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    MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #7



    11-year-old Jacob Wetterling was riding bicycles with his brother and a friend in St. Joseph, Minnesota on October 22, 1989 when they were approached by an unknown man with a gun. The man let the other boys go, but grabbed Jacob and walked away with him. Jacob has never been heard from again.

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    These two photos are of transcripts of the speech given by Patrick G. Henry at the Service of Hope for Jacob on Nov. 8, 1989. This was printed in the SJU student newspaper "The Record" on Nov. 30, 1989. (link below)

    http://www.deadzoom.com/member/samiping/parablept1.jpg


    http://www.deadzoom.com/member/samiping/parablept2.jpg


    http://cdm.csbsju.edu/cdm/compoundob...d/37112/rec/15
    (pg. 6 & 10)
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    Forensic artists who have drawn their fair share of facial composites will probably confess an awkward truth about police sketches: They aren't very accurate. Hand-drawn composites by trained artists are roughly
    9 percent accurate
    in terms of producing a recognizable likeness to a suspect
    [source: Avril]. And as we mentioned previously, computer-generated composites statistically tend to be of even poorer quality than hand-drawn sketches, with around 5 percent accuracy [source: Avril].

    And it's not necessarily a question of the forensic artists' skill. The major roadblock to creating spitting images of suspects rests not in the forensic artist's hand, but the victim's or witness' memory retrieval processes. The violence, stress and trauma of being victim to a crime, as well as the time lapse between the crime and the police sketch interview only muddies recollections [source: Raeburn].

    So why spend time and resources on police sketches if they're neurologically doomed for inaccuracy? Forensic artists argue that the role of police sketches isn't to construct a perfect portrait of the perpetrator. The point of police sketches is to publicize crimes, attract leading clues and get the public looking out for suspicious persons [source: Lichtman]. That's why the artists will highlight standout features -- a tattoo, scar, facial hair -- that might jump out at passersby.
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    Vernon Seltz was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic therefore, nothing he said should be considered as the truth. Schizophrenics have severe cognitive impairment of thought processes and their emotional responses. They are impaired with what are known as positive symptoms (delusions, hallucinations, and disorganized thinking) and negative symptoms (flat emotions and little or no motivation). Twenty percent of schizophrenics are treatment resistant and over seventy percent are noncompliant with their medications.

    There's nooooo way a schizophrenic with his irrational, disorganized thinking along with delusions and hallucinations abducted Jacob, didn't leave any clues, and fooled the FBI for almost 3 decades. A cognitively impaired person didn't commit this crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensfan View Post
    Vernon Seltz was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic therefore, nothing he said should be considered as the truth. Schizophrenics have severe cognitive impairment of thought processes and their emotional responses. They are impaired with what are known as positive symptoms (delusions, hallucinations, and disorganized thinking) and negative symptoms (flat emotions and little or no motivation). Twenty percent of schizophrenics are treatment resistant and over seventy percent are noncompliant with their medications.

    There's nooooo way a schizophrenic with his irrational, disorganized thinking along with delusions and hallucinations abducted Jacob, didn't leave any clues, and fooled the FBI for almost 3 decades. A cognitively impaired person didn't commit this crime.

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    Agreed, a person like this could not have covered up a crime of this magnitude for any length of time. Jacob's kidnapper, assuming he was a local (likely), either died shortly after the abduction (unlikely) or he never spoke a word of the crime to anyone (unusual).

    In you opinion, how would you "diagnose" a person such as that? Aside from a pedo of course.

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    The physician that diagnosed Vernon Seltz would have used the current Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders of that year. Seltz would have needed to meet the criteria for schizophrenia and the subtype paranoid. Here is a link for the DSM IV (now using DSM V).
    http://www.dmacc.edu/instructors/tkw...phreniaDSM.pdf
    For subtype paranoid:
    A. Preoccupation with one or more delusions or frequent auditory hallucinations.
    B. None of the following is prominent: disorganized speech, disorganized orcatatonic behavior, or flat or inappropriate affect.

    According to articles posted on WS, Seltz told his physician many delusional stories about himself and children that NEVER disappeared. He also told Patty Wetterling that he was a psychic.

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    Listen, can you hear the sound. Laughter sounds the same the world around.

    The message of the Wetterlings. Love and hope. A better world for the children. Please

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    Please read this and spread it far and wide.

    It is the most wonderful thing i have ever read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    Listen, can you hear the sound. Laughter sounds the same the world around.
    Down in the valley, out on the plain
    Everywhere around the world a heartbeat sounds the same
    Black or white, red or tan
    It's the heart of the family of man

    Listen...can you hear the sound
    Of laughter all the world around
    High in the mountains, down by the sea
    Everywhere around the world laughter sounds the same to me


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    Interesting Tidbit

    Dan Rassier is known to his students as Mr. Be Bop.

    Red Grammer, who wrote and sang Jacob's favorite song "Listen", earned a grammy nomination for his 2006 album titled "Be Bop Your Best."

    Red Grammer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensfan View Post
    The physician that diagnosed Vernon Seltz would have used the current Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders of that year. Seltz would have needed to meet the criteria for schizophrenia and the subtype paranoid. Here is a link for the DSM IV (now using DSM V).
    http://www.dmacc.edu/instructors/tkw...phreniaDSM.pdf
    For subtype paranoid:
    A. Preoccupation with one or more delusions or frequent auditory hallucinations.
    B. None of the following is prominent: disorganized speech, disorganized orcatatonic behavior, or flat or inappropriate affect.

    According to articles posted on WS, Seltz told his physician many delusional stories about himself and children that NEVER disappeared. He also told Patty Wetterling that he was a psychic.
    What I meant was, is there a suggested diagnosis for Jacob's abduction, for the fact that he's kept it to himself all these years without telling anyone. Assuming of course, that the abductor was local.

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    Pensfan, you are spelling Vernon's last name wrong. It is Seitz and not Seltz.
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    Don't people with schizophrenia have varying degrees of symptoms? my BIL was diagnosed with it but he functioned enough to plan, carry out and escape after murdering his wife. He did get caught though.
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    Hm. More info on schizophrenia please

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