "prank".)

    Of course most of my friends who stole beer as teens were white. Maybe that's the difference. Statistics show that black people tend to be treated differently than others by the criminal justice system and society when it comes to crimes they commit and crimes commited against them.

    Perhaps that has to do with the outcome here. I don't know.
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    I agree Gitana1. I think this is just tragic.

    It is so common for teens to steal beer (or cigs). This was so unnecessary. That they even jumped the kid after the shopkeeper had the beer back is just mind boogling. Why?

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    I think the important element in this case is that the one customer put CS in a choke hold after CS punched him in the face which makes CS the aggressor. (Above and beyond instigating the event by shoplifting alcohol.) Further, the person who put him in the choke hold only intended to restrain him, not injure him. Legally, it will be interesting to see how this case evolves.
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    I disagree. Any citizens has the right to detain and arrest a person in the process of a criminal act. If that person accidentally dies, the citizen is not at fault. If he was killed while they were in the process of detaining him (with reasonable force and he is combative) then no criminal action has taken place. If he was killed after he was subdued then that is a different matter. Every citizens has the same right as a law enforcement officer to arrest and detain a person involved in a criminal act. Below is a link to guy that was killed while being detained on an airplane. He was beating on the cockpit door, no charges filed either.

    http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=95735

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    True Gitana1 you can't shoot someone while running out of a store. That is not reasonable force. However you can physically detain someone and that force is reasonable. If he were tackled and he hit his head and died, would that be reasonable force or murder? If he had been there with a friend and both were involved in robbing the store, there would be a murder charge for sure but not on the customers! We always look for someone else to blame. The perp is dead, there isn't an accomplice, so let's charge the citizen. Crazy.

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