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    MI - Detroit, WhtFem UP8272, 18-20, in garbage dump, recent childbirth, Feb'87

    NamUs UP # 8272 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/8272

    http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMC/1184291/1





    Unidentified White Female

    Found February 10, 1987 at 1550 Harper Ave., Detroit (Wayne County) Michigan

    Vital Statistics

    * Age: 16 to 25
    * Height: 66" (5 feet 6 inches)
    * Weight: 114 lbs
    * Hair Color: Brown
    * Head Hair: Hair was highlighted, blonde with reddish tints, layered and tapered with a long nape, up-dated "shag" cut. A very current and trendy style in 1987. This was professionally done withing two weeks of death. (There was no discoloration at the root to indicate natural hair color.
    * Eye Description: Light brown or hazel in color
    * Scars and Marks: Episiotomy Scar- had given birth within 8 weeks to one year
    * Piercings: Earlobes are pierced once.
    * Finger and Toe Nails: Pink sparkle nail polish.
    * Other Distinctive Characteristics: Blood type O-Was a secreter. Slender build with good muscle tone
    * Prior Surgery: Episiotomy
    * Other Medical Information: Had given birth within the last two months to one year. Was lactating.

    Clothing and Accessories
    * Clothing on Body: Black bikini panties-well worn
    * Footwear:
    * Jewelry: 2 silver rings (both costume jewelry) - one with a thin band and a small roped round design; one larger with marquee cut center clear stone and surrounding round clear stones on steps. Both rings were worn on her left hand, the thin band on her pointer finger, the larger ring on her ring finger.

    Condition of Remains
    * Probable Year of Death: 1987
    * Estimated Postmortem Interval: 1 Day
    * Comments: Recognizable face

    Circumstancess
    * Comments (From NCMEC poster): An unidentified female was found deceased on February 10, 1987 on the east side of Detroit, MI along Harper Avenue. She had been deceased less than 2 days before being found. The female is between 16-25 years old. She stood approximately 5'5" tall and weighed around 114 pounds. She had hazel or light brown eyes. The female had brown hair that had recently been highlighted blonde with reddish tints. It was styled in layers and tapered with a long nape. Her earlobes were pierced once. She had good oral hygiene and dental care. Only one dental filling was seen. The female had given birth within 2 months to a year before she died. She was still lactating and had an episiotomy scar. She was found wearing two silver rings as shown above. One has a thin band and a small rope design in the middle. The second is larger with a marquee cut center clear stone in the middle with round clear stones around the sides. The facial reconstruction above was provided by the Michigan State Police and depicts what the female may have looked like in life..

    Identifiers
    * Dental: Dental information / charting is currently not available
    * DNA: Sample available - Not yet submitted
    * Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is available and entered

    Exclusions
    * : Sandra Lowe (Born 1962) (State LKA: California)
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    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ern_doris.html

    Doris Lavonne Mulhern

    Mulhern was last seen at the Stevenson Motel at in the 33300 block of Pacific Highway south in King County, Washington on March 12, 1987. She has never been heard from again. At the time of her disappearance, she was a prostitute and had a very high-risk lifestyle. She is originally from Michigan and had traveled to Washington with her boyfriend. Few details are available in her case. Authorities believe Mulhern may have been the victim of a serial killer.


    Clothing/Jewelry Description: A black leather jacket, blue jeans with the word "baby" stitched in pink thread on the back pocket, and white sneakers.

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    Sad... I wonder if she had given up her child for adoption because otherwise one would assume that a missing mother should be noticed. If it was closer to two months than a year since she gave birth she might still be lactating even if she gave her baby up early.

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    If the episiotomy was a healed scar, but she was lactating I think they are spot on with the 2 month - 1 year estimate of when she gave birth. Also mentioned is good muscle tone so I would be inclined to believe it had at least been several months. If she had given the child up for adoption, the milk would have dried up within days of giving birth.

    I'm inclined to think more of an abusive husband and somewhere there is a child that was told its mama just up and left one day.

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    So, I am wondering if this was a domestic thing? I mean, she has a nice haircut and color (which is pretty $$ unless done at home), good dental hygeine,nail polish, and is wearing a ring on her ring finger, just gave birth and no one is missing her??

    I wonder if this is one of those cases where people are told that she ran away?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ern_doris.html

    Doris Lavonne Mulhern

    Mulhern was last seen at the Stevenson Motel at in the 33300 block of Pacific Highway south in King County, Washington on March 12, 1987. She has never been heard from again. At the time of her disappearance, she was a prostitute and had a very high-risk lifestyle. She is originally from Michigan and had traveled to Washington with her boyfriend. Few details are available in her case. Authorities believe Mulhern may have been the victim of a serial killer.


    Clothing/Jewelry Description: A black leather jacket, blue jeans with the word "baby" stitched in pink thread on the back pocket, and white sneakers.

    She went missing a month after the UID was found.

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    Susan Renee Riedling has the pregnancy and general stats, but I can't explain how she would have gotten to Michigan. She probably never lived long enough to give birth.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3043dfky.html

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ing_susan.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by killarney rose View Post
    If the episiotomy was a healed scar, but she was lactating I think they are spot on with the 2 month - 1 year estimate of when she gave birth. Also mentioned is good muscle tone so I would be inclined to believe it had at least been several months. If she had given the child up for adoption, the milk would have dried up within days of giving birth.

    I'm inclined to think more of an abusive husband and somewhere there is a child that was told its mama just up and left one day.
    Actually not all women dry up that fast. I know people who six months after they stopped breastfeeding could still express a small amount of milk. Also, before six months milkproduction is not just driven by the child's suckling but also by hormones and they can make a woman produce milk despite no stimulation so I am more inclined to to say that it is closer to the two month mark IF she has been separated from her child.

    However, an abusive husband is also a possibility but what happened to the baby? A man with just a baby is going to be more visible and is going to raise questions in particular if people know he used to have a wife. Of course, he might have moved and told a sob story at the new place or killed the baby too and put it somewhere else.

    Is it a fact that she was murdered? If she was a suicide-victim I am more inclined to believe it was post-partum depression or an adoption in the mix but if it was in fact a murder then yes, the husband theory is more likely.

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    While I agree that if she had been breast feeding and then stopped, it takes longer for milk production to stop, if she had never begun after giving birth, the milk dries up rather quickly. I can say that from my own personal experiences.i doubt if she had given the baby up for adoption , had a healed episiotomy and good muscle tone, she would still be lactating. However, if she had been breast feeding and then away from the baby for a short time...days or a few weeks she could still be experience ing some milk production.

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    This is my first post on Websleuths (long time lurker, first time poster!). I thought I would get my feet wet with this one! I stumbled across this girl on Namus: Sheri Swims.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11914/0/

    I think most of her vital information matches the description of this UID. There is no mention of the surgery scar that the UID had, but that, IMO, is really the only missing piece of info. It does not appear that she has DNA in the system, but dental are available, however don't appear to be charted.

    Because I am so new at this, I apologize if I break any rules!!

    I guess I have to start somewhere! Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!

    I am so excited to be a part of this great community!!
    Last edited by kuhawks; 02-06-2014 at 11:59 AM. Reason: Add additional information


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    Quote Originally Posted by kuhawks View Post
    This is my first post on Websleuths (long time lurker, first time poster!). I thought I would get my feet wet with this one! I stumbled across this girl on Namus: Sheri Swims.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11914/0/

    I think most of her vital information matches the description of this UID. There is no mention of the surgery scar that the UID had, but that, IMO, is really the only missing piece of info. It does not appear that she has DNA in the system, but dental are available, however don't appear to be charted.

    Because I am so new at this, I apologize if I break any rules!!

    I guess I have to start somewhere! Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!

    I am so excited to be a part of this great community!!
    Welcome!

    Sheri looks good, but according to Charley Project, she had dentures. The UID is described as having good oral hygiene and dental care, with only one filling.

    Keep at it! I think you're doing great.

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    Welcome Kuhawks !

    I'm not sure if Sheri matches this UID, but she made the think of this one

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Red+bandana

    I did suggest her on that thread after reading your post.

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    I'm so tempted to suggest Amanda Fravel, despite the distance and lack of pregnancy at the time she went missing. Probably not her, but the hair, dental hygiene, and other stats are pretty close.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...el_amanda.html

    http://doenetwork.org/cases/2491dfnv.html

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    I'd like to bring this one to the table as a possible too: Hazel Klug
    It says she worked as a secretary for a law firm and had multiple rings. (maybe cleared out her jewelry-box?) She just up and disappeared.
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1100/10/
    The only issue I have with this is her eyes are listed as blue and there's telling scars and birthmarks that aren't listed on our UID. Which, I think the ME did a very thorough job..MOO So, I'd give this a 6/10 possible. Posting the pics side-by-side to see what you think. I think she bears a resemblance.

    on trying to do the sidexside it blew up the image so im just posting hazels photo
    All I can do is try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenstar View Post
    I'd like to bring this one to the table as a possible too: Hazel Klug
    It says she worked as a secretary for a law firm and had multiple rings. (maybe cleared out her jewelry-box?) She just up and disappeared.
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1100/10/
    The only issue I have with this is her eyes are listed as blue and there's telling scars and birthmarks that aren't listed on our UID. Which, I think the ME did a very thorough job..MOO So, I'd give this a 6/10 possible. Posting the pics side-by-side to see what you think. I think she bears a resemblance.

    on trying to do the sidexside it blew up the image so im just posting hazels photo
    Hazel's cousin Sandraella posts on these forums sometimes. I could swear I read something where it was confirmed that Hazel was never pregnant, but I can't find it. In any case, here is one thread that talks about Hazel in more detail:

    VA VA - Shoosmith Landfill - WhtFem (UP 6642), 20-35, w/Richmond trash, Aug'86 - Page 2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
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