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    I won't lie- Italian law confuses me. I'm reading Death in Italy now. It came in first. I'm thinking so far that if RS is smart, he will appeal separately from AK and distance himself completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger09 View Post
    I won't lie- Italian law confuses me. I'm reading Death in Italy now. It came in first. I'm thinking so far that if RS is smart, he will appeal separately from AK and distance himself completely.
    He seemed to be heading that way at this last interview. His attorneys have called to "reopen all" but of course we've no idea if that will actually be granted for him.

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    So after Nencini's motivation reports come out (by early May?) then the SCC will receive the appeals from the defense, and decide whether or not to grant them, or to uphold Nencini.

    If they do the latter, then it is final, and I guess that would be when all the extradition issues become actual. I guess we're looking at a year or possibly slightly less.

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    12:00PM (EST) Amanda Knox: Murder on Trial in Italy

    “Amanda Knox: Murder on Trial in Italy” poses the question of whether Knox (Hayden Panettiere), the Seattle honors student accused of murdering her college roommate Meredith Kercher (Amanda Fernando Stevens) in 2007 with her boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito (Paolo Romio) and acquaintance Rudy Guede (Djibril Kébé), actually committed the crime or was herself a victim. Referred to as “Foxy Knoxy” by her Italian prosecutor...

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    In terms of defense appeals, other than the comments from Nencini, on what basis do the defendants have justification for an appeal? We still don't know why Bongiorno requested that a photo of Sollecito's hands be admitted into evidence. The request was made at the beginning of the appeal, but nothing was said about it (at least nothing that was reported in the news). I'm curious whether an appeal could be made referencing that photo. For example, there was speculation that the defense would argue that his fingernails were too short to deposit DNA. I don't believe that, but is there something I'm missing? Was the request for the photo a random request?

    Sollecito has been saying that he should not be convicted because someone else is "peculiar". Could that be an appeal point? Bongiorno has already described Knox as Amelie, and she made a reference to Roger Rabbit. Is she going to argue that Knox is so odd that she was misinterpreted as a murderer and that Sollecito, by association, is painted with the same brush?

    Sollecito has also said that there is no evidence against him, and only some evidence against Knox. Will his appeal identify the evidence that stands against Knox (statements) and re-state that the evidence has nothing to do with Sollecito?

    I wonder if there will be an appeal on the basis that there was prejudice against Sollecito because they were tried together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    In terms of defense appeals, other than the comments from Nencini, on what basis do the defendants have justification for an appeal? We still don't know why Bongiorno requested that a photo of Sollecito's hands be admitted into evidence. The request was made at the beginning of the appeal, but nothing was said about it (at least nothing that was reported in the news). I'm curious whether an appeal could be made referencing that photo. For example, there was speculation that the defense would argue that his fingernails were too short to deposit DNA. I don't believe that, but is there something I'm missing? Was the request for the photo a random request?

    Sollecito has been saying that he should not be convicted because someone else is "peculiar". Could that be an appeal point? Bongiorno has already described Knox as Amelie, and she made a reference to Roger Rabbit. Is she going to argue that Knox is so odd that she was misinterpreted as a murderer and that Sollecito, by association, is painted with the same brush?

    Sollecito has also said that there is no evidence against him, and only some evidence against Knox. Will his appeal identify the evidence that stands against Knox (statements) and re-state that the evidence has nothing to do with Sollecito?

    I wonder if there will be an appeal on the basis that there was prejudice against Sollecito because they were tried together.
    I never heard about that photo request. Interesting.

    I do feel that Sollecito believes (from whatever perspective) that he was pulled into the suspicions which were really directed more at Amanda (guilt by association).

    I believe its going in that direction, yes (prejudice from being tried together - Nencini's remarks created an opening for this, and perhaps brought some resentment to a head as well). Maybe it will be argued that Sollecito dna on the bra clasp was due to Amanda being there.

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    I suspect that everything said by Sollecito today is something that is endorsed by his lawyer, and which will find it's way into the appeal. Today he claims that he was arrested because he carried a knife. However, that isn't true. His status was change from witness to suspect because he admitted that he told a lot of rubbish when he claimed that Knox was not with him on the night of the murder.

    He claims that he has never been heard. If that's the case, what has his lawyer been talking about in court for the last several years?

    "[Sollecito] told ANSA Friday he had been sidelined in the case as the ex-boyfriend of co-defendant Amanda Knox. ...

    "I have never been heard. It has always been an Amanda-centric trial. No one has ever said anything about me. Only that I was Amanda's boyfriend," ...

    "I was arrested for having a small utility knife in my pocket, which I carried around out of habit"

    http://www.gazzettadelsud.it/news/en...-centric-.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMK View Post
    I never heard about that photo request. Interesting.

    I do feel that Sollecito believes (from whatever perspective) that he was pulled into the suspicions which were really directed more at Amanda (guilt by association).

    I believe its going in that direction, yes (prejudice from being tried together - Nencini's remarks created an opening for this, and perhaps brought some resentment to a head as well). Maybe it will be argued that Sollecito dna on the bra clasp was due to Amanda being there.
    Regarding the DNA, that's certainly a possibility. The Knox in Innocent team strategy has very clearly been that Sollecito's DNA on the bra was a result of contamination. Investigators have always been blamed for this evidence. That is, the "incompetent, corrupt" investigators contaminated the evidence. The Supreme Court responded with the question of: "How did that contamination occur?", to which there was no answer.

    It would be quite reasonable to suggest that Knox, who obviously had close contact with Sollecito, could have deposited it there. If tertiary transfer is possible through investigators, why wouldn't secondary transfer be possible through Knox? Bongiorno has wanted to implicate Knox to save Sollecito for years, and the only barrier was Sollecito's loyalty to Knox. I think that loyalty is gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    Regarding the DNA, that's certainly a possibility. The Knox in Innocent team strategy has very clearly been that Sollecito's DNA on the bra was a result of contamination. Investigators have always been blamed for this evidence. That is, the "incompetent, corrupt" investigators contaminated the evidence. The Supreme Court responded with the question of: "How did that contamination occur?", to which there was no answer.

    It would be quite reasonable to suggest that Knox, who obviously had close contact with Sollecito, could have deposited it there. If tertiary transfer is possible through investigators, why wouldn't secondary transfer be possible through Knox? Bongiorno has wanted to implicate Knox to save Sollecito for years, and the only barrier was Sollecito's loyalty to Knox. I think that loyalty is gone.
    I believe that loyalty is gone now, as well. So do you think it's possible that Sollecito may have his conviction overturned while Knox's stands?

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    Perhaps a secondary source, but I trust its primary source, and I have wondered about the same plans re Sollecito:

    Amanda Knox: Will Raffaele Sollecito incriminate ex-girlfriend?

    Ever since presiding Judge Alessandro Nemecini said in an interview with Corriera Della Sera that Raffaele Sollecito could have helped himself had he testified in the Amanda Knox trial, rumors have been floating around Florence that it may only be a matter of time before her former boyfriend decides to co-operate with authorities in return for a better deal or even immunity for himself. Corriera Della Sera is a Milan newspaper with a daily circulation of over 800,000 and more than a million followers on the Internet.

    Sollecito, still young at 29, is facing a daunting 25 years in prison, if the Court of Cassation (Italy's Supreme Court) upholds his recent sentence issued by Nemecini. Will the hint dropped by his presiding judge cause him to re-consider his position? After all, he did say during an HLN interview that, "No, I don't still love her."

    He further characterized his connection with her as "one week in a dreamy relationship. My previous life is gone."

    Several Italian observers speculated that during his recent CNN interview he was moving in the direction of implicating her when he said that he never would have been convicted if it weren't for Amanda. He also said there was no evidence against him other than that he was connected to Knox.
    http://www.examiner.com/article/aman...-ex-girlfriend


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    Quote Originally Posted by SMK View Post
    I believe that loyalty is gone now, as well. So do you think it's possible that Sollecito may have his conviction overturned while Knox's stands?
    I very much doubt that it is an option without firing his lawyers. Sollecito could try to make the argument that he was encouraged by his lawyers and Knox's lawyers to not testify on the grounds that they feared he would contradict Knox's testimony. He might be able to claim that he felt obligated to remain silent to support Knox, which he can now describe as a misguided, immature notion inspired by misplaced love. He has said that she is not the same person that he knew for two weeks in 2007. He describes his experience with her as "Alice in Wonderland". He can claim that he kept that vision of her in his mind for seven years, but that he now sees he was young, foolish and out of step with reality.

    I don't think that firing his lawyers is an option at this late stage of the process, so he would have to carefully navigate around a claim that his lawyers advised him well - perhaps claiming that they advised him to testify, but that his loyalty to his illusion of Knox from 2007 prevented him from following their advice. He could describe the pressures he felt from Knox, her lawyers, her family, her friends, her US influences and the media to do what they wanted, to the extent that he did not protect his own interests. He might argue that now he sees things clearly and would like an opportunity to defend himself alone.

    The DNA on the bra clasp can still fall into the contamination argument, but Knox is the source of the contamination. This is in fact the most logical explanation if contamination is to be accepted as a legitimate argument. The print on the bathmat has already been argued, by his experts, that it is not a clear print due to the bath mat material. He can explain the lies in the context of misguided loyalty to Knox, that each time he learned of evidence implicating her, he attempted to protect her. He can revert to the statement he gave to police on November 5 that he doesn't know if Knox went out that night, but she asked him to lie on her behalf. Regarding the knife, he can claim that she put the knife in his drawer after the murder to ensure that he wouldn't miss it ... and the evidence supports that although it was his knife, it was so well cleaned that there is no trace of him on the knife. In fact, the only evidence on the knife relates to Knox (prints, DNA) and Meredith (DNA).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMK View Post
    Perhaps a secondary source, but I trust its primary source, and I have wondered about the same plans re Sollecito:

    "Amanda Knox: Will Raffaele Sollecito incriminate ex-girlfriend?

    Ever since presiding Judge Alessandro Nemecini said in an interview with Corriera Della Sera that Raffaele Sollecito could have helped himself had he testified in the Amanda Knox trial, rumors have been floating around Florence that it may only be a matter of time before her former boyfriend decides to co-operate with authorities in return for a better deal or even immunity for himself. Corriera Della Sera is a Milan newspaper with a daily circulation of over 800,000 and more than a million followers on the Internet.

    Sollecito, still young at 29, is facing a daunting 25 years in prison, if the Court of Cassation (Italy's Supreme Court) upholds his recent sentence issued by Nemecini. Will the hint dropped by his presiding judge cause him to re-consider his position? After all, he did say during an HLN interview that, "No, I don't still love her."

    He further characterized his connection with her as "one week in a dreamy relationship. My previous life is gone."

    Several Italian observers speculated that during his recent CNN interview he was moving in the direction of implicating her when he said that he never would have been convicted if it weren't for Amanda. He also said there was no evidence against him other than that he was connected to Knox."

    http://www.examiner.com/article/aman...-ex-girlfriend
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    I think this statement is based on Nencini's remark that if Knox had gone to work that night, the murder would not have happened. Sollecito is going to build on this. Knox did not go to work, and she hatched a plan. He'll argue that he is only guilty by association.

    Simultaneously turning off their phones might be explained as an odd request from a "peculiar" woman. I don't remember the specifics anymore, but I do remember something about Knox asking men to play a game of making faces at each other when they were in bed. Perhaps their whirlwind relationship involved a number of little games. Sollecito was very inexperienced with women (one previous girlfriend), and certainly inexperienced with an American woman that moved into his apartment after seeing her at a classical music concert. Perhaps Knox asked Sollecito to play a little game of being out of touch with each other by turning off their phones while they were away from each other for a few hours on the evening of Nov 2. He might say that he complied with her unusual request, that he watched his Naruto anime, got more stoned and went to sleep ... that he doesn't remember anything until 5:32AM when he woke up, listened to some music, turned on his phone and so on. I think that if he had argued this from the beginning, he might not be facing 25 years in prison.

    I wonder if Sollecito could squeeze another Ł600,000 out of a publisher for a book titled: Not Another Load of Rubbish.

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    The book image is fantastic!

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    The book image is fantastic!
    thnx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger09 View Post
    I won't lie- Italian law confuses me. I'm reading Death in Italy now. It came in first. I'm thinking so far that if RS is smart, he will appeal separately from AK and distance himself completely.
    He should have done this from the beginning. Any defense lawyer should have told him to do this. IMO, that wasn't his strategy because HE chose the strategy, choosing to go against what his lawyers advised him. I have no knowledge whatsoever of law, and even I can tell that his best strategy was to separate from Amanda (less evidence on him). So IMO, whatever he did was a/g what his lawyers advised him.

    JMO.
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